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April 30, 2024 in Uncategorized | by Eric Kirk

Trump held in contempt and fined $1000 for each of nine violations of the Court order and threatened with jail if he continues to violate it.

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April 30, 2024 at 10:10 am

Just Trollin

Chump change. Probably worth another bump in the polls….

April 30, 2024 at 10:19 am

Eric Kirk

It’s not about the money. And yes, it will generate anger among the brainwashed. But there will come a point where he spends a night in jail.

April 30, 2024 at 10:28 am

Eric Kirk

Trump did take the nine posts down by the way.

April 30, 2024 at 10:44 am

Just Trollin

Hope you’re right vang. A night in jail should give him a HUGE bump in the polls……

April 30, 2024 at 11:31 am

Eric Kirk

That would be sad commentary on the nation. Do you really think voters are that stupid?

April 30, 2024 at 11:57 am

Just Trollin

No vang. I think voters are intelligent enough to know a witch hunt when they see one.

April 30, 2024 at 12:07 pm

Just Trollin

A night in jail would probably make him un-catchable……

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4630438-trump-leads-biden-major-battleground-emerson-hill-polls/amp/

April 30, 2024 at 12:34 pm

Mitch

Do you really think voters are that stupid?

I didn’t. I do now.

April 30, 2024 at 1:12 pm

Henchman Of Justice

Judge to Trump lawyers: show the attacks in writing you argue as the reason Trump took action…

Trump lawyers: “We Got Nut N’ Honey”…

Anybody who votes for prez is INSANE!

April 30, 2024 at 2:06 pm

Jon Yalcinkaya

Not that I’d ever vote for Trump, and I know there are those here who would say otherwise, but I’m not brainwashed or gaslit, but this whole trial in an election year is a bad idea.

I’m all for having accountability for white collar crimes, but I don’t think anyone could or would argue that if this wasn’t Trump he wouldn’t be on trial right now.

I want my political team to be better than the opposition and stand for principles, including the very thing we are trying to protect and as such we should be asking the prosecution to delay the trial.

I know that ship has sailed but I don’t think voters who are otherwise on a fence voting for Trump are stupid, in fact I think they see something we as Democrats don’t.

April 30, 2024 at 2:11 pm

Jon Yalcinkaya

Republicans are all about grievance, despite their power & standing in society (sound familiar btw?), all of those pictures of Trump sitting in court humanize the man and I do believe the election year trial probably helps Trump more than not. I might be wrong and I don’t know how you can prove this other than by watching variations in polls and even then I wouldn’t say that is proof, but boy-howdy do Republicans know how to white/conservative grievance this all the way to the election.

April 30, 2024 at 3:30 pm

Eric Kirk

Yeah, I mean throw him in jail. If the country is so far gone that we elect someone because he is lawless, then we deserve what we get. We just preserve what we can and hope the country survives until the next generation. In the meantime, the judge should just follow the law and send the f—er to jail every time.

We are in the Germany circa 1933 moment when voters decide whether they hate Social Democrats more than fascism.

April 30, 2024 at 4:34 pm

Anonymous

Jon of course opposed impeachment on the grouds that it was a political approach to what he said at the time were criminal acts that should be dealt with by the courts, and now says the courts shouldn’t deal with it because of politics — which just happens to be the exact same contradictory position taken by Republicans.

But no, he’s not gaslit or brainwashed at all, he just happens to think the exact same things they do at the exact same times, and just happened to change his mind in the exact same way and at the same time and reached the same conclusion, which just happens to be the exact same “it’s a witch hunt” talking point.

As I’ve said before, if Republicans could create the perfect Democrat in a laboratory to suit their purposes, their creation would be indistinguishable from Jon. He is the perfect Democrat, for Republicans — and the perfect socialist, for fascists.

April 30, 2024 at 4:36 pm

Jon Yalcinkaya

Put in jail for what? How does that crime compare, in terms of a free and fair democracy, to jailing the nominee of the opposing party of the prosecution in an election year?

April 30, 2024 at 4:38 pm

Henchman Of Justice

Purely based upon this fact alone about Trump social posts (9 of them)… Trump claimed he was attacked, so he created these 9 online replies, responses…

we have the 9 replies, responses, but what we do not have is the 9 comments that apparently attacked Trump…

Trump reads like Mr. Red Riding N’ Da Hood…

April 30, 2024 at 4:51 pm

Anonymous

Put in jail for what?

Try to follow along. Trump continues trying to intimidate witnesses, in violation of the judge’s explicit orders. He’s been found in contempt of court (the subject of this post) and fined, but the judge is not allowed to fine him more than $1,000 per incident, which clearly is no impediment to Trump continuing to flaunt the rule against attacking witnesses. The only remaining penalty is jail, and the judge has rightly warned Trump that if he continues he could be jailed.

Anyone else consistently and repeatedly flaunting the rules would almost certainly already have spent at least a night in jail. contrary to the notion that Trump is being singled out for especially harsh treatment, he’s in fact been treated with kid gloves.

Being a candidate for election isn’t, or at least shouldn’t be, a get-out-of-jail-free card.

As far as “jailing the nominee of the opposing party of the prosecution” that’s more gaslit nonsense. The prosecution isn’t a partisan entity, and there isn’t a scrap of evidence that either Biden administration or the Biden campaign has tried to influence then prosecution or judge in any way. This is just yet another example of buying into the totally bad-faith, fact-free narrative of “Biden prosecuting Trump.”

But naturally, the Perfect Democrat For Republicans mindlessly regurgitates their talking points, consistently and reliably.

May 1, 2024 at 4:04 am

Jon Yalcinkaya

But naturally, the Perfect Democrat For Republicans mindlessly regurgitates their talking points, consistently and reliably.

So what is the difference when I regurgitate Republican talking points vs when you do? (Such as posting the agent provocateur yesterday which led the Glenn Beck show.)

Where is the difference? Is it that you don’t do so mindlessly? That you don’t do so consistently and reliably? That you aren’t being gaslit? Or is it possibly that you just happen to agree with Republicans and AIPAC that Zionism is a positive political agenda for the world in both theory and act?

May 1, 2024 at 4:31 am

Just Trollin

TDS and the Witch hunt mentality are alive and well in this little chatroom. Very entertaining…..

May 1, 2024 at 5:06 am

Jon Yalcinkaya

If this was happening during a Trump presidency CNN and MSNBC (and SoHum Parlance) would be insisting that we’re living in a fascist dictatorship. {Video of SIUE history professor Steve Tamarai being brutalized by police for filming the arrests in close proximity to the police}

https://x.com/tyler_a_harper/status/1785449222738682177

Horrifying. Has everyone lost the plot? So little attention either to the actual war in Gaza or all this? Some students being foolish seems minor compared to a nationwide crackdown on protest—in red states but not just. What rights will people miss under a Trump presidency? (same video clip as the tweet above)

https://x.com/zeynep/status/1785467052133630327

Vote for Biden of course because Democrats > Republicans, but even if Trump wins, we will survive.

May 1, 2024 at 5:09 am

Jon Yalcinkaya

And speaking of if we are already living under what we’d call fascism under a Democrat, here is an amazing infographic of the change in miles to an abortion clinic in a majority of the former Confederate states from 2021 to today.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/01/upshot/florida-abortion-ban.html

May 1, 2024 at 5:25 am

Jon Yalcinkaya

Being a candidate for election isn’t, or at least shouldn’t be, a get-out-of-jail-free card.

Not saying that, but in this extra ordinary circumstance someone in the process should be saying justice should be meted out after the election and perhaps after Trumps 2nd term.

The prosecution isn’t a partisan entity, and there isn’t a scrap of evidence that either Biden administration or the Biden campaign has tried to influence then prosecution or judge in any way.

Not Biden, Democrats, NY is Democratic, the jury is likely to be majority Democratic, the DA is Alvin Bragg, a Democrat elected in June & November 2021, the height of the resistance. If you are saying that somehow partisanship is removed from the prosecution of this individual for this crime, that another person would be facing the same prosecution if he were not Donald Trump; well then I’d question your sincerity or grasp of reality.

May 1, 2024 at 7:29 am

Anonymous

“And speaking of if we are already living under what we’d call fascism under a Democrat, here is an amazing infographic of the change in miles to an abortion clinic in a majority of the former Confederate states from 2021 to today.”

Yes, it was terrible when Joe Biden appointed all those Supreme Court Justices who overturned Roe v Wade — a completely logical thing to blame on Democrats!

May 1, 2024 at 7:49 am

Anonymous

“in this extra ordinary circumstance someone in the process should be saying justice should be meted out after the election and perhaps after Trumps 2nd term.”

Sure, I mean there’s only about a 99.999999% chance that if Trump wins he will order the Justice Department to dismiss all charges against him. Great plan!

Or we could just continue to follow the law and treat Trump like anyone else who has been indicted on numerous felony counts, given that there is no law or legal precedent that says that a former elected official can get their prosecution suspended, just by running in another election.

Of course lots of corrupt politicians would no doubt find a new precedent like that very useful indeed…George Santos and Bob Menendez spring to mind, for example.

May 1, 2024 at 8:13 am

Anonymous

“Such as posting the agent provocateur yesterday.”

Great, another New Rule for Jews:

Don’t you dare object to being forcibly excluded from campus for committing the heinous offense of Walking While Jewish, because doing so makes you an “agent provocateur.” (Not to mention a presumed “Zionist infiltrator” and “Zionist agitator,” to quote your fellow moral degenerate in his various attempts to justify these displays of blatant anti-Semitic discrimination.)

Yes, he confronted them on purpose in order to draw attention to the fact that he and other Jewish students were being discriminated against. That’s called standing up for your civil rights against bigots who are denying you them.

They had the option of not acting like blatantly anti-Semitic a-holes, they chose wrong. That’s on them, not him. The same goes for the female Star-of-David wearer who was confronted by the anti-Semitic mob of cultish chanters at Columbia, led by the “Zionists don’t deserve to live” guy.

The people doing the real “provoking” in both of those cases are the bigots engaged in denying others their civil rights, not those who dare assert their civil rights.

May 1, 2024 at 8:16 am

Jon Yalcinkaya

a completely logical thing to blame on Democrats!

I didn’t blame Democrats, that is something you might call a lie PA. I explicitly said I’ll vote for Democrats, what I am pointing out is that we live in a fascistic-leaning nation right now under a Democratic President (as I presume would be defined by those who would like us to be afraid of it) and even if we lose in November, we will live through it as we live through authoritarian crackdowns on protestors and miles upon miles upon miles of abortion clinic deserts.

For myself, I’m always voting against Republicans, what I’d like Democrats to focus on is what it means to vote FOR Democrats and for myself one of the things is to be an unimpeachably GOOD governing party, especially when it comes to democracy and I think more of us should be speaking out against an election-year prosecution of a nominee for the opposition.

May 1, 2024 at 8:24 am

Jon Yalcinkaya

Of course lots of corrupt politicians would no doubt find a new precedent like that very useful indeed…George Santos and Bob Menendez spring to mind, for example.

There is a difference between George Santos and Bob Menendez, many in their parties led, or are leading the way to their prosecution and didn’t nominate them as their opposition in the upcoming presidential election.

You didn’t answer the root cause of the prosecution which is payment as hush money to a porn star, which I’m guessing is a drop in the bucket of white collar crimes caught and prosecuted in NYC. If there were more regular prosecutions like this, or if there wasn’t a direct correlation to the 2016 election & campaign laws then, yeah, I’d agree, as we all do with Bob & George, prosecute away. And btw, I’m not saying don’t prosecute, just wait.

Imo, that is what we’d do as a party dedicated to small d democracy, it would be the right thing to do because running for President after being nominated > lying about what you were using a slush fund for in an election you won 7 years ago.

May 1, 2024 at 8:27 am

Anonymous

I’m pretty sure if these incidents involved black students being excluded from campus by groups of white students, or Muslim students being excluded by groups of Jews, Jon wouldn’t be labeling the victim of the discrimination an “agent provocateur” simply because the stood up for themselves and exposed the bigots for their bigotry.

But moral degeneracy does provide a remarkable amount of flexibility in these matters, so through the mystical properties of Sometimes Justified Anti-Semitism, the victim of discrimination can be magically transformed into the instigator.

May 1, 2024 at 9:30 am

Anonymous

So again, your argument for de-politicizing prosecutions is that explicitly political factors, rather than legal ones, should determine the outcome. This is some industrial strength irony, but of course you’re way too high on your own supply to detect it.

I’m not saying don’t prosecute, just wait.

So you’re not saying don’t prosecute, you’re just saying wait and see if he wins so that he can’t be prosecuted, and then don’t prosecute. But if he loses, then he can be prosecuted.

Once again, making the question of when and whether someone one can be prosecuted dependent on political factors, in this case whether they choose to run for office, and whether they win.

“the root cause of the prosecution which is payment as hush money to a porn star, which I’m guessing is a drop in the bucket of white collar crimes caught and prosecuted in NYC.“

But also your ad-hoc rules for overruling legal processes based on political considerations only applies to cases where you personally don’t care about the charges. But if you did care, then they could be prosecuted now.

“if there wasn’t a direct correlation to the 2016 election & campaign laws then, yeah, I’d agree, as we all do with Bob & George, prosecute away.”

And the coup de grace of absurdity, no prosecuting candidates for election law violations, until they get a chance to get elected again.

Once again, every position taken represents that of the absolutely perfect Democrat…for Republicans. And especially for corrupt ones — plus as a bonus, great for corrupt Democrats too!

May 2, 2024 at 7:36 am

Jon Yalcinkaya

Here is my POV. As always my argument is that as a Democrat I think Democrats should do better. Just like in ethics & politics & public service you are taught that that perception counts too, not just deed, Democrats should be arguing that despite our partisan interests, especially with this case and it’s purient roots and it’s lackluster legal importance as a legal matter, especially compared to Trumps other 2 trials regarding Jan 6th & the 2020 election, be arguing that the DA or the judge delay prosecution. In short, in this case democracy > this particular legal matter.

Contrast this to the obvious political drive to jail Trump for anything because we, as Democrats rightfully know he is corrupt. Just like prosecuting a crime boss for tax evasion, we want the guy a) to be hurt politically so that we are doing everything in our power to stop him from wielding power and b) to be held accountable.

Here are my assumptions: a) prosecutors are able to prosecute some small minority of all crime, all corruption. b) prosecutors have discretion as to which crimes they will pursue based on the evidence they have, the severity of the crime, and their limited resources. I’m simply saying that Democrats should be adding one more to the discretion list but you and I know that would never happen due to who this is and partisanship.

Clearly, this ship has sailed, but if JW is right and if this prosecution, and Trump’s public outrage and outbursts that might result in jail time, only helps Trump in the polls, then I don’t think it’s because voters are stupid as it’s so easy for us to say. I think they have a point and if you, PA, step back from your “OMG you are enabling corruption” takes you can see that too. My guess is you do see that point of view but it doesn’t do you any good to acknowledge it exists.

May 2, 2024 at 7:54 am

Jon Yalcinkaya

If you are willing to engage in hypotheticals, imagine this exact law were on the books in Texas and Trump filed his mis-reports of spending on the hush-money payments there. (I’m guessing that in TX, the hush-money payments themselves would have been illegal.)

a) Would the Republican prosecutor have brought the mis-report to court?

b) If he or she did, would a TX jury be more or less likely to convict?

My point is that you argument is based on the idea that legal and court matters are completely separate from political concerns. We’d like to believe that, but both the laws and the application of those laws depend on the values and politics of that jurisdication’s people.

I contend in this extraordinary case, the people & voters of NY should be doing the Trump supporters a solid, not because we are weak or gaslit or corrupt but because in this case a national election trumps this particular court case.

Again, too late and this argument is moot except to make the point that I get why people on the fence would see the hypocrisy of having Trump stand trial in May of a Presidential election year. The GOP manufactured grievance machine will take every advantage of this, and rightfully so in this case, even if the partisans on our side can’t or won’t admit it and instead default to (paraphrasing) “these deplorables are so stupid!”.

May 2, 2024 at 8:02 am

Just Trollin

The democrat party has turned Trump into a martyr. On behalf of Republicans everywhere……we thank you…..

May 2, 2024 at 8:15 am

Jon Yalcinkaya

We’ll see what Jack Smith does if given the option to begin his trial in Sept or Oct. Hopefully he, or the Judge or whomever will be making the decision once SCOTUS makes a decision, is a better man than James Comey was.

May 2, 2024 at 8:24 am

Anonymous

Jon, all you’re doing is repeating the same totally baseless, completely evidence-free claims that the prosecution is making decisions based on partisan politics, while at the same time arguing that they should be delaying their prosecutions — for political reasons. It’s the same contradictory and actually partisan-motivated baloney being pushed by Republicans, as represented here by the generic GOP troll. Congrats on greasing the wheels of the GOP manufactured grievance machine and serving, as always, as the perfect, most easily gaslit Democrat that Republicans could possibly dream of.

May 2, 2024 at 8:52 am

Jon Yalcinkaya

Can you answer the question PA, what would happen to Trump in TX?

And regarding partisanship, perhaps you don’t see your own or your own bias. I saw all I needed to know about what type of media sources you consume when I saw the tabloid heading of “Trump’s Pecker Problem” * when clicking on one of your Meidas Touch links. For many or most Democrats, this isn’t about Trump’s business records mis-report, this is about consuming feel-good reporting or media about a corrupt man. And there is no doubt in my mind he is corrupt, I could tell that in the 1980’s, but how convenient that it’s in 2024 that he is on trial.

Go ahead and call me gaslit or a stooge and all the people who might slide toward Trump based on what they, like me, see as bad-faith arguments about law & order. On this one I agree with what you all can only describe as stupid or hopelessly partisan. I want us to be better and understand when we have responsibilities that are greater than partisanship and more often that not, that has to do with the very thing we accuse Trump of threatening, small “d” democracy.

And in a way I AM making a partisan argument, but not as you would contend, for the GOP. I think if we would be the adults in the room we would win more elections in 2024 & beyond.

*https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trumps-pecker-problems-persist

May 2, 2024 at 9:02 am

Just Trollin

Wait a minute. You sayin that PAC is interested in Trump’s pecker ??

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