Southern Humboldt Community Park is a Thing!

March 28, 2017 in Uncategorized | by Eric Kirk

Unanimous approval!

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Addendum: LoCo report.

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March 28, 2017 at 5:37 pm

Anonymous

Yay! Congratulations, Eric!

March 28, 2017 at 6:15 pm

Henchman Of Justice

A project that speculates future subdivision of land to strip and clear sites for mcmansions in order to pay for the park costs.

No guarantee water is available for future spec needs.

Existing homeowners no longer enjoy peace and quiet as loud music venues and other events are acceptible to only the people who don’t live near the proposed park.

New codified land use overlay definitions invented by staff specifically to rubber stamp this project, a park……which is more impact to the land than a commercial project…….as well as a touchy, feely agenda project……..anything “park” or “trail” is just slimeball politics passed off as eco groovy acceptible development even though it is the worst kind of development of prime resource lands……..regardless of what “bartering” details were passed off as faux fact.

The irony in creating all these parks and trails by converting near virgin to Virgin Forest land into human uses which is by far a very hypocritical action to say the least because the best conservation of land, protection of prime resource lands…….. is to not allow humans enter whatsoever which truly defines virgin, untouched, wildland, etc…

Park = A thing, surely, but what adjective goes before “thing” has yet to be discovered.

This was not a unanimous consensus decision because the OC denied the “housing/land sale development aspect, service supplies are also in question.

SoHo will no doubt benefit overall only if 3rd Party services are never a problem, but certain aspects of this project are overly lofty with subpar expectations of future results that cant be datafied because information has to be created by park users in a trial and error structured process.

Good Luck and condolences to property owners disturbed by noises that should never be……..some may be forced to move away……..which is a shame because owners who lived there first before all the land use changes occured to allow for a park were never informed by discosure any intention that land would get converted later which would be abusive to those who were first in line in life to live peacefully where now a noisy park is being zoned for…… Government has a long list of what they want years and years and years, decades before they make these land-use changes…… and yet they don’t let the public in on it because it usually involves land of another private property owner that the Insiders and government collude over time in order to make something work outside of the longer term Eagle Eye of the General Public as Discovery would reveal it in a shorter time period.

March 28, 2017 at 6:41 pm

Eric Kirk

A project that speculates future subdivision of land to strip and clear sites for mcmansions in order to pay for the park costs.

Huh? I think you’re confusing our plan with something else. No residences will be built on the park except perhaps for agricultural workers, but we didn’t need that in the rezone as it comes with ag zoning. I don’t know who you’re listening to.

No guarantee water is available for future spec needs.

No guarantee of that anywhere, but we’ve got it reasonably well covered. Read the EIR.

Existing homeowners no longer enjoy peace and quiet as loud music venues and other events are acceptible to only the people who don’t live near the proposed park.

If you read the report you will know that the mitigations to be applied will ensure that the sound coming from the park will be well within legal decibel limits appropriate for the location. Events will take place seven times a year max, and neighbors will be much more likely to be disturbed by a closer neighbor’s radio than one of our events. Or the gravel operation. Or the freeway. Or the airport. If the neighbors wanted absolute silence, they should have moved much farther away from a population center. As it happens, the majority of them are supportive. Only one neighbor showed up today or at the Planning Commission to complain about the potential noise from events.

I don’t know what that means exactly, and I don’t know what you mean by “staff.” Our engineers proposed the overlay and yes it will allow for public trails on ag zoned land. As for “prime resource lands” we have facilitated more agriculture in 17 years than has occurred on the land in the previous 150. None of the prime soil land is being taken out of ag use. Where the ball fields will be is of low soil value, which is one of the reasons one of our primary critics suggested its location. Once the wetlands report came in regarding our original planned location, rather than introduce negative mitigation measures, we simply moved the ball fields to a location the Army Corps of Engineers determined to be of minimal wetlands concern.

I don’t know what you mean by “virgin,” but no, this was never intended to e a nature preserve. It’s bisected by a highway, located next to a township, a gravel operation, and an airport, and has served as a cattle ranch for decades. If you want a nature preserve I suggest you raise money for the purchase of land for such a purpose. In fact, it’s been done. But while we intend to construct the park with nature preservation as a premium goal, this property is a community resource and will be used to meet community needs.

“This was not a unanimous consensus decision because the OC denied the “housing/land sale development aspect, service supplies are also in question.

I don’t know what that means. We had five of five Board member votes. There is no “housing/land sale development aspect.” I don’t know what you mean by “service supplies.”

March 28, 2017 at 6:49 pm

Guest (Mitch)

Congratulations!

March 28, 2017 at 8:11 pm

David Kirby

There isn’t anything “virgin” about the site. It was a ranch for many years. With the exception of a strip between the river and the raised berm the majority of the flat is leached out soil that barely supports scrub. Describing a process that took over a decade and an EIR as being “rubber stamped” shows a serious lack of knowledge as to what the process entailed.

March 28, 2017 at 10:08 pm

Eric Kirk

With all the hoops we had to jump through, you would think we were trying to set up a chemical waste site. The overkill on some details is ridiculous, and I really think the process needs some reform. How is it that we were forced to analyze alternatives which weren’t alternatives at all, and yet CalTrans only had to analyze their proposal and no change – two options – for their proposal re Richardson Grove? I guess it helps when the agency gets to decide the process for its own project.

Anyway, it’s all over but the paperwork. Time for the fun stuff!

March 29, 2017 at 9:39 am

Dude

Holy shit, HOJ is the most annoying poster EVER

March 29, 2017 at 9:52 am

Henchman Of Justice

DK, never wrote that site was virgin, but was explaining the type of culture associated with developing parks and trails…..and, you did read the part about how this project “is supposed to be innovative”……rubber stamped DK means something was/is already a go before it was a go, and it doesn’t matter if it takes 1 year, 5 years, 10 years or a 100 years, it’s all about finagling a preferred insider project to work out, and like most proposals which don’t match up with reality later, government hardly steps in to take care of what it was that they created in the first place that was wrong to begin with because they knew they were never going to do what they proposed in full, except try to massage a flawed project over a little bit, painted up like a piece of art…… and because you mentioned, it is true that the park will be taking away some working agricultural land that has been used and some of it yes is going to be retained but that was never a gripe and you know that because you can’t point it out, but run off the rail with your train tootin’.

Btw, the main reason that the Park was approved and is popular with 30 people is because of two things: one, the ballparks and two, future subdivision rights to sell off buildable land to fund the park costs…….wow, how easy to swing that deal by combining rec with housing development by first building the centralized park, then selling off 50+/- lots (units???? to other regional folks) around the park perimeters at a later date to pay for the completed park costs…….reads like a golf course style development for shiny new mcmansions or an on-site slave laborers dream of an ag land picker’s facility….but the differences are that these new owners will easily accept all the noise created by the park operations; whereas, all the existing owners that live there NOW (before the park is created) will be the ones who suffer as they have no choice but to sell and go away ……. So yet again, local insiders make people NOW suffer while offering future people property/land/lots for sale to the more wealthyesque wannabees in a golf course style development…….

Disclaimer: witness to several comments that support the project only because of the ballfields and also comments that no economic benefit is gained until the 50+ lots/units are sold off ( maybe because sports and concerts, although making a profit is debateable, do create mega costs).

“The large crowd inside supervisors’ chambers erupted in cheers and applause this afternoon after the Board of Supervisors unanimously approved a major development project for the Southern Humboldt Community Park.

A stream of 30 public speakers had taken turns at the lectern addressing the board, with the majority expressing strong support for the park development project. The board agreed to certify the project’s environmental impact report and allow zoning and land use changes that will clear the way for an ambitious set of improvements to the park including festival event stages, a dog park, a skatepark and a sports complex with baseball diamonds and a football/soccer field.”

Response: 30 – (opposers) = ??? ……..that ain’t a large crowd…, but a list of 600 petitioners against loud noises, what the heck is that about, that is HUGE! Yes, minority rights win again, hoot hoot…….developers are minorities too, and now EK supports every development in Humboldt County because developers are minorities……oh wait, only if it is a park or trails…….oops…….with 50+ lots / units…….oh, that BORDER A PARK OR TRAILS……… THE SMELL OF THAT INSIDERISM IN LOCAL POLITICS IS PUNGENT.

[Eric Kirk wrote: A project that speculates future subdivision of land to strip and clear sites for mcmansions in order to pay for the park costs.

Response: EK must not be reading the same information, BUT UNITS ARE RESIDENCES (exact locations to be debated)….. And if units are to be built within the park commons, then that is an argument on behalf of the 600 who signed the petition that the noise is going to be abusive to them because constructing units in the park is to create more noise, not less (concerts or not)……. to create more opportunities for crime, not less……..more impacts not less…… HOJ did not see anything in the EIR that remotely discussed or analyzed what law enforcement’s role in this park is to be… Not with regard to the 50-plus lots/units, nor the costs associated with providing law enforcement including the hiring of additional deputies…….. But then again maybe the local tax tax tax directive on sales transactions is enough that we’ll go ahead and hire a few new deputies……

“The board also approved a program that will allow the nonprofit group managing the park to sell development rights for as many as 54 units to other regional property owners, thereby generating revenue to help manage the park property. The county planning commission had recommended against approval of the Transfer of Development Rights (TDR) program, arguing that the plan was too speculative.”

[EK wrote: No guarantee water is available for future spec needs.

No guarantee of that anywhere, but we’ve got it reasonably well covered. Read the EIR.]

Response: Jenny Short, speaking on behalf of the Garberville Sanitary District, said her agency supports the project but has concerns about the park’s water supply and wastewater disposal. She noted that the State Water Resources Control Board’s Division of Drinking Water called for an entirely new water system to supply irrigation to the park. “We’re totally opposed to setting that up,” Short said. However, she added that the local agency is willing to do what it can to move the project forward.

* Not reasonably well covered EK, but a pipedream visionary Estelle Fennel totally in lock step design with your future unknown incapacities…..

[EK wrote: Existing homeowners no longer enjoy peace and quiet as loud music venues and other events are acceptible to only the people who don’t live near the proposed park.

Response: EK, the gravel operations don’t operate at night, the hay operation does not operate at night, the freeway is As Dead As a doorknob at night, the airport is As Dead As a doorknob at night, and in all those examples you don’t have people on a microphone yelling and screaming epitaphs, the extreme variations between high pitch and low pitch sounds, etc….. …….. And so in a 24-hour day it is pretty easy to try to mix and match day time activities to night time activities with your argument Eric but it fails…..additionally, the project application is only many years after the existing residents moved in who are now complaining about the noises to be and who signed the petition of 600. It’s always easy to play down the process when the process changes the land use designation so that you (park applicants) could use the subjective decibel levels against the people who were living there already……. But then you play that process up as you so eloquently wrote in your last post here,

“I guess it helps when the agency gets to decide the process for its own project.”

* There is no such thing as a legitimate process or any sanctity to a process when the process is changed to fit or match the needs of a development project put forward by those who collude to skirt legitimate processes, and yes, skirting takes a shitload of a long time to complete, so 17 years reads as typical bullshit……make an appearance that the project is overscrutinized like a nuclear power plant when in reality all that time was for insiders rewriting the rules (outside of a general Plan update process) to make the project unfairly fly, and of course the General Plan update process in congruence did not disappoint…… Decibel levels is one of the more contrived frauds Society uses for project development affirmations……….. Millions of homeowners won’t lie about noises but the government will and those who collude with government will too.

* When 600 people signed the petition it’s at that point they don’t expect or feel obligated or a duty to show up to a meeting in person which is probably why only one person (your words) showed up is because 599 of them already signed the petition on the understanding that a written petition is as powerful as any oral statement they can make……….

[EK wrote: New codified land use overlay definitions invented by staff specifically to rubber stamp this project, a park……which is more impact to the land than a commercial project…….as well as a touchy, feely agenda project……..anything “park” or “trail” is just slimeball politics passed off as eco groovy acceptible development even though it is the worst kind of development of prime resource lands……..regardless of what “bartering” details were passed off as faux fact.

Response: read again Eric you’re wrong County staff invented the definition as HOJ personally witnessed the actual meeting and staff had several recommendations for that definition (vertical integration based) and made changes to it. Further the engineers were only finagling the project so that it would be more workable when presented against reality that the local rules made it such that the project was really not workable (suggesting money and power can change the rules whenever, and that processes to change by a vote or some other inclusive platform or not encouraged – something EK would agree with if it was any other project not driven by Progressive greed)…… And reasonably the project still isn’t fully workable, it’s speculative just like the Planning Commission PC (not OC that was a typo) had stated…….. Which also implies you can’t even get a grip on what the potential habitat loss or impacts will be…… And a certain proportion of that habitat loss, that habitat impact is currently disguised, camouflaged and hidden within the 50 + lots/units that are to be sold in the future……

LETS FACE IT, ECONOMIC TIMES IN HUMBOLDT OUTSIDE THE POT CULTURE LACKS AND GOVERNMENT IS WILLING TO RUBBER-STAMP ANYTHING “GREENERY IMPLYING” THAT IT CAN ATTACH FUTURE VISIONARY ECONOMIC STIMULATION TOWARD WITHOUT CURRENT DATAFIABLE PROOF, ONLY SPECULATION…….. THERE ONCE WAS A TIME WHERE ERIC WOULD HAVE SAID THE SAME THING BUT BECAUSE THIS IS A PROJECT OF GREEN PROPORTIONS FOR WHICH IS LED BY LOCAL PROGRESSIVES, OF COURSE THEY DON’T WANT THE RULES THAT FORMALLY APPLIED TO APPLY TO THEM, SO THEY MUST MAKE SPECIAL RULES TO APPLY, SPECIAL DEFINITIONS AND HAVE SPECIAL ENGINEERS COME IN AND DO SPECIAL LITTLE THINGS TO FINAGLE THE PROJECT SO THAT IT WORKS TO THE POINT THAT 600 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT VERSUS LESS THAN 30 WHO ARE GOING TO SUPPORT IT…….

[EK wrote: The irony in creating all these parks and trails by converting near virgin to Virgin Forest land into human uses which is by far a very hypocritical action to say the least because the best conservation of land, protection of prime resource lands…….. is to not allow humans enter whatsoever which truly defines virgin, untouched, wildland, etc…

Response: EK puts words into mouth…….plural……parks and trails again about overall reality in Humboldt, not specific to “this singular park” for obvious reasons, but since EK wants to lie, deceive, the truth is habitat loss will occur above and beyond the scope of what current operations exist on the land…….. Proof is easy take the county maps now going back 17-20 years then compare it to the development map and look what happened at was lost on paper but that which cannot be analyzed by sound because there is no data that shows how many birds how many frogs how many mountain lions or Bobcats or any other species relocating because of noise or the actual development itself on such a grand scale……… The park is definitely doable but 600+ versus 30 less and the speculative unknowns with 50+ units/lots and no resolve for onsite services/offsite services…….screams this project was rubber stamped with the allowance that continuing forward would answer those things the EIR could not, which in an instant means that won’t happen until the 50-plus lot / units are better understood in a realistic, on the ground scenario…….implying whatever process was used, was ineffective and did not address the most important aspects of the project…..

[EK wrote: This was not a unanimous consensus decision because the OC denied the “housing/land sale development aspect, service supplies are also in question.

I don’t know what that means. We had five of five Board member votes. There is no “housing/land sale development aspect.” I don’t know what you mean by “service supplies.”]

Response: PC = Planning Commission …..
The board also approved a program that will allow the nonprofit group managing the park to sell development rights for as many as 54 units to other regional property owners, thereby generating revenue to help manage the park property. The county planning commission had recommended against approval of the Transfer of Development Rights (TDR) program, arguing that the plan was too speculative.

😎 – overall HOJ is not against Southern Humboldt from having another community park or other opportunities for recreation, but there are some MAJOR concerns being swept under the carpet baggers laundry bag with this project……..Stuff STILL NOT ADDRESSED CONSTITUTIONALLY/LEGALLY starting at the top with the impacts to those people who already are living in and around the proposed project parcel site who will be affected by noises and other impacts……… you see the onus is typically processed on the new to appease the old when new impacts are created THAT impact the older existing……… Simply 300 feet is not a constitutional legal allowance the government gets to use in situations when noises travel beyond 300 feet…….. Further, noises that travel Beyond 300 feet are proof in and of itself that aspects of the project are a nuisance……… Nowhere in the EIR is private or public nuisances alleviated or even have a determination…….and the sounds that Eric Kirk cites as evidence on behalf of noises not affecting people is bogus because none of the activities EK cites currently are operations capable of intentionally or unintentionally increasing or decreasing the pitch, bandwidth, wavelength of noises to such the degree that music, arts and theatre are capable of……. It is like using white noise as a sleep aid as the basis of white noise is continuity, constancy, no divergence in delivery……. Freeway, gravel operation, hay operation ……. those are all consistencies and noises that occur daily, not nightly AND those noises are different than music because music does not stay constant…… Music is up down left right north south east west…….music noises are unlike any other noises in ability to disturb because no constants exist that keeps the noise less detectible, unlike freeways, hay ops……..and oh boy, a maximum of seven concert events is mitigation for the previous six events nuisance impacts…….Bohn is a wise guy politician, apparently, defering to deflection and minimalizations as a means to avoid analyses of nuisances…..oh boy, not so good…….and generally, Bohn is a hard working dude, but wth, is being a politician too much work?

* Disclaimer: HOJ understands the EIR/ND process and has witnessed firsthand the type of rules bending and breaking and blind eye follow ups and political molding that local government employees participate in to make certain insider projects become reality that otherwise could not……mostly because too many people are impacted negatively and adversely, but for not those who come with statements of wealth and grandeur of opportunity no matter how benign, apathetic or naive the illogical thinking is……. yet really only local conspiracies to provide opportunity to the preferred politics of the day or those insider connections with logistical holdings of potential future uses insiders desire to cash out on.

Will agree, right or wrong, the process should never take so long, but then again, collusion takes time to sweep under the bag so that short term thrill seekers of corrupt politics stay blinded to the facts……. Maybe that’s why HOJ was informed of a quirky Mad River Union article that implied the county of Humboldt will begin charging public speakers a fee to speak…….. To make the impression that government is sick and tired of regular citizens critiquing the poor results of government……… And without describing it in the article the the paper printed a picture of one person whom it is attacking on behalf of the rest of those future and past and present potential public speakers……. Guess that particular news Outlet had no one better to emphasize in the article.

March 29, 2017 at 10:14 am

Henchman Of Justice

There are those who develop within the constraints and boundaries of the existing platform of doabilities……… And then there are those who intentionally get involved in order to develop something not doable under the current platform…….

All this merely suggests that land use and zoning is a crock of shit……. If a person only needs to decide that they want to change the land use or zoning on any property at any point in time then that screams that argues on behalf of not having land use designations if only for the reason they can change so simply and easily while using time as a false critic.

Arguments and opinions on behalf of land use zoning are simple because the intention is to keep in place rules in perpetuity so that conflict amongst the neighbors does not arise based upon Geographic layout and the actions and impacts of that Geographic layout… .. . After all who wants to move over here and then have to move away because some Insiders change the land use designations……. So now the consumer says had they known this or that they would have never bought that land to be subjected to Future nuisances…….

March 29, 2017 at 10:30 am

Henchman Of Justice

EK,

What is the population immediate to the surrounding project area?

HOJ critiques the project area as not being a population center NOW, but that designs are to turn the project area into a population center……. EK blames people who already live there for living near a population Center that does not exist yet because that’s what typical attorneys do ……they lay blame on the now with accusations of the future even though the future has yet to materialize the NOW allegations…… It’s like claiming a person is this or that even though right now they are not this or that because the person claiming this or that is manufacturing a situation so that eventually this or that may materialize…… It’s like saying EK is an abuser who curses all the time right now but then laying the groundwork over the next several years to piss Eric off, to abuse Eric so much that he goes from mr. nice to mr. pissed off, just as the perpetrator as an abuser predetermined…….. So that the accuser can retroactively use an allegation that was never true but make it seem like it’s true because the perpetrator created a victim…… and since the perpetrator probably already knew how the victim would transform ……. is a reason why the perpetrator would make such false allegation to begin with……

America is a Hoax…….

March 29, 2017 at 10:40 am

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March 29, 2017 at 1:41 pm

David Kirby

H…my post was not directed at you.

March 29, 2017 at 3:57 pm

Henchman Of Justice

DK,

True, you responded to HOJ’s thoughts on the explanation of “virgin” and “rubber stamping” without direct addressment incorporating an identifier like “Dear Abbey”.

HOJ did directly respond to you DK because it was your thoughts in your non-direct (your words) post that deserved proper and respectful recognition to identify who was being addressed, thoughtfully of course.

Your Welcome

😎😉

March 29, 2017 at 6:57 pm

Stephen Lewis

All the critics of the (private) Community Park development have been censored off except for HoJ and still the community has no Community Park of its own. It’s private corporation pretending to represent the community but has always represented the developers led by millionaires who made their big bucks off of homesteaders and all the environmental degradation that went along with dope growing and subdividing fragile .watersheds. A great loss to community democracy and a win for developers and their front man, Eric.

March 30, 2017 at 11:39 am

Eric Kirk

No way I’m responding to all that nonsensical crap. Sorry.

March 30, 2017 at 6:01 pm

Stephen Lewis

Can’t tell the truth at all as you obviously did respond with your typical Eric in denial slimeball “nonsensical crap”, a.k.a. the (private) “Community Park”. (I had to change monikers because Eric’s censoring my Google one at present)

March 30, 2017 at 6:20 pm

Stephen Lewis

Here’s truth you won’t face, Eric: You are a front man for Bob McKee who is perhaps the most ecologically disastrous individual to inhabit Humboldt County and you want to a community park dedicated to covering up this man’s role in befouling hundreds of watersheds with very bad subdivision planning that unfortunately was never stopped in time. I don’t think Bob or Steve Dazey, another exploiter selling pollution to the community should have anything to do with a real Community Park.

March 30, 2017 at 6:27 pm

Anonymous

water, drought. “we have that reasonably well covered, read the EIR” standard response from whoevers pushing new infrastructure. all “legitimate” infrastructure you despise, eric, has an EIR. they mean nothing. is the water ever coming back? not a rhetorical question. the salmon are fucked. if even one of every ten immediate permanent residents neighboring new infrastructure opposes it, its a shit on everybodys face to build it anyway.

March 31, 2017 at 6:14 am

Henchman Of Justice

EK,

Only because it is sensical facts with actual quotes and references by local service providers, naysaying gubbamint officials…….

EK just exposed himself as to why he’s a crappy attorney……. he doesn’t read stuff and the judges understand it too.

March 31, 2017 at 6:50 am

Henchman Of Justice

Question attempt #2 for EK (short, subtle and sweet):

EK,

What is the population immediate to the surrounding project area?

March 31, 2017 at 9:41 am

Eric Kirk

Garberville. Other than that there are some clusters across the river next to the gravel business and airport, and there is Kimtu.

And most of those people support the park, and events at the park. One Kimtu resident said to us, “Please turn the music up!”

Again, you haven’t read the EIR. A couple of detractors have cherrypicked from it, and they don’t really understand it.

The water use is going to be pretty minimal compared to the straws all around sucking it up for weed production and other uses, and really, all we’re going to be doing is diverting water. Whatever doesn’t evaporate will go straight to the river.

Now, we could use the property for agricultural activities which would use much more water, and no agency, local, state, or federal, could tell us to do otherwise because ag gets a free pass.

This is a really good thing, and most in the community are very excited. The primary opposition is coming from people who are afraid of change, have unreasonable expectations in what is hardly a remote rural area, or are just cynical and unhappy. None of the detractors of record has children – not one.

March 31, 2017 at 10:36 am

yessir

“The primary opposition is coming from people who are afraid of change, have unreasonable expectations in what is hardly a remote rural area, or are just cynical and unhappy. None of the detractors of record has children”

new infrastructure and cash strapped desperation isnt change, its status quo. change is leaving the earth to heal, change is repairing and restoring native land, change is less not more. yes, its an unreasonable expectation to change the mind of somebody who voices the status quo, and my carbon footprint stops with me, by choice. i speak my peace and leave well enough alone, you build walls. good for you, have a nice weekend.

March 31, 2017 at 10:54 am

Eric Kirk

yessir – I assume that you live in a tent rather than a home? I assume that you don’t drive a vehicle and certainly never fly an airplane. I assume you grow your own food rather than rely on trucks to bring the food to your store so you can purchase it. I assume you don’t use anything tied to oil, gas, coal or fossil fuels to heat your home. I assume there is no plastic in your home.

Because if these things are not true, then your personal net carbon footprint is larger than the net carbon footprint of the park. In fact, the park is a net negative footprint when compared to the other uses of the part, including more water involved ag as not all purchasers would have been committed to dry farming – certainly not if they could economically justify the purchase price. That this land will not be subdivided into 50 parcels on which homes could be built and upon which water-intensive ag would have been required by the zoning an to justify the purchase prices.

And certainly it will lesson the footprint of those who currently have to drive to Fortuna or farther for all of their youth sports needs.

Unless you live in a city where resources are pooled, you only use public transportation, and you grow your own food in a lot somewhere. Unless you live somewhere other than here, where you have to drive to do all of your shopping and business. Unless all of these things are true, your personal net footprint is probably in excess of the park’s.

March 31, 2017 at 5:21 pm

yessir

none of your reply addresses the point at all. why are you conflating existing infrastructure with unbuilt infrastructure?

March 31, 2017 at 6:45 pm

Eric Kirk

Because some things are worth building.

April 1, 2017 at 8:28 am

yessir

honestly, i oppose the project but am relatively indifferent to it. localized agriculture is a must. should be a wave of the future. especially curious about residents on ag land. has to be planned well with the right people living there or it could.become ghetto shit, but to get “the right people” in the eyes of govt. means charging too much to reside somewhere. instead urbanized areas are quietly jumping on the micro-apartment bandwagon. new york is filling up with them. overpriced rat cages for people. the soccer moms can go fuck themselves. you know what i mean by the stereotype, you see them at every support meeting. their kids could and should be pioneers of growing and maturing on native land. theres more than enough for kids to do. their parents are failing them. as certain as you say that only people without kids oppose the new infrastructure (bullshit), ill tell you and beg you to differ that everybody whos enthusiastic about the new ballfields is addicted to the internet, and spends an unhealthy amount of time staring at electronic screens.

because…in the big picture, its not healthy to fall into the least zone…”at least its not gonna be a strip mall”. environmental crisis mode should have kicked into humboldt countys government gears years ago, but all the development sponsered politicians and development sponsered media is only doing that with regards to marijuana growing. to add insult to injury, only “black market” marijuana growing is their (and your) target. as if handfulls of cash and an EIR really makes it all okay. wineries in mendo drain the watersheds every year. construction companies pull water year round. clearcutting is going strong, and logging companies sell off hundreds of acres every year to new development. the population continues to grow exponentially, people are breeding like rabbits and the status quo has us by the balls. i cant, in good conscience, do as you and fall into the least zone. its not cynical, its very, very real. we all know where its going and, unlike folks like yourself (youre obviously far from alone) im not too chickenshit to call it like it is.

April 1, 2017 at 8:30 am

Henchman Of Justice

Sorry EK, but Garberville is not a legitimate population center immediate to the project site as the project site sits outside of Garberville (not even Cuttenesque in layout) you have to leave Garberville to get to where you want to build something and what that means is you don’t have a community population center immediately in or around the project site because it is outside Garberville and you have to travel freeway distances to get to the unknown population that you cite. (See how Eric Kirk has no data…….population figures use mathematics, EK uses BULLSHITING AND A RIGGED EIR…..)

You’re not building something within city limits or within service areas BUT your building something that can be classified as being NEARER to the boonies.

It is a common response whenever EK doesn’t want to answer to facts, to claim that the person that’s requesting EK to answer to the facts did not read the EIR (even though EK is the one who admitted he won’t read stuff)……but that is just it, when the requester knows more about EIR’s than a lazy attorney who window-dresses his ideological desires to avoid the scrutiny that goes along with hipocrisy AND…..

as EK admitted with this process,

“I guess it helps when the agency gets to decide the process for its own project.”

EK must be celebrating the return of Norman Rockwell’s “LAZY BOY PICTURE” with all the denials and ad hominem character attacks…….. Typical attorney that doesn’t like discussing facts, addressing facts……….. Usually people who want the facts known will jump out with joy to explain those facts because they got nothing to hide in a process that they didn’t rig for themself.

Question attempt #3 for EK (short, subtle and sweet):

EK,

What is the population immediate to the surrounding project area? (Below is the definition of ‘what is the population’)

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✓ A population is the number of all the organisms of the same group or species, which live in a particular geographical area, and have the capability of interbreeding.

What is the number EK…….cat catch your tongue?

Ya see folks, elected officials are not asking legitimate questions, nor requiring legitimate answers….and so the EIR is manipulated as EK admitted,

“I guess it helps when the agency gets to decide the process for its own project.”

April 1, 2017 at 8:57 am

Henchman Of Justice

EK wrote,

“The water use is going to be pretty minimal compared to the straws all around sucking it up for weed production and other uses, and really, all we’re going to be doing is diverting water. Whatever doesn’t evaporate will go straight to the river.

Now, we could use the property for agricultural activities which would use much more water, and no agency, local, state, or federal, could tell us to do otherwise because ag gets a free pass.”

Response: there is no logic in that comment….. but it does explain why the marijuana permitting process and coinciding propaganda rapidly increased over a short period of time as part of an agenda driven cloud given the facts over the past two to three years covering the past 2-3 decades on developing resource lands………. commercial pot is ag too….

EK’s Development Argument on Behalf of Projects……. has now become a claim of, “there’s already a bunch of straws in the river and all we’re going to do is divert water”……reads like Al Gore…….

April 1, 2017 at 9:06 am

Henchman Of Justice

EK wrote,

“None of the detractors of record has children – not one.”

Response: one of the more disturbing comments as written by Erik Kirk admits the opposition is not reasonable opposition to any project if the opposition does not have children…….. It’s a continuance of the local agenda by whomever conservatives liberals progressives moderates anybody in government or that wants to be connected to government pushing projects that use children as bait to switch the attention away from the facts of the project application and proposal itself.

Considering that folks who do not have children are the type of people who like peace and quiet, it seems plausible that P&Q would be reasonable opposition to a project that creates Mega noise…… And all a reasonable person has to do is sit back on a nice sunny day on the perimeter edges of the Arcata Sports Complex or the Cutten ball fields or any of the local schools on the edge of their athletic fields walk away one block to block 3 blocks 4 blocks and you’ll know what you hear and then consider eliminating as much of the minutiae as possible because this project site will not have all that added minutiae noise surrounding the site and so therefore the noise generated on this site will travel greater distances because the other minutiae noise is not competing because it does not exist except for a freeway that’s essentially As Dead As a doorknob for all points and considerations.

April 1, 2017 at 9:25 am

Henchman Of Justice

And as far as the “Dead as a doorknob freeway”……people wouldn’t be living where they are now if the freeway was busy to begin with……m people got to sleep, they got to be able to enjoy their property outside during the day…..

now granted, if the effects of noise were similar as if being closer to Windsor or Ukiah (probably as North as we could go for effects of freeway noise until Humboldt Bay proper) or anywhere south of Windsor…… yeah, then they probably wouldn’t be appealing the project because they would have already sold their home and moved on….

April 1, 2017 at 9:32 am

Henchman Of Justice

Decibel levels are illegitimate identifiers or factors that are used in designing projects because: one horn that toots at 100 decibels or a hundred horns that ALL toot at 100 decibels is categorized and or classified as still being a hundred decibels even though in fact the impact of those 100 horns at a hundred decibels is a much broader based sound kind of like the difference of listening to an orchestra or symphony versus some back alleycat groveling hat change…..

April 1, 2017 at 10:56 am

David Kirby

Having served as the planning commissioner representing So Hum I have dealt with review of a number of projects all over Humboldt County. It is generally amplified sound that seems to be the most problematic. Be it public address systems or amplified music. At the site of the community park the problem is aggravated by the bluff across the river which acts as a sounding board. This problem can be mitigated by positioning the speakers so that they project in a direction away from the bluff and local residences. This area is not particularly quiet. Weekdays the back up alarms of equipment operating at the sand and gravel extraction business near the park are audible at some distance. In my opinion the biggest constraint to larger “festival” type gatherings will be the substandard access road and dealing with increased traffic congestion that currently can’t be mitigated. I think the sports complex and smaller community functions could be beneficial to the area.

April 1, 2017 at 10:59 am

yessir

“”EK wrote,

“None of the detractors of record has children – not one.”

Response: one of the more disturbing comments as written by Erik Kirk admits the opposition is not reasonable opposition to any project if the opposition does not have children””

very true.

April 1, 2017 at 6:38 pm

Stephen Lewis

Let’s have a Larabee Community Park too that honors the Larabees for their considerable roles in allowing Europeans into Redwood country who have so vastly improved the local ecology..

April 2, 2017 at 8:56 pm

Unk John

yessir – In your post at 10.59, you agreed with hoj’s “response.” Eric Kirk’s statement concerning the detractors not having children was made in a thread involving a park. It seems to me that people with children might have a different outlook when it comes to a project like this, so the statement does have relevance.

Now, could you explain to me how you can agree with a “response” that somehow extrapolates that statement in a discussion of a park project to a statement that says he would use that very argument in discussions of ANY project?

April 2, 2017 at 11:52 pm

Not A Native

Unk John, You’re ignoring that Eric clearly asserted that the opinions of people who don’t have children aren’t relevant for this development. I think that’s why yessir finds Eric’s comment very disturbing.

And I agree. Eric’s sort of identity politics is totally antithetical to a credible democratic process. I’m surprised only that Eric was so forthright in airing his exclusionary views,which he normally conceals well behind claims of being a liberal.

April 3, 2017 at 7:36 am

Henchman Of Justice

Dave Kirby,

Your beloved Estelle Fennel admitted that the Board of Supervisors rubber stamps projects……. She even used her right arm to stroke it…….

On March 28, 2017 just prior to public comment on the the oyster production farming Expansion Project on Humboldt Bay on behalf of Coast Seafood……..

Rubber stamping occurs regardless of how much time is spent on the process……

And boy did Mike Wilson school the for existing supervisors on the process and Ryan Sundberg, who doesn’t know the process and gets offended by his perceived lessers who know more, had to ask the attorney whether it was true what Supervisor Mike Wilson was saying….. and to that effect county counsel attorney Jeffrey blank said yes it’s true, it’s fact what Mike Wilson says has happened……including the Brown Act and the concern for lack of process……

April 3, 2017 at 7:46 am

Henchman Of Justice

…….. “So there is a little bit of a cloud over the EIR process”……..kick it back to the army corp of engineers…….72 hour emergency notice……

The tone immediately prior to the “Park is a Thing now Agenda Item”…….shenanigans and kowtowing……..

Supes were put in the corner and Sundberg had to admit that they did not have anything to do with the letter at discussion, even though the letter going around implied expressly all supes were involved in drafting the letter of admissions of facts…..

…… Just another fine example of local government works……. where words on paper are complete lies……. Supes get caught and are forced to admit that the information is not correct (lies) and don’t feel comfortable sending off a letter that is full of misinformation……

April 3, 2017 at 8:00 am

Henchman Of Justice

Unk Jon,

It’s the same principle that you can’t take a person seriously about constitutional rights regarding the separation of church and state or any other conduct which that same person would thereby be anti-constitutional toward, and then pull themself out from that requirement to do as that same person pleases for themself that which would otherwise violate any persons, or on this matter, any projects requiring constitutional due process…… and since children seem to be mentioned more and more for political purposes as scapegoating tools, it isa paramount identifier that those who are or lack integrity as human beings are the same people who use children in any argument in order to superimpose positions over opponents of any project……… It also shows the conspiracy in mindsets of people in politics who abuse individuals that don’t conform to the standardized realities the government and corporations are perpetrating…….. Like the standardization that people without children are lesser than people with children.

If you say you believe in the freedom and the right to free speech but then you partake in the actions of censorship and any other actions that are anti-free speech then that shows the entity making the action has fleeting principles for which renders The Entity providing that action as not credible……

Fleeting Priciples = An unworthy humanoid……..

April 3, 2017 at 9:20 am

Henchman Of Justice

“Without the ballparks, the overlays would not have worked with this project, this project is a legacy project and we can’t tell what the community wants in 10 or 15 years or a hundred years” …… We’ve been waiting for this moment, we can’t wait any longer….~ KL (park board member) (before public comment begins Virginia Bass says, “okay we’ll make it work” which totally disregards the public comment if anything arises such that the project shouldn’t go forward….. you know cuz it’s already rubber-stamped)

“Had to develop a special mechanism just for this project because there’s nothing in the general plan that allows for this Project without the mechanism we created regarding the TDR program”…. Choke choke cough cough cottonmouth swallow spit gulp and thank you so much~ BB (COH)

April 3, 2017 at 9:30 am

Henchman Of Justice

Public speaker cinnamon ??? (Toast Crunch), but the first thing she recites is her four babies equaling the amount of time 17 years that she’s had to endear birthing simultaneously to the park board working on this project……. Can’t remember if she’s the public commenter from last year that claimed she just moved to the area, so not sure if she is just intermixing her birthing years irregardless of explaining whether or not she’s actually lived in the area for 17 years or whether she actually lived in Santa Rosa
because most of her diatribe sounds to be about Santa Rosa and Santa Rosa Parks so she just to convert that moved into the area just recently. And then the Board of Supervisors decided to start charging public comment or at least that’s what the Mad River union says……

April 3, 2017 at 9:34 am

Henchman Of Justice

Supes cut off Head of North Coast Growers Association member president (former), supe claims “we must hold everyone to the same rules on time”…..(even though they give extra time to people who are in support of a project, as opposed to against)

April 3, 2017 at 9:38 am

Henchman Of Justice

Public agencies on this project are never going to be against noise on this project because none of them (public agency employees) live adjacent to the project site…….

April 3, 2017 at 9:39 am

Henchman Of Justice

3 opposed so far EK, not 1 as you wrote above.

April 3, 2017 at 9:40 am

Henchman Of Justice

Ballparks and other Recreation field sources used to be watered before public agencies like school districts and Public Works decided to skimp on water because water costs money and they didn’t want to spend the money and so all the kids lost their recreational activities due to lack of watering because it cost too much……

April 3, 2017 at 9:45 am

Henchman Of Justice

Without the ballparks the overlay would be such that this project would have to be considered “a site for festivals only with pre-existing ancillary uses allowed to continue.”

Another speaker even admitted there’s no place for people to go to be loud on a daily basis.

April 3, 2017 at 9:55 am

Henchman Of Justice

Some guy that claims he used to be on the Pacific Watershed Council, worked on the Headwaters Forest Action Committee and other organizations eventually discussed how the sewer shouldn’t be a problem because the only thing they need in the park is what they do in other Parks which is Vault toilets……

Vault toilet – where the shit is so high it physically touches your butt hair when you sit on the stool……. Walk the Headwaters Forest lately and notice how unsanitary the maintenance is on vault toilets and keep in mind population loads and customer use loads are minimal compared to this project……

Some other public speaker lady mentioned that Arcata Eureka Fortuna McKinleyville all have their ball parks and that southern Humboldt deserves one too…… But she didn’t want to explain that what she referenced actually has population centers…….soho has none, but is a spreadout area……

April 3, 2017 at 3:08 pm

David Kirby

I don’t think you know much about land use. Zoning is an ordinance, its a law and as such the chance for arbitrary decisions about what is and what is not allowed within a certain zone are greatly restricted. If for instance you purchase a lot that is zoned R1, building a single family home is a “principally permitted use”. There are additional uses in this zone that can be had with a “conditional use permit” but they require notice to property owners within 300 ft. of the project and any agencies affected by the project. The granting of a “variance'” or rezone is far more complicated, expensive and time consuming. If planning personnel violate the laws surrounding land use they open up the county to serious litigation. This situation has led to an additional document being included in many real estate sales called “the local option”. This county document came into being when residential development occurred adjacent to industrial or AG property. Logging,mining, grazing etc. were generating complaints from nearby residential areas. The local option informs buyers that this type of activity may impact them before they choose to buy a particular property.

April 3, 2017 at 5:08 pm

Unk John

NAN – I understand what you are saying, but I’m not sure that I am ignoring anything. Yessir seems to make some reasonable statements and I am in no position to take a side on this issue since I reside about 1000 miles north of Humboldt County.

Eric’s statements in this thread have said a lot more than just the thing about the lack of childless detractors. I am simply unclear as to how anyone can take that statement to mean that he would worry about childless people in projects that do not involve parks. I simply see that as hyperbole.

I don’t really care about this that much and I know that several people have baggage when it comes to Eric, but that one just seems silly.

April 3, 2017 at 7:53 pm

Not A Native

Unk John I think the observation that people have baggage when it comes to Eric applies especially to you. When peeved by resistance to his framing of facts Eric regularly makes disturbing statements that he may later disavow or reinterpret. In the interim, his apparently ever hovering distant “mother hen” swoops down to flak catch with character references intended to bolster Eric’s tarnished claim to be liberal. Maybe its time to let Eric wear big boy pants?

April 4, 2017 at 5:27 am

Henchman Of Justice

Rubberstamping occurs no doubt, here is another “local” example for DK since he is self absorbing his platitude of being a former pcer………HOJ enjoys it when individuals claim superiority of thought and intelligence on land uses, zoning, etc… because you can always learn something new from a test car dumby.

April 4, 2017 at 5:27 am

Henchman Of Justice

David Marcus, who was recently hired by the Board of Supervisors, does not meet the qualifications to be Humboldt County’s Public Defender. It is a disservice to the people of Humboldt County to have a person in such an important position who does not meet the requirements of California state law and is jeopardizing clients’ rights to an effective attorney. The Board of Supervisors must do what is right for the people of Humboldt County and remove Mr. Marcus from the position.

April 4, 2017 at 5:33 am

Henchman Of Justice

What’s worse is it is the supervisors who are the ones in the important positions, and they’re failing spectacularly, but in the eyes of Moonbeam Brown, carry on as usual…….ya think there is a political connection between CA cap and trade, minority rights movements and appointments to state commissions……you betcha!

April 4, 2017 at 5:46 am

Henchman Of Justice

Local option, what a hoot…. Bonnie Boondoggles local foreclosure rule that accmploshes zilch except prove that the market is rigged with fraudulant sales everywhere…….and it was nor about neighboring properties not for sale, but any property “for sale” regardless of location site or zoning or landuse…….it was a head fake political move by an untrustworthy person who happened to be a politician for far too long who dreamt up and plotted a feel good and unnecessary rule to brainwash the public to think that she’s worth her weight in gold………

April 4, 2017 at 5:50 am

Henchman Of Justice

Voice recognition test disclosure not foreclosure……. All that funky shit that you read today is a byproduct of college graduates who have their head so far up their assholes they can’t get software correct.

April 4, 2017 at 5:51 am

Henchman Of Justice

Four years college graduates have not deserved jobs and the byproducts of the college graduate is the proof that they don’t deserve jobs.

April 4, 2017 at 5:52 am

Henchman Of Justice

“For versus four”, another college graduate software related fuck up…….. All the pushing and pulling to get people to use voice recognition software and the college graduates can’t pull their heads out of their assholes……

April 4, 2017 at 9:38 am

katya

I’m hoping to move soon.

The ‘park’ zoning change approval seals the deal. Living in “Garbageville” as I do, I already am dealing with the hoards of *travellers* and *trimigrants*, the trash, the endless festivals/boogies (didja see that Cecil’s has plans for an outdoor venue, added to the festival/boogies already ‘allowed’ at the so-called “Town Square” [by whom?–they sure as shit never asked any of the neighbors!] that rattle my windows and nerves, exacerbating my health issues)…All this “community” seems to be able to do is to blurb mindlessly about ‘farming’ (marijuana) and the next big boogie.

We should be localizing, we should be looking into transitioning our economy/lifestyles and powering down…we should be FARMING that land (and I don’t mean growing wine grapes, for godsake) to meet the aforementioned population explosion happening around here in spite of the evidence staring at us of the sad fact that our *resources* are FINITE!

This place is a cultural void. It’s a big dope Disneyland complete with the southern cali veneer. I do hope I can swing it financially to get the hell outta here.

And the sad thing is: I love it here. It’s my home. But it’s being destroyed by ‘librul’ hypocrites.

Community, my ass.

April 4, 2017 at 10:14 am

Eric Kirk

Katya – definitely sounds like it’s not your kind of place to live – but I’ve been tired of the emphasis on marijuana and boogies since I moved here over 20 years ago. There were complaints about homeless back then – even a petition against them just before I moved here.

The park is already growing more food than it has ever in its history, and plans are being made to grow more. Wine grapes take up about 5 acres, and as much as some don’t like to deal with the fact – maintaining the park takes money. It has to be paid off, and then it has to be maintained. Even if we were to leave it as a big vacant lot – if we allow the public onto it we have numerous financial obligations required of federal, state, and local law. We have to maintain insurance. We have to hire caretakers. We have to manage it as a business. That’s just the way it is.

As far as I know, only one proposal was made at one forum for medical marijuana growing on park property. But nobody took it seriously, and it’s not going to happen. We couldn’t afford the security for one thing. And there’s plenty of that happening everywhere else. We are growing food and we plan to grow more – utilizing all of the prime farm space for that purpose. The vast majority of the park is not good for farming. The sports fields were placed in a lousy spot for farming in terms of soil quality and other issues.

Instead of throwing in the towel, you might first consider coming to some of the meetings. We’ll be holding a number of public organizational meetings once the park paperwork is finalized, but this time the meetings won’t be about what or if, but how and when.

April 4, 2017 at 10:44 am

Eric Kirk

“”EK wrote,

“None of the detractors of record has children – not one.”

Response: one of the more disturbing comments as written by Erik Kirk admits the opposition is not reasonable opposition to any project if the opposition does not have children””

very true.

That has to be one of the most ridiculously stupid interpretations of what I said to be posted to date.

Maybe logic isn’t a strong point here, but what you’ve employed is based upon a common fallacy, usually when someone is deliberately obtuse in a debate in order to win points. My statement that none of the detractors has children does not logically proceed to the assumption that I believe that ONLY those with children have a valid point of view. My point was that the perspective of a parent of a minor child is absent from the detractor point of view. Do you see the difference?

See, among those who support the park are those who have minor children AND those who have no children or only adult children. The pro-park side is more inclusive. The opposition side is exclusive to those who have no minor children.

So you have potentially four groups of people: those who support the park who have no children; those who support the park who have children; those who have no children and are detractors; and those who have children and are detractors.

The last of the four categories does not exist. That is not to say that the points of view of any of the other three categories are invalid. That is to say that a crucial point of view is missing from the detractor side.

It is a combination of a strawman fallacy and non sequitur, and possibly a quantification fallacy and a syllogistic fallacy depending on your process of non-reasoning. But I’m not going to waste effort here. Suffice to say, the assertion fails on several points of logic.

April 4, 2017 at 1:10 pm

katya

Eric
I learned long long ago that unless you’re ‘in the club (ie grow dope)’ and a landowner, you just aren’t even worth the pavement you’re trying to claim walking in town.

I moved to town cuz I don’t have a car. And I rent. And I don’t grow dope. I’ve NEVER really felt like I was ‘in the club’…the cliquey-ness is oppressive. I moved here to live a simple life (remember the ‘live simply so others can live’ bumpersticker?) and homesteaded/homeschooled for a period of years on the *wrong* side of the freeway while the marriage lasted.

Because of what I see as a distinct vulnerability due to my economic circumstances and my chronic heath problems, the stress of speaking at meetings, let alone *getting* to one is beyond me. But I’ve been following the trajectory of priorities for years.:)

Between dodging the dog crap and ducking around cigarette smokers, I’m having to keep an eye out for big diesel rigs with *trailers* barreling thru town, PARKING in the crosswalks and the sidewalks.

None of you folks with palatial estates in the hills give a fig for this shitty, ugly, dirty little town. What is *good* about it is that everything I need I can walk to. Already pretty much covered what sucks. I won’t go into the dope-yuppie phenomenon but think, “John Hardin” and I’m right there with him.

I see what’s happening here kinda like this: we are a microcosm of the macro…the rich just keep getting richer (see local ‘royalty’…I don’t *even* have to name names) and the rest of us working minimum wage jobs live in fear of the rent going up one more time~

Class distinctions are alive and well in SoHum.

The folks with vested interest in the so-called “Community Park” are part of the elite with a financial agenda polished up to look benevolent. It’s all about the moola and not much about ‘community’. OR the environment.

How come we don’t have a community GARDEN? Why does one have to walk down a treacherous two land road (assuming one can deal with that hill) to enjoy some *green* space? Oh, and if food is such a priority at the ‘so called’ Community Park, why o why has no one planted FRUIT TREES? Water for ball fields, but not food. Priorities for the breeders.

I *HAVE* spent time in other small towns where there was real, inclusive, community, across class lines and age/race differences. Where the first words out of someone’s mouth at a birthday party didn’t have *anything* to do with pot. Where people had ‘real’ jobs and recreation didn’t cost money. etc etc. Where cars *stopped* for you in the crosswalk, where car culture was discouraged and biking was the norm. My hope was to relocate to such a place (many other peeps from these parts have moved to this place; I’ve heard it described as ‘it’s like Garberville *used* to be) but the rents just keep going up, and I’m feeling more and more stuck…and with summer and the influx of gang-bangers and pot whores (high heels in Gville, seriously???) the rude trimmigrants clogging the sidewalks and the poor unfortunates with their intact pitbulls–man; the first window-rattling boogie with nowhere to run and nowhere to hide is enough to make this Gville resident entertain fantasies of going postal.

April 4, 2017 at 4:20 pm

Unk John

“apparently ever hovering distant “mother hen”” – I like that one. But let’s understand each other here. I do not and will not take Eric’s side in every instance. We don’t always agree. I simply saw a statement that seemed absurd. Then, when I saw that yessir, a poster who seemed to make some sense in his statements posted support for that incredible thought, I asked why. I was thinking that I might be missing something. It was not intended as a support for Eric at all. I know nothing about the project.

There is enough vitriol thrown back and forth here, that to try to sort it out is a fools errand as well as childish. Eric’s peeved state at those times are probably, like all the others, due to being either called or treated as a moron.

April 4, 2017 at 6:47 pm

Jon Yalcinkaya

Thank you katya. You perspective is important and one I share. Probably not a coincidence then that I have lugged that “live simply…” from the early 80’s around with me from home to home.

April 4, 2017 at 7:44 pm

Anonymous

“See, among those who support the park are those who have minor children AND those who have no children or only adult children. The pro-park side is more inclusive. The opposition side is exclusive to those who have no minor children.”

no, eric, what is utterly ridiculous, and disturbing, is that you claim no “detractor” of the park has children. On or off record, that’s what we in the real world call “complete bullshit”. you also dont seem aware that several of your readers have picked up on your communicative mannerisms, hence so many.commenters calling you out on your bullshit. for example, when you backpedal, you often start your bullshit with “See”….case in point. youre a stereotypical lawyer.

April 4, 2017 at 10:04 pm

Eric Kirk

Katya, I agree with about 90 percent of what you say about Sohum. I have a love-hate relationship with the place. I’ve been writing about it for years now right here on this blog.

But you’re conflating. I see the park as a small movement towards diversification. Wine grapes may not be the most utilitarian use for local purposes, but it offers an economically viable project which can compete with marijuana for land use. Same with the cattle. Ranching used to flourish in Sohum. It’s almost gone.

It is also premised on a future with families, which has to mean something other than marijuana – which among other things is a bubble. It’s going to crash. And then we’re going to have to find other means of living here. We will lose people and land values will crash, at least for awhile. Hopefully we’ll find ways to maintain some kind of community. We’re going to need infrastructure which attracts families if we don’t want the place to become a retirement community.

April 5, 2017 at 5:59 am

katya

More boogies will sustain this place after the dope bubble pops? Really?

7 events a year???

The option of future ‘ development’ (which, by the way, is what this is all about)…keep developing, keep growing–like *cancer*?

The breeders need to quit breeding and get real about what’s coming down the pike…7.4 billion humans on the planet and the petri dish is getting crowded. The water isn’t going to be there for all those kiddos/(I call them ‘accessories’) with climate change nipping at our heels~and yet the so called “Community Park” has no qualms *at all* of sucking up gobs of it out of the river of green slime to manufacture their ballfields and put on their boogies.

The economic model y’all have based this ‘project’ on is ultimately extractive and unsustainable. Capitalism is killing us all. We need to dial it down, and no one is willing to do that. Stuff! We need our stuff!!!

April 6, 2017 at 10:20 am

Eric Kirk

It’s not an “economic model.” It’s a park. Parks allow for events – every park allows for musical events.

Seven to you seems very large. To others it seems ridiculously restrictive. Part of living with other people is that you have to learn that you don’t always get your way absolutely. People, especially younger people, want to have concerts at the park. And actually, it’s 6 events that I count. I don’t know where the 7 is coming from though it’s constantly repeated.

The plan allows for 5 events at 800 to 2500 attendees. That’s really not all that many people and it’s easily manageable. To put it into perspective, the Mateel hall has the capacity of about 800 people. That’s one third of the maximum for the 5 events. It will be about like a Eureka High School graduation ceremony. They will be limited to one night. The sound will be managed. The traffic will be managed. The cleanup will be managed.

The plan also allows for the Mateel Summer Arts and Music Festival to be held there someday. But if that ever happens, it’s going to require extensive county road improvements and a slew of other issues to be addressed. Unless the arrangement between the Mateel and the state of California falls apart, I don’t anticipate it happening anytime soon. All we wanted was for it to be included in the conditional use permit so that it is an option. If and when a proposal is ever made for such an event, there will be much public discussion.

I think once we are a full operation park, most of the concern will die down. Problems will arise here and there, but no other park/project of a similar size has been through so much scrutiny and process. It’s been 17 years for crying out loud! It’s time has come.

April 6, 2017 at 12:45 pm

Not A Native

No Unk John, you jump in only when Eric is being criticized with facts and some well founded and expressed reasons.

And pleeze don’t keep making your nose longer with false claims “It was not intended as a support for Eric at all’ while simultaneously sticking the fork in with ad hominem doubts of Eric’s critics and limpdick excuses for Eric’s outlandish positions..

“I know that several people have baggage when it comes to Eric”

“Eric’s peeved state at those times are probably, like all the others, due to being either called or treated as a moron.”

April 6, 2017 at 1:14 pm

Not A Native

Eric’s framing of support and opposition to the Park plan is misleading and misdirecting. First the supporters at the meetings were recruited by the Park developers who specifically targeted people with children for what is financially a partay venue added to legacy uses. So they showed up at meetings.

What Eric ignores and doesn’t account for is other people with children who didn’t show up and are against the park. Among others, many religious parents who object on moral grounds to the bacchanals the park will sponsor. And of course, Eric doesn’t group people by whether they live closer or further to the park because a majority of the nearer(most affected) residents object, or have serious misgivings.

So Eric’s real sleight of hand is to categorize people into particular groups that tilt the table toward the position he favors. The groups could just as easily be people who originally contributed money based on Dazey’s representations and.those who didn’t. Or people who’ve been in the area longer than 15 years and those who haven’t. The categories are broadly based but wouldn’t look so good for the current park plan.

April 6, 2017 at 2:19 pm

Eric Kirk

First the supporters at the meetings were recruited by the Park developers who specifically targeted people with children for what is financially a partay venue added to legacy uses. So they showed up at meetings.

Not even close to the truth. When we held meetings, notice was put out far and wide.

Religious opposition? Bacchanals? Did you seriously type that?

April 7, 2017 at 3:04 pm

Not a Native

Butter wouldn’t melt in your mouth Kirk. Its just plausibility deniability.. Those notices were the tip of the iceberg of the park’s efforts to drum up support. Park proposals were extensively and repeatedly pitched to school groups. I know several SoHum parents who are very concerned that some park activities will make their efforts to steer their children away from drug and alcohol use more difficult. They tell me some of their friends feel similarly.

April 7, 2017 at 5:22 pm

katya

[quote]It’s not an “economic model.” It’s a park.[quote]

Thus the need for zoning changes, lot line adjustments, rock quarry sales, secret board meetings, draft EIRs and attempts to hook up to GSD so *they* can foot the bill for the REAL EIR, retaining development rights in case the ‘community’ gets on their hind legs and objects to paying for *developer’s* infrastructure etc etc etc.

It’s Mr. Kirk’s blog, and he will always have the last word.

But there are those of us out who are watching this all unfold and aren’t fooled one bit.

April 7, 2017 at 5:43 pm

Henchman Of Justice

Without the ball fields the project would have been considered as a festival site…… So naturally if you have parse the general plan itself and no the loopholes like hoj does and many others it’s easy to come up with the use of your property which is not regulated by County Government………. Like commercial pot until supposedly now…….but because the EIR process was corruption by government officials, and because projects like this show the Insiders are crooked and that the users of a project such as this are willing to crap all over someone’s rights in order to use something no different than build-it-and-they-will-come mentality regardless of the people being abused to create the product……. HOJ wouldn’t trust any of these users who turn a blind eye to abuse upon others JUST BECAUSE THEY’RE GREEDY LITTLE CONSUMERS WHO WANT WHAT THEY WANT REGARDLESS OF THE IMPACTS……. IT’S LIKE PASSING CANDY OUT TO LITTLE KIDS THAT SAY GIVE GIVE GIVE GIVE GIVE GIVE GIVE.

NOISE POLLUTION IS REAL AND IT IS ABUSIVE.

LACK OF SERVICES PROVIDED TO THE SITE IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN

IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY TO SERVE THE PROJECT SITE WITHOUT IMPACTING NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS IS AN ABSOLUTE MUST

DEVELOPMENTS IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN SUCH THAT THE DEVELOPER WITH HIS OR HER PROPOSAL WOULD HAVE PROVIDED A SET OF CONSTRUCTION PLANS DEVELOPMENT PLANS DEVELOPMENT MAP A SET OF PLANS BY PG&E A SET OF PLANS BY THE SEWER DEPARTMENT A SET OF PLANS BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT A SET OF PLANS TO SHOW THE CROSS SECTION OF THE ROAD SECTION THAT IS TO BE DESIGNED AS IMPROVEMENTS AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS OFF-SITE AND ON-SITE AND YET THIS PROJECT DOESN’T HAVE MOST OF THAT AND TO GET AWAY WITH THIS PROJECT THEY CALL IT A LEGACY PROJECT COUGH COUGH GULP.

April 7, 2017 at 5:58 pm

Henchman Of Justice

be logic isn’t a strong point here, but what you’ve employed is based upon a common fallacy, usually when someone is deliberately obtuse in a debate in order to win points. My statement that none of the detractors has children does not logically proceed to the assumption that I believe that ONLY those with children have a valid point of view. My point was that the perspective of a parent of a minor child is absent from the detractor point of view. Do you see the difference?
~ EK

THE ORIGINAL POINT WAS THAT THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE NON PARENT IS ABSENT FROM THE DETRACTOR POINT OF VIEW IN THE MINDSET OF THE PRO BONO PROPONENT OF THE PROJECT, BUT REALLY IF AN ATTORNEY IS SO SMART AND KNOWS ALL THE ANSWERS WHY WOULD HE EVEN SUGGEST SUCH A STATEMENT UNLESS HE WHO MADE SUCH STATEMENT IS PREJUDICED AND BIASED….. SILLY ATTORNEY

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