Really good start in Georgia if you support Warnock. Some counties were open for early voting today. Check out this line! Some of the voters had two hour waits.
This almost didn’t happen as the Republicans tried to kill the Saturday voting in court. They lost because the prohibition against Saturday voting following holidays in the statute only specifies primary and general election, not a runoff. The Georgia Supreme Court saw that the prohibition for runoffs was in the original draft, but not the final legislation and so the presumption is that the omission was intentional – even though it was apparently just a sloppy slip-up. You can bet the Republican majority in the state legislature will change this for future run-offs. So the counties had the option of starting up today as opposed to Monday, when everyone will start.

So 22 of the 160 or so counties started early today, including the Atlanta metropolitan areas including Fulton and Dekalb counties and the county which contains Savanah – very blue areas. Most of the red counties opted to wait until Monday anticipating that the Republican Secretary of State would win in court – they got some bad legal advice and their effort to suppress the voters who need early voting opportunities the most (especially since it’s now very difficult to get an absentee ballot on time) has backfired.
It’s not over. There will still be five days of early voting and then the same day voting. But it’s a great start for Democrats.
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November 27, 2022 at 11:27 am
Henchman Of Justice
So, the two candidates are attempting to win over a super-minority…
Both candidates ended the previous election just under 50%… all things being the same, only 1 1/2% or less of the vote matters as that is who remains who have not already voted for either candidate…
…thinking newly registered voters since will optically call attention to an election scandal…
November 29, 2022 at 7:11 am
Just Watchin
My guess is he was looking to upgrade his wardrobe…..
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-non-binary-nuclear-official-charged-stealing-womans-luggage-airport
November 29, 2022 at 8:57 am
Henchman Of Justice
4 fucking weeks long… total and utter bullshit…
Warnock led Walker by about 37,000 votes out of about 4 million cast in the general election but fell short of the majority required under Georgia law, triggering a four-week runoff blitz.
November 29, 2022 at 9:00 am
Henchman Of Justice
JW, that fruitloop epitomizes some of the problems with government employment hiring practices…
…personally, could never support anyone like that fruitloop ever serving in government…
November 29, 2022 at 9:09 am
Henchman Of Justice
and what’s worse JW is the fruitloops in hospitals, healthcare services sector… some are even hoarder types…
…not trusting unkept health specialists or personnel types who live alternate face-pulling lives behind closed-doors…
…just witnessed the inside residence of a nurse while attempting to reunite a stray dog with its owner… walked away thinking that it would suck to be a patient of that nurse who was sporting some purple hair, was obese, had mental health issues, stood out like a validated RETARD…
…fucking lame that people like this get such employment in places where credibility and trust are to be stewarded… but hey, jobs need filling… even if by filling with weirdos and tards…
November 29, 2022 at 10:25 am
Anonymous
Just watchin what happened to the red wave?
November 29, 2022 at 11:40 am
Just Watchin
Anon….it was big enough to take the House. That’s all that mattered…..
November 29, 2022 at 12:09 pm
Eric Kirk
Well, holding the Senate means that Biden can appoint judges for the next two years. There are about a hundred vacancies right now. So that was big.
But hey, I guess we’ll get to hear all about Hunter Biden’s laptop for the next two years. And election denial.
November 29, 2022 at 12:48 pm
Just Watchin
You’ll hear about more than just Hunter and the “Big Guy”…..
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/18/politics/house-republican-investigations-biden
November 29, 2022 at 3:38 pm
Anonymous
Key leader of the Trump Cult Brownshirts convicted of seditious conspiracy…
November 29, 2022 at 3:40 pm
Anonymous
More good news:
November 29, 2022 at 4:25 pm
bolithio
Thats a good thing. Wish they would have done that with abortion along ass time ago. But unions are safe. Now lets put pressure on them to stand with the other Unions. Bidens already trying to force a compromise with the rail barons. I thought he was a “working class” Scranton?
November 29, 2022 at 4:47 pm
Anonymous
If Congress is going to impose a settlement, they should include the paid sick days as part of it.
November 29, 2022 at 7:03 pm
Anonymous
Fingers crossed that this move to include seven sick days (the last union offer asked for four) passes both Houses.
November 30, 2022 at 6:49 am
Anonymous
If the Republicans spend their time talking about “the big guy” they will make the 2024 blue wave inevitable. And they will probably do that because they are morons.
November 30, 2022 at 7:01 am
Just Watchin
And magoo’s economy is still on fire…..as in “dumpster”….
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/30/private-hiring-increased-by-just-127000-jobs-in-november-well-below-estimate-adp-reports.html
November 30, 2022 at 7:46 am
Anonymous
Which means that the Fed’s interest rate hikes are finally having an effect and inflation will be tamed within months. And it means that inflation won’t be an issue in 2024, and there won’t be much of a recession.
November 30, 2022 at 7:50 am
Eric Kirk
It’s looking really good for Warnock.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/early-voter-turnout-accelerates-in-georgia-senate-runoff-after-record-breaking-day/ar-AA14HDH9
November 30, 2022 at 7:56 am
Eric Kirk
As for the economy, I think this story is more relevant.
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/3756208-us-economy-grew-faster-in-third-quarter-than-first-estimated/
November 30, 2022 at 8:16 am
bolithio
They are saying a strike would be bad for the economy. And their answer? To side with Rail Bosses. Fucking traitors. Rail barons are swimming in profits.
https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/paragraph-in-presidential-emergency-board-report-stokes-controversy/
Rail bosses:”Labor doesn’t contribute to profits.”
Unions: “Lets test that theory”.
Biden: “As a proud pro-labor President, I am reluctant to override the ratification procedures and the views of those who voted against the agreement. BUT…at this critical moment for our economy, in the holiday season, we cannot let our strongly held conviction for better outcomes for workers deny workers the benefits of the bargain they reached, and hurl this nation into a devastating rail freight shutdown.”
Pelosi: “I don’t like going against the ability of unions to strike but weighing the equities, we must avoid a strike.”
Fuck you you scab-ass stooges.
How Much are the bosses making? Billions.
https://perfectunion.us/rail-profits-soaring-at-workers-expense/
Unions wanted 14 days. Bosses agreed to ONE.
“Guaranteeing 7 paid sick days to rail workers would cost the rail industry a grand total of $321 million a year – less than 2% of its profits,” Sanders said. “Please don’t tell me the rail industry can’t afford it. Rail companies spent $25.5 billion on stock buybacks and dividends this year.”
Congress should mandate the fucking 14 days. A 4% decline in these ghouls ‘profits’ is a minuscule fraction of the surplus value they have been robing workers of for decades.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/29/business/rail-strike-threat-recedes
“Joe Biden blew it. He had the opportunity to prove his labor-friendly pedigree to millions of workers by simply asking Congress for legislation to end the threat of a national strike on terms more favorable to workers,” said Hugh Sawyer, treasurer of the Railroad Workers United, a caucus of union activists that had been campaigned against ratification of the tentative labor deals. “Sadly, he could not bring himself to advocate for a lousy handful of sick days. The Democrats and Republicans are both pawns of big business and the corporations.”
Right after the “Blue-Hold” we immediately see the true colors.
Anon, I really really wish we did not need to “cross our fingers” to live in a decent country.
November 30, 2022 at 8:52 am
Just Watchin
Eric…..did you even read the article you linked….
“However, this key component of GDP is showing some signs of weakening,” he continued, citing a decline in spending on goods and higher levels of household debt.”
“While the third-quarter growth spurt helped quash fears the U.S. is currently in a recession, many economists still believe the economy is likely to hit one early next year. High inflation and steep Federal Reserve interest rate hikes have already slowed key sources of growth and could push the U.S. into reverse as soon as the fourth quarter.”
“The surge of exports that helped fueled the third quarter growth comeback will also evaporate as Europe falls deeper into recession.”
“Beneath the apparent strength, the underlying details of the [report] continue to paint the picture of a slowing economy with domestic demand stalling under the weight of elevated inflation…..”.
November 30, 2022 at 9:01 am
Mitch
> Congress should mandate the fucking 14 days.
It should but it won’t. It should also back up the workers by nationalizing the rails for a period if the rail owners can’t move goods. But it won’t. So, until the country gets a different Congress or a willingness to engage in national solidarity strikes, we’ve got what we’ve got.
November 30, 2022 at 2:54 pm
bolithio
Mitch: “we cant”
That is the democratic party platform.
Ever notice how its just a non-stop loss of ground? The Democrats are a feckless bunch. Its all about the campaign, all about the fund raising, but weak in real terms. Their politics are inept and they time and time again show everyone their corporate benefactors are the only constituent. Why do leading democrats say things like “we want a strong republican party”? This example is why. Cause they don’t want to do anything.
This outdated idea that politics needs be non-stop concession, compromise is BS and needs to go. The spectacle of statecraft is code for screwing over the worker. Republicans never concede a inch. And they win. The centrist ‘wing’ of the democratic party is the major pall preventing real progress.
Brandon, in his lame duck, could be whipping for the pro-labor position. But instead he is taking the opposite t(r)ack and encouraging lawmakers to conceded with wildly profitable rail industry. Amazing.
November 30, 2022 at 6:20 pm
Jon Yalcinkaya
Gotta go after those independents in November, right? Reasonable people who, who know, listen to CNN.
We have a neoliberal country and we need a Democratic Party that can say so so that the “both sides” media is forced to talk about the other side that happens to make up the vast majority of Americans.
November 30, 2022 at 6:41 pm
Mitch
Since the opposite of “we can’t” is “we can,” I fully expect everyone to be out on strike tomorrow. Oh, wait…
November 30, 2022 at 7:50 pm
bolithio
November 30, 2022 at 7:54 pm
Jon Yalcinkaya
Yes it’s the *white* working families or white middle class we need to lean into not the *whispers* (working class).
November 30, 2022 at 10:29 pm
Eric Kirk
The seven days passed in the House. I don’t know if it will get by a filibuster in the Senate. Rubio seems to be on Board, but they need ten Republicans, because these days a filibuster is simply a “no” vote.
Biden should have been involved much sooner than this, and the union leadership should not have signed off on a deal without sick leave.
Seven days isn’t 15, but it’s not nothing either.
It passed with all of the Democrats’ votes and 3 Republican votes.
December 1, 2022 at 7:43 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
Biden is involved. Biden is navigating the ship and he wants to avoid a strike. Why is it so hard to see how our party is subservient to capital? Capital and the free market is our number one goal, at least in context of our bought-and sold governing partners across the aisle.
Think about it, why the urgency to sign the bill by Saturday? We all know why, it’s that CNN clip I posted yesterday at 6:20. Status quo economy favoring business uber alles. We don’t want to risk being seen as a Carter, we feel like we must channel our inner Reagan because 2024 is just around the corner and remember how scared we were last month about the Republican take on inflation and the economy? Imagine if we risked letting rail workers slow down the economy? We can’t have that!
December 1, 2022 at 7:58 am
Henchman Of Justice
Traitors… light the torch, and bearer they will come…
…RED, BLUE = TRAITORS…
December 1, 2022 at 8:33 am
Henchman Of Justice
The Marriage Act is shit, as usual for elected blue and red TRAITORS… its all about categorizing tax returns and credits, social service system recipients and perps… for political positions… abusing people shamelessly…
…why the government fights to wed folks is not a mystery…
…why more folks do not desire marriage is not a mystery…
…marriage is no longer sanctid between just 2 people…
…government and church are to be seperate, but instead the two are conjoined at the hip…
…no matter what side ya choose, it is manipulated…
Not postulating marriage is bad, but when outsiders are more involved than the couple to be married is…🤷♂️🤔…ummm…
December 1, 2022 at 9:40 am
bolithio
The fact that our government is stepping in to force labor capitulation to big business is everything you need to know about American democracy.
After all, we are talking about Biden. Watch Biden give the Bush’s the “Liberty Medal”. This is our ‘democratic’ party. Giving medals to fellow war criminals. If you listen carefully, behind the disgusting rehabilitation of Bush, you can hear the Veterans Against the War protesting – until they get an armed escort out of the building.
Joe Biden at 9m in the video: “No purgatory for you dear, straight to heaven.” In case you missed it, hes talking about George W Bush. Thundering applause. Amazing.
December 1, 2022 at 6:01 pm
Anonymous
Railroad worker paid sick days bill fails to pass the Senate.
Only one Democrat (Joe Manchin) voted against.
Only three Republicans voted in favor.
December 1, 2022 at 6:10 pm
Mitch
Darn those democrats. They need to work harder to convince the republicans, fine people all.
December 1, 2022 at 6:14 pm
Just Watchin
The deal that magoo himself bragged about brokering didn’t include sick days…..
https://rollcall.com/2022/12/01/senate-clears-rail-labor-agreement-rejects-sick-leave/
December 1, 2022 at 6:20 pm
Jon Yalcinkaya
90% of Democrats are on board with such basic labor needs as paid sick days (while, btw, legislating that workers cannot strike) and 6% of Republicans. Very clear then the two parties are not one and the same and a vote for Democrats is important for values we all mostly share here.
Here is the problem, we needed 60 votes to pass this, not 50 or 52. I know, I know, win more elections. Here is the thing we can’t, and likely won’t, and what’s the plan if we don’t?
We should be talking about this reality and agitation for it to change explaining why it needs to change. But we don’t. In the end, because we don’t and because we are therefore unlikely to change our ability to govern ourselves, even on something as basic as guaranteeing paid sick days on a contract we are imposing on rail workers, we *all* are complicit. Not just the 94% of bad Republicans, not just the bad Democrats, *all* of us including myself “independents”, Dem-exiters and would be socialists too. We are all complicit and we cannot escape that responsibility. It’s up to us to change this bs system that was driven by a post WW II hatred of FDR-style big government and the taxes it imposes.
December 1, 2022 at 6:24 pm
Just Watchin
Anyone know the penalty if the rail workers decline the contract and refuse to show up work? A “sick out” if you will.
December 1, 2022 at 6:30 pm
Anonymous
The agreement that was negotiated by the leadership of all 12 rail unions — and approved by the membership of 8 out of those 12 unions — didn’t include the sick days.
Democrats in Congress decided to try to add the paid sick days anyway. Democrats in the House unanimously supported adding the sick days, only one Democrat in the Senate opposed it.
Meanwhile the overwhelming majority of Republicans in both the House and Senate opposed it.
Obviously the lesson here is…
DeMOcrAts aRe TeH pRObLem!!!!
December 1, 2022 at 7:00 pm
Just Watchin
PAC…..you left out that magoo was instrumental in brokering that initial deal that didn’t include paid sick days. He bragged about his involvement…..https://youtu.be/tmAkDw-_yIo
December 1, 2022 at 7:25 pm
Anonymous
Jon is entirely correct in that in the Big Picture, “the system” has failed the railroad workers here.
By the way, the problem is not that the rail workers don’t have paid time off. They in fact have, at least by US standards, fairly generous paid time off in the form of both vacation days (about 4 weeks per year, according to what I’ve read) as well as additional PTO days (10-14) that can be used for any reason.
The problem is that they are required to schedule those paid days off well in advance — which obviously doesn’t work for illness.
Obviously workers still end up taking time off when they are too sick to work…but then they aren’t paid for those days (and apparently can be “written up” for those absences, which is just nuts).
Clearly the rail companies are incentivizing people to come to work when sick, which is bad for the sick workers, and potentially dangerous for other workers, as well as being a potential safety issue for the broader public.
This article I have linked to below gets into the details of the “precision-scheduled railroading” management craze that underlies this madness — which itself is a subset of the “just-in-time-delivery” management system that underlies so much of our economy these days, and which leaves supply chains so vulnerable to disruption.
Basically it’s an attempt to maximize “efficiency” in a way that looks great on paper, and works reasonably well a the macro level as long as nothing ever goes wrong…but is subject to catastrophic failure when one or more things do go wrong.
And of course on the human level, it is guaranteed to fail the individual workers, who are treated as if they are machines that are supposed to somehow perform their duties on time every time, with no exceptions, with just “regularly scheduled maintenance” somehow planned in advance.
The overwhelming majority of Democrats in Congress (with one lone exception) voted to recognize the unsustainability and inhumanity of this approach and take a meaningful step to ameliorate it.
Whereas the overwhelming majority of Republicans (with a tiny handful of exceptions) voted to ignore the problem and deny workers the sick days.
Noting who voted how obviously doesn’t, in and of itself, solve the problem. But it’s a necessary and constructive part of “talking about this reality and agitating for it to change.”
The problem isn’t going away, negotiations for the next contract start again in two years. My guess is that most people have only just learned the details of the Kafkaesque policy railroad workers face when they’re sick — that’s certainly the case for me. If we all collectively forget for the next two years, that’s on us. Hopefully we don’t. I know I won’t.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/11/rail-strike-why-the-railroads-wont-give-in-on-paid-leave-psr-precision-scheduled-railroading.html
December 1, 2022 at 7:40 pm
Anonymous
Just Trollin: “brokering” is exactly right. Biden was acting as a “broker” between the rail workers’ unions and the railroad companies.
The rail companies opposed adding paid sick days and the union leadership favored adding them, but agreed to forgo them in favor of raises, bonuses and a freeze on health care costs. 8 out of the 12 unions voted to approve this deal (the remaining 4 voted against it).
As the “broker,” it wasn’t Biden’s job to tell the workers what they should prioritize. That’s not what a “broker” does.
Nonetheless, the overwhelming majority of Democrats in Congress voted in favor of adding the sick days and the overwhelming majority of Republicans voted against it.
You obviously wish to steer the conversation away from this highly inconvenient fact, which of course is entirely consistent with your role as the generic GOP troll dutifully regurgitating the prescribed GOP talking points.
That’s fine, no one here expects any better from you.
December 2, 2022 at 5:57 am
Anonymous
Speaking of which…
Just Trollin (11/30/22 7:01am “And magoo’s economy is still on fire…..as in “dumpster”….
Meanwhile, back in the real world, inflation easing, job market going strong:
December 2, 2022 at 5:59 am
Anonymous
https://www.wsj.com/articles/inflation-consumer-spending-personal-income-october-2022-11669854512
December 2, 2022 at 6:34 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
How quickly after the elections we forget about the
whiteworking class. Let’s not forget something about this episode, Ted Cruz voted for this and it’s noteworthy because his point going in was he was concerned about the workers, not union leadership. For all the bluster the right does about the working class one of them, one that can’t outrun his own hypocrisy as much as others, got it right.Disingenuous centrists call this phenomena of a disgruntled left sometimes aligning with the far right the horseshoe effect. But that’s not what is going on and it’s disingenuous because it assumes the “far” left and the “far” right are the extremes, they are not (at least not the left). The extreme is our center, the extreme is our economy and the center of our party is dedicated to preserving it at all costs.
Biden was not just a broker, he was an agent, let’s be very clear about that. If Sanders was President this would not have gone down the same way and I can’t think of another instance in the past two years where this distinction is as clear or the chance for a positive different solution is within the realm of possibility if not probability.
*This* is what the donors of the Democratic Party paid for when they did everything they could to elect any Democrat but Sanders (or Warren). The problem here wasn’t Manchin, it was the Biden Administration and very likely the union leadership too.
December 2, 2022 at 6:36 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
December 2, 2022 at 6:41 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
And I’m sure Mayor Pete’s stock within the donor class of our party quietly just rose quite a bit.
December 2, 2022 at 6:48 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
Sadly the person whose tweet I wished to link to above the last tweet has his account locked for privacy. He is a great follow. Here is his tweet that “MarchOnTheBoss” responded to above …
🐤Some reporter really should figure out who in the Biden admin wanted to do this and if it was Mayor Pete🐤
His handle is gabrielwinant and he is a historian at the University of Chicago.
December 2, 2022 at 6:54 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
Just re-upping this from bolithio yesterday because he is absolutely right and we should keep this episode in mind before we give the “both parties are the same” crowd too much grief. There is a grain of truth there and even though the voting difference was stark between the two, the vote tallies alone don’t tell the whole story. Please, let’s not kid ourselves by trying to tell ourselves the vote tally tells the *whole* story about how we imposed working conditions on American workers without paid sick leave.
The fact that our government is stepping in to force labor capitulation to big business is everything you need to know about American democracy.
December 2, 2022 at 8:42 am
Mitch
When labor supports labor, the politicians will follow. I get it that some people will never learn this, but politicians very rarely lead, and their leadership fails anyway if they aren’t followed.
December 2, 2022 at 10:05 am
Anonymous
….we should keep this episode in mind before we give the “both parties are the same” crowd too much grief. There is a grain of truth there…
And then there’s all the other grains of sand that make up the rest of the beach. The ones the “both parties are the same” crowd so studiously ignore and blithely dismiss.
I will continue to give plenty of grief to the “both parties are the same” crowd, both because they are so massively, idiotically wrong, and because their never-ending efforts to demoralize and discourage progressives from engaging constructively are a major factor standing in the way of the very goals they claim to support.
December 2, 2022 at 11:49 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
PA, whatever happened to Mr Persuasion? In order to win we need a coalition of voters. The center ain’t it. Perhaps trying the persuasion tactic which would include understanding that you are not always going to agree with all members of your (our) coalition.
We need to be able to criticize ourselves without going into a “Dems in disarray” panic and although misguided, that’s ultimately what the “both sides are the same” crowd are doing. In this case, they have a point and counting votes up missed it, perhaps intentionally.
Related, Eric apparently can’t even define what a Democrat is in the “Democrats are Confederates” thread. I believe the reason people like Dinesh D’Souza continue to be able to sell this bs to trolls like JT, who is clearly in the know, is we don’t own up to the fact that we were the party of the Confederacy. We were, then we kid the racists out and now the Republicans depend on them. Really simple.
Instead we are reduced to this…“”Democrats”, whatever that means”
https://kunsoo1024.wordpress.com/2022/11/30/yes-black-people-are-voting-in-large-numbers-in-georgia-and-yes-there-is-suppression/#comment-180243
December 2, 2022 at 11:50 am
bolithio
Massively wrong? Show me the results. Yes, there is considerable distinction between the two parties. The GOP, the party of cruelty, unabashed and overt allegiance to money. No progressives exist within their ranks. The democrats however, are a more diverse group. That is, while there is a ‘wing’ of progressives, the are also conservatives, and the majority of the party is made up of so-called centrists or moderates who tend to legislate toward right leaning policy. This has been a consistent trend our entire lives. Every democrat president has towed this line. From deregulation under Carter, to the hyper-capitalist privatizing under Clinton, wall street bail-outs under Obama, and more of the same with Biden. Literally volumes of books on this subject. Every democratic cabinet has been teeming with members of the corporate and industrial class.
Under Clinton, our military bombed Iraq, Bosnia, Sudan, Afghanistan, and Yugoslavia. Under Obama, routine airstrikes and military operations were carried out in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan. And god only knows all of the brutal and criminal acts the CIA has been running through all of this. The war machine has a clear friend in the mainstream Democratic party and always has. Just look at the contributions democrats take from Lockheed, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman. etc., etc., etc.
Over 100 democrats voted to invade Iraq. Including Joe Biden. And as you may have saw (video linked above), Biden gave George W Bush a very public and heartfelt award for his brave and just Iraq war.
While I can appreciate the virtue tone of the Democrats over the GOP, and will take my scraps along with the working class of this country with the blue team over the red….I will continue to give grief to “the parties have substantial economic and foreign policy differences” crowd – both because they simply dont, and to further the expansion of progressives in the party we need to agitate against the centrists and moderates who stand in the way of actual progress while campaigning as “pro” this or that (and then voting against those principles).
December 2, 2022 at 12:27 pm
Mitch
bolilthio,
Following the invasion of Ukraine, how do you feel about military spending?
December 2, 2022 at 12:47 pm
Eric Kirk
If the Fed and Administration manage to control inflation without recession or mass net layoffs, and the war is won in Ukraine within the next year, Biden with be invincible in 2024 – for better or worse.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/politics/white-house-economy-november-jobs-report/index.html
December 2, 2022 at 12:58 pm
Mitch
Really, all it takes to bring someone down is the American media and anything — a killer rabbit or bad helicopter part will do, as has been proven.
December 2, 2022 at 12:59 pm
Mitch
Or “Benghazi!”
December 2, 2022 at 3:07 pm
bolithio
Mitch, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has not changed my position on the USAs military spending, which is a disgusting, terrible nightmare reality. That is, trillions and counting, financed via a hyper-capitalist government that extracts the surplus value of labor to crush, exploit and murder people all over the earth for sole purpose of creating even more profit for capitalists.
Interesting you would think the Ukraine conflict would change ones view. What exactly are you getting at? That our intentions providing Ukraine with arms are good, or that by helping Ukraine its going absolve us of “past” mistakes?
My position remains informed by the fact the USA has launched over 200 military interventions abroad since 1991. These military operations are the ones our Government has published. That is to say, the number does not include covert and special operations.
December 2, 2022 at 3:12 pm
Mitch
I was just looking for confirmation. Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has had a very substantial impact on my prior attitude. It revealed to me that things I’d long thought were just wishful thinking, not things I could rely upon. This has happened to me quite a bit over my life, to the point where I tend to look with distrust upon everything I think, let alone what the crowd has to say.
December 2, 2022 at 3:13 pm
Mitch
Better sentence: It revealed to me that things I’d long thought were not things I could rely upon. That my thoughts were based on wishful thinking.
December 2, 2022 at 4:18 pm
Anonymous
A very thoughtful thread on the railway worker contract. Worth a read by anyone actually interested in how we got here — as opposed to those just looking for an opportunity to make rhetorical points in relation to their pre-existing intramural political grudges.
December 2, 2022 at 6:41 pm
Jon Yalcinkaya
Hilarious that you would find Magi Jay of all tweeters. She is an inter-mural political player and has blocked me. Of course that’s because I’m a purist who holds grudges while you all are thoughtful deliberators. We’ll get there on your all’s schedule, meanwhile railway workers, just don’t get sick.
December 3, 2022 at 5:06 am
Just Watchin
Yep….Twitter saved magoo’s ass. Illegitimate president…..
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/biden-campaign-requested-twitter-scrub-scandalous-hunter-biden-content-days-before-2020-election/
December 3, 2022 at 5:10 am
Just Watchin
At least one democrat had some integrity….
https://www.businessinsider.com/khanna-emailed-twitter-free-speech-concerns-over-hunter-biden-laptop-2022-12
December 3, 2022 at 7:06 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
Speaking of intramural grudges…this is not tweeted by a leftist, but a centrist celebrating the New Democratic primary schedule. “S*ck on this
whiteworking class.”I’m OK, btw, with the end of caucuses. This was always a goal of the anti-Sanders Democrats and they had a point, they are anti-democratic and biased against those that lack the time or capability to participate.
I also favor winning the entire working class not some kind of special focus on the WWC. (Remember, Eric’s direct quote was “Don’t write working class white people off.”) Well now Democratic Presidential candidates who are going to head to rural largely Republican-voting Midwestern communities, say in MI or PA, will at the same time have to sell their message to SC and GA, states with large populations of African Americans who nearly all vote for Democrats. This is why any special focus on WWC or not writing off white working class voter Charles and his family who lives next door to African American working class voter Linda must be an absolute non-starter in progressive politics, in fact we need to talk to Charles about why part of our movement *must* look at race and why and if circumstances were reversed, we’d be doing the same. In short defending solidarity as the core value of working class politics.
Having said all that denying there is a pre-existing intramural political battle between the neoliberal center and the left that understands the class struggle is part-and-parcel of this battle, is part of the strategy. It’s the real reason we can’t say “working class” in polite company, but instead must resort to middle class or working families.
December 3, 2022 at 7:11 am
Just Watchin
The reaction when magoo catches a whiff of baby powder in the air…..

December 3, 2022 at 7:17 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
And btw, here is Magi Jay extrapolating WWC out WC, exactly as Eric did, but for opposite reasons. She’s one of primary voice I listened to from 2018 to 2020 as the center had to rid itself of the threat from the left after 2018’s blue wave. With Hakeem Jeffries in the House and this primary schedule, they are consciously marginalizing the Democratic left and if you really favor a Sanders or Warren style Democratic President and majority you should at least recognize this and hopefully help to fight in this ongoing intramural political battle.
December 3, 2022 at 7:24 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
A reminder of the Democratic politics of GA and SC and that Democratic leadership knows exactly what it’s doing.
In the end, this is meant to make sure Democrats won’t let workers disrupt Christmas or the next election with a strike. After all, we are capitalists first and we have the middle class to think about too.
December 3, 2022 at 7:27 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
ICYMI. Tapper wasn’t having the BS.
December 3, 2022 at 7:34 am
Anonymous
It’s too bad that Tweeter blocked you Jon, because it’s a thoughtful and informative thread.
But your latest flurry of Straw Man filled and often-unintelligble-outside-your-own-head comments on this thread are a helpful reminder of why people may choose to avoid engaging with you.
So I can certainly understand someone not wanting to welcome that on their Twitter timeline.
December 3, 2022 at 10:34 am
Just Watchin
President magoo……bought and paid for…..
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/it-s-official-twitter-executives-purposely-censored-the-hunter-biden-laptop-story/ar-AA14Qmuv?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=c26ef9e50a664c85dae05bcd309f1585
December 3, 2022 at 10:39 am
Anonymous
December 4, 2022 at 6:09 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
But your latest flurry of Straw Man filled and often-unintelligble-outside-your-own-head comments on this thread are a helpful reminder of why people may choose to avoid engaging with you.
So I can certainly understand someone not wanting to welcome that on their Twitter timeline.
🤣. I really loved over this PA. You do not miss an opportunity. Kudos to you.
I did read Magi_Jays thread and she is saying the same thing as you; most Democrats voted the right way and Republicans the wrong way so shut up, sit down, and vote Democratic.
December 4, 2022 at 6:12 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
What legitimate intra-mural political divide within our party with the working class on one side and the donor class on the other? Nothing to see here, everything is fine.
December 4, 2022 at 6:25 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
And btw, this tweet which Magi_Jay characterized by meaning the “WWC” deserves to be highlighted. It’s from 2019, I searched it by search Magi’s TL by “WWC” and it predicts the outcome of this vote, that Congressional *Democrats *, lead by the neoliberal donor class establishment, would seek to impose a contract on workers that doesn’t even include paid sick leave. NO that has nothing to do with the WWC and YES, that has everything to do with the working class and votes like this drive the working class out of our party so we lose states like Ohio to clowns like JD Vance when they should be represented by Senators like Sherrod Brown.
December 4, 2022 at 6:26 am
Anonymous
“so shut up, sit down”
“Nothing to see here, everything is fine.”
So your response to that thread and my comments on it is…more Straw Men. How unsurprising.
December 4, 2022 at 10:21 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
If legislating workers to go back to work isn’t telling them to sit down and shut up, I don’t know what is. It’s not a straw man, it’s the epitome of the capital’s capture of both parties. Take a listen to Jake Tapper interviewing Major Pete if you haven’t already. Mayor Pete’s point is that we can’t legislate universal sick leave, which his administration would like to do, so we are stuck.
Here is the question though, if we can’t legislate universal sick leave benefits across the board due to a obstructionist second party, why are we as Democrats then shutting down the only power they as organized workers have to get it on their own?
“Sit down, shut up and let us enjoy Christmas. Thank you. Meanwhile, please don’t listen to Glenn Beck or Ted Cruz, remember, we are the ones that have your interests at heart, we *want* you to have sick leave.
December 4, 2022 at 10:25 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
The key to FDR was we understood and could name the enemy and that was the economic royalists. Well, as that Jake Tapper clip shows, they’ve no longer the enemy (used for a lack of a better word) they’ve captured the very party that is supposed to be pointing the figure at them instead of dictating what workers must do to try to negotiate a fair and humane contract.
December 5, 2022 at 6:34 am
Just Watchin
Seems a little like magoo gerrymandering…..
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/02/democrats-biden-2024-primaries-00071943