Somebody asked the question at LoCo, and Kim Bergel responded concisely.
Participation in politics is a good thing! We should have even more choices. But everything is framed by activists on all sides in pragmatic/strategic terms.
By the way, here is the LOWV forum for the 4th District race which took place on Wednesday evening. They really need to change the format. One minute responses are thoroughly inadequate, and we need debate formats where the candidates can engage with each other. Otherwise, it’s just simultaneous press conferences only sterilized.
That being said, I think all three candidates are relatively free of the jitters of the first two forums. They presented well according to their respective styles. Seemed more prepared.
Unfortunately, there is only one scheduled debate left that I know of, which is the Realtors thing next Wednesday. I’m not sure if it will be aired on any media.
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May 13, 2022 at 3:52 pm
Seth
Debates they are not. I am thankful the League of Women Voters forums I have seen thus far (4th District Supervisor and Auditor/Controller) have not taken on the form of those in Shasta County. They are nothing more than bully platforms and the LOWV have lost control over the forums, the candidates and attendees.
Candidate Quits Race for Shasta County’s Sake; Multiple Candidates Misbehave, Break Rules, Throw Tantrums
https://anewscafe.com/2022/05/06/redding/candidate-quits-race-for-shasta-countys-sake-multiple-candidates-misbehave-break-rules-throw-tantrums/
May 13, 2022 at 4:22 pm
Eric Kirk
I think there’s some ground in between. I have not learned anything from any LOWV debate, or excuse me, forum, in this county. Basically prepared or unprepared statements intended to fill up the 60 seconds. And it won’t stop anyone from throwing a tantrum.
May 14, 2022 at 8:54 am
Seth
Yup. I don’t know the AC candidates like you do so the exposure at that forum was helpful.
May 14, 2022 at 8:58 am
Henchman Of Justice
Real debates are not forums with moderators…
A real debate is show up and have at it freestyle…let the candidates steer the discussion, not pre-censored questions by no-namer shoulder-rubbers who want anonymity…
May 14, 2022 at 10:58 am
Not A Native
As is typical, Kirk’s link is wrong. Kirk’s attention/ability to details is lacking, Can’t believe he files legal papers accurately. Oh well. Accuracy among Humboldt’s soapboxers doesn’t matter much in HumCo. Likely it’s the reason Kirk is here instead of where occupational competence is a necessity.
Bergel’s response conflicts conflicts with Arroyo’s. That’s already a split. Historically, the fourth District is majority Conservative what with Virginia’s acclaim. it’s likely the race will be decided in June, though not as Arroyo hopes.
May 14, 2022 at 11:25 am
Eric Kirk
Not a Native – that doesn’t even make sense. Can Newman win with a plurality in June or can’t he? If he can, then I’m wrong. If he can’t, then you’re babbling nonsense.
May 14, 2022 at 3:45 pm
Henchman Of Justice
any of the 3 can prevail really, that is rare…
May 14, 2022 at 4:06 pm
Henchman Of Justice
In the 4th, are voters A) more conservative, B) more liberal or C) more independent non-affiliated… either of the 3 potentials, no way are all 3 candidates representative of the 3 aforementioned political potential leanings… Newman WILL NOT need worry about a splitting of vote, but Yoyo Arroyo and Nancy Bergel will worry…
…Newman advances with 25%+(receiving 95%+ of overall conservative voters), and Arroyo likely advances in a nail-biter over Bergel splitting the left’s vote 55%-45% or less (of overall liberal voters)… however, if the 5% give or take conservatives mostly vote for Bergel, then Bergel may squeak by both Newman and Arroyo…
…what Newman has going for him as a “wild-card” is all the negative news and sentiments toward liberalism going around with regard to liberal governance…national, state and locally… would not be surprised if Newman gets the most votes in Round 1, and a battle for Supe 4th District is on for a Round 2…
…personally, do not believe any candidate will get 50% + 1 in Round 1… but if any of the 3 can do it, bet on Newman…
May 15, 2022 at 4:13 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
Not a Native, historically Eureka was conservative? Yes, true, but since when?
Bass won only because she lied about her political affiliation, either to herself or to all of us. If she ran as a Republican I’d argue Chris Kerrigan wins in 2012.
Yes Democrats are a big tent party, but are we that big of party? Big enough of a tent to include Mike Newman (Virginia’s endorsement)? What about Rex Bohn? (Huffman’s, McGuire & Wood’s endorsement at least once)
Local conservatives really have to take advantage of CA’s law that local races are not partisan. Luckily, with parties endorsing candidates we’ve worked around the law but that is why it was so important for Bass and her husband to be active in the local Democratic Party. She needed that veneer of liberalism to win in an increasingly liberal & progressive Eureka. Also a shout-out to labor who have also helped us get here.
Having said that one never knows what is going to happen. Trump won after all. When you say Arroyo won’t win outright next month, but someone will, who do you think it will be? Newman? My best guess based only on my gut is he gets 20%. 51% vs 20%? That’s quite a difference in perspectives about the political make-up of Eureka. We’ll see, reality will likely split the difference which is Eric’s point, one Democrat will move on.
I think he is rooting for Bergel (or knows her and likes her and wants her to do well) but I think that would be a great loss for Eurekans if we get Bergel instead of Arroyo for reasons I’ve written about here before.
May 15, 2022 at 4:35 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
And btw, why vote for Bergel over Arroyo assuming you’d like the more progressive/liberal candidate to win? Is there a policy reason anyone can give me? And if not, for the umpteenth time, why bother splitting our vote? Because we can doesn’t mean we should.
Again, I think this is Eric’s take in this race because there is stuff he can’t say because of his political views or more likely his proximity to one or both candidates.
There is a clear favorite and you can tell the favorite by looking at the endorsements, and they are right btw, except for some reason, perhaps my most revered local politician, Linda Atkins.
I hate to pile on, I do, b/c I like Kim too, but I just looked again at the endorsement lists and *all three* ECC members have endorsed Natalie, from Castellano on the progressive side of things to Bauer who voted on lock-step with Bergel from the ECC meetings I have been able to watch.
ECC=Eureka City Council
May 15, 2022 at 5:31 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
Is the anger about #defundthepolice really about the slogan or is there a policy difference within our party? It seems like the more time passes under this administration the clearer it gets that even Democrats think the answer to more crime is doubling down on enforcement rather than addressing root issues such as, idontknow, capitalism without a working welfare system at the very least.
May 15, 2022 at 5:34 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
It’s not just the Biden Administration, we are proactively spending Covid money on law enforcement here in CA.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/07/covid-relief-funds-california-cities-police
May 15, 2022 at 7:54 am
Henchman Of Justice
Jon admitting he votes whichever way the endorsement stench blows…
…totally uninformed voter Jon is, uninformed…
…but guessing it is super easy to do nothing but make a choice based on who is endorsed more by organized insider shoulder-rubbers…
Jon, voters that vote on insider endorsements are voters who make society worse… it is that simple really… why…entrenching the entrenched who can never say,
“No, I do not desire any endorsements from organized insider shoulder-rubbers who have DIRTY fingers in the Game Of Election Thrones…”…
a personal favorite diss on endorsements is any cop organization…then any green organization, and so on…these organizations seem to want voters to think that without their endorsements, the candidate knows zilch and somehow needs their endorsement to all-of-a-sudden be legitimate…
Personally, as a candidate, Henchy’s response is, “Big Whoop on endorsements, Don’t Give A Flying Fuck”… DGAFF…
May 15, 2022 at 12:06 pm
Matthew Owen
Jon Y –
Like I used to say to the former publisher of the North Coast Journal, “You’re entitled to your own opinions, just not your own facts.”
Supervisor Virginia Bass ran against Chris Kerrigan in 2014, not 2012.
I’m sorry you don’t like Supervisor Virginia Bass’ political party registration as a Democrat. I’ll remind you that she and former Supervisor Bonnie Neely changed political parties a week apart in 2009. Yes, that Bonnie Neely who was former Humboldt County Republican of the Year.
You don’t get to decide who is a good Democrat and who isn’t. Especially since half the so-called “Democrats” in the Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee didn’t vote for their Democratic Presidential candidate in 2016 general election, including Karen Paz Dominguez.
In a non-partisan election, you can endorse anyone you want.
Do you know how many people in Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee have lawn signs at their home for Kim Bergel? This is in direct violation of Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee By-Laws of offering public support for a candidate when the Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee has endorsed another candidate (Natalie Arroyo). We can thank Heraldo for that!
May 15, 2022 at 12:52 pm
Eric Kirk
Eureka has voted for Virginia several times, and benefited from incumbency because as various studies have shown there is a good 10 to 20 percent who will always vote for the incumbent as long as things are going well for them. But from 2014 on every City Council race has gone well for progressives – in fact extremely well over the last two elections. Natalie Arroyo was in the most conservative ward and she crushed her opposition in the last election. Kim also crushed her opposition.
Newman doesn’t benefit from incumbency status. In fact, both Natalie and Kim do in a manner of speaking.
I doubt any of the three will get over 50 percent in June.
As Jon notes, Natalie has bagged most of the key endorsements. Her campaign is extremely well organized and if I was to bet I would say that she will win handily in November.
Newman seems like a nice guy, but his ducking the universal healthcare question in the KMUD debate was telling. Natalie and Kim had both thoroughly debunked his arguments against single payer and Newman had no come back. He “passed” on the follow-up. Granted, debate performance is rarely decisive, but I think in that moment he realized that he was already going to lose votes on that question and simply wasn’t prepared.
Conservative politics thrives on grievance and anger. That failed them in the last couple of election cycles as Eureka voters just haven’t been responding to that. Newman is taking a different approach to convince everyone he’s the nice competent business man to bring a “business perspective” to the Board. I think that’s better, but the white flight from Eureka over the past decade doesn’t leave him with the voter base his conservative predecessors had. And in my neighborhood alone, about a dozen “old guard” voters have either died or moved to senior care facilities. They’ve been replaced by families and younger voters, some of them not white. More than half of Eureka School District’s students are not white. The community here is changing, and this is hopefully the election where the Board flips.
And Jon – you’re right, Kim and I are friends, but I also consider Natalie a friend and I want them both to do well. I actually think Natalie will be in the state legislature at some point.
But what I like about Kim is that you see what you have in her. There is no “pol” in her. And while she may not be a “pure” progressive, she is progressive and will listen to you. Intently. That’s actually how we became friends. She has won two elections as a working class single mother and she is everywhere to be seen in the community. She ran because the Jefferson Center had been rejected by the City Council and wanted to turn the attitude around as it was clear that the conservative majority at the time were voting at the behest of CR’s top guy, whatever his name was who wanted that property for CR. She has the right impulses and is continuously educated herself on politics and the issues. And while her presentation might not fit into the patriarchy’s notions of “professionalism,” do not mistake it for a lack of intelligence, ability, or depth. Two opponents have so far suffered from underestimating her.
But she is the working class everywoman we need in politics. I saw her in that light before we became friends.
May 15, 2022 at 1:04 pm
Eric Kirk
Especially since half the so-called “Democrats” in the Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee didn’t vote for their Democratic Presidential candidate in 2016 general election, including Karen Paz Dominguez.
I’m pretty sure most of them voted for Bernie in the primary and Clinton in the general. I don’t know about Karen on that score, but I do know about some of the others.
May 15, 2022 at 2:57 pm
humboldturtle
Matthew, how much is her pension, and do you think it’s safe?
May 15, 2022 at 3:30 pm
Eric Kirk
Do you know how many people in Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee have lawn signs at their home for Kim Bergel? This is in direct violation of Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee By-Laws of offering public support for a candidate when the Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee has endorsed another candidate (Natalie Arroyo). We can thank Heraldo for that!
I don’t know who they are, but I would assume that whatever rules apply to the Committee members probably do not apply to their spouses or housemates.
May 15, 2022 at 3:39 pm
humboldturtle
Also: Bonnie Neely had existing credibility with the left and did not flip to the Dems out of simple convenience, as witnessed by the emergence of Dems for Neely in 2006, which basically kept her in office.
May 15, 2022 at 3:41 pm
humboldturtle
The central committee didn’t even endorse that year. The good old days.
May 15, 2022 at 3:58 pm
Jon Yalcinkaya
“I’m sorry you don’t like Supervisor Virginia Bass’ political party registration as a Democrat. I’ll remind you that she and former Supervisor Bonnie Neely changed political parties a week apart in 2009. Yes, that Bonnie Neely who was former Humboldt County Republican of the Year.”
Matthew, I learned so much from you from that one meeting we had back in, must have been 2014 (thanks for the correction, my morning math was horrendous). Can we share who you admired in college? If I remember correctly you said you had a poster of him up in your dorm room and it didn’t sound like it was to throw darts at him.
I’m so glad the bylaws wars are over, for me at least. You are welcome to spin your wheels at them. You and Richard Marks used the bylaws controversies to great effect during Virginia’s run as a great way to create your own brand of grievance politics while also muddying the waters as to how conservative Virginia was and how out of step she was with the progressive/liberal/leftist/union voting majority that was building in Eureka.
But welcome to irrelevance Matthew (I’ve known it my entire life). I used to really worry about you but that all has changed after Lamb’s loss in 2018 (right?) to Leslie Castellano despite Leslie not being able to garner a HCDCC endorsement as she was/is? not a Democrat and then your loss (out of kindness I won’t qualify that word) in 2020.
In 2020 in the ECC race I was really worried about splitting the vote between Bauer and Welsh as I was convinced you’d slip in with a plurality. I’m disappointed Welsh didn’t win but I’m really glad your ward understood that you were not the one to represent them. They got a real progressive – at least on the environment, if not on houselessness and the poor and disenfrancished.
May 15, 2022 at 4:04 pm
Jon Yalcinkaya
But honestly, about being a good Democrat, you are more right than wrong and more in line with the current Democrats leadership represented by those who endorsed Henry Cuellar in TX than I am. I think many of them also have a soft spot for that guy you admired in college, if not consciously, then unconsciously as they don’t understand how much our country, and the Democratic Party, remain committed to the idea that, even if his 9 word credo about the government might have been a bit hyperbolic, especially as Democrats are seeking government office themselves, he ain’t entirely wrong.
May 15, 2022 at 4:07 pm
Jon Yalcinkaya
I might be wrong about the Welsh/Bauer/Owen election being in 2020 too. 🙂 It’s tough to keep track as we get older.
May 15, 2022 at 4:17 pm
Henchman Of Justice
HT, Bonnie Neely switched to win because had she not switched, she’d had lost…no endorsement because of flip-flopping…the Local DNC voting for an immediate republican transfer would look bad…🤷♂️
May 15, 2022 at 4:30 pm
Henchman Of Justice
Newman seems like a nice guy, but his ducking the universal healthcare question in the KMUD debate was telling. Natalie and Kim had both thoroughly debunked his arguments against single payer and Newman had no come back. He “passed” on the follow-up. Granted, debate performance is rarely decisive, but I think in that moment he realized that he was already going to lose votes on that question and simply wasn’t prepared.
Conservative politics thrives on grievance and anger. That failed them in the last couple of election cycles as Eureka voters just haven’t been responding to that. Newman is taking a different approach to convince everyone he’s the nice competent business man to bring a “business perspective” to the Board. I think that’s better, but the white flight from Eureka over the past decade doesn’t leave him with the voter base his conservative predecessors had. And in my neighborhood alone, about a dozen “old guard” voters have either died or moved to senior care facilities. They’ve been replaced by families and younger voters, some of them not white. More than half of Eureka School District’s students are not white. The community here is changing, and this is hopefully the election where the Board flips.
EK is very assumptious…implying only whites are conservative leaning if they are old and decrepit and live elsewhere…
…btw, none of the candidates know jack shit on healthcare…not even the elected legislature know what the fuck they signed on too… but Henchy will give ya this without argument,
“Natalie and Kim had both thoroughly debunked his arguments against single payer and Newman had no come back.”
Why?🤷♂️
Simple:
Because EK claims Newman is against “single-player”…which implies Arroyo and Bergel are in favor of single payer instead of universal…
…against?🤷♂️…more like Arroyo and Bergel make little sense except that they both desire everyone pay 100% of their own medical services… which may be why Newman would not have a comeback…realising there was no response necessary when 2 other candidates argue for single-payer…
Personally, all 3 being pro-single-payer is GREAT…👍
Lastly, this here,
“Conservative politics thrives on grievance and anger”…
…funny, but if liberals cause it, liberals can’t aquit it…
May 15, 2022 at 4:51 pm
Eric Kirk
Henchman – in the first part of the answers Newman said he opposed single payer. So if he supports it, why is he taking a different public position?
May 16, 2022 at 6:10 am
Anonymous
HOJ: She won, though…one more time 🙂
May 16, 2022 at 7:42 am
Henchman Of Justice
EK, as was submitted…none of the candidates know Jack-Shit on healthcare…local voters should get educated, wise-up-to-that-fact… not even legislators understand the colossal clusterfuck they created with the ACA…
…as far as Newman thinking…idk, no answer is going to be worthy other than…either folks pay for their own healthcare 100% or buy-in as socialists where everyone is paying…
…maybe Newman does not support the current ideas on single-payer or realized in that moment he is against single-payer because those who can pay 100% of their healthcare costs would have to pay 100%…why ya think fire districts do not charge folks an assessment based upon actual property/land values or actual square footage lot coverage, etc…or beyter yet, charge after costs have arised for specific service…because making simple categories helps the wealthier not pay as much, and the political kickbacks are all about maintaining that imbalance…plus, more money stolen to pay the ever-increasing bloated wages and unnecessary toys that public safety personnel are receiving in a big funding conspiracy…
…as far as arguing to debunk someone who is supposedly against single-payer… the two women only showed that they support single-payer when focusing effort to argue for it by arguing against the guy who is against it…
…why debunk something if ya don’t already agree that “the something” you are debunking is not something you support anyways… that is how dumb both women are, really stupid in fact…and neither know any more about healthcare than the rest of us… 2 not-so dumb-ass women could have just stated, “against single-payer too” if their self-motivated egos were really not in favor of single-payer…
SMH…🤷♂️
May 16, 2022 at 7:48 am
Henchman Of Justice
…and one more time…
“Personally, all 3 being pro-single-payer is GREAT…👍”
👍
May 16, 2022 at 9:50 am
Henchman Of Justice
… a reality that more than likely implies the 2 liberal candidates were arguing a non-argumentative choice on healthcare, as a planned co-op, to attempt to capture conservative votes by grandstanding to create an impression that the conservative candidate is not-up-to-task, not informed, etc… such that some conservative leaning voters might flip their vote to one or the other liberal candidate…
…call it strategy, call it a conspiracy for political gains for a “run-off or outright victory”, call it whatever ya want… does not mean “The Call” is accurate…
…but what really obviously shows is…desperation for separation between the two liberal candidates… hoping to siphon some votes from conservatives, going so far to engage an attack on an ally even though all 3 agree on the regime they do not support…
🤷♂️
May 16, 2022 at 10:27 am
Eric Kirk
The Single Payer question is asked at about 41 minutes. Somewhere around 46 minute Newman says that Single Payer is a “lose situation” and that government bureaucracy takes longer than the private sector (he has obviously never dealt with insurance company bureaucracy, which is even slower and more convoluted than government because it’s deliberate).
The two women ring his clock in their rebuttals and he basically runs away.
[audio src="https://archive.kmudfm.org/mp3/kmud_220509_190000montalk.mp3" /]
May 16, 2022 at 10:51 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
Mitch, if you happen to see this what do you think about Newman’s answer?
It seems to me this was one of the first arguments we had on here, which is more efficient (for some economic sectors, not all) public or private. I’ve never found a study which shows that the public sector can be more efficient (or in other words has a lower overhead) and if I recall you wanted proof. This was years ago so memory might be hazy.
May 16, 2022 at 11:29 am
Mitch
Medicare is WAY more efficient than private insurers. Of course, it is not run by Humboldt DHHS.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/sep/20/bernie-sanders/comparing-administrative-costs-private-insurance-a/
May 16, 2022 at 11:34 am
Mitch
The thing you have to understand is private companies have an incentive to spend money to get the “right” people to sign on and to keep the “wrong” people off. They also spend money on marketing that would be completely unnecessary in a single-payer system. There is no reason, IMO, for private health insurance to exist, any more than we need fire departments advertising their services and competing by coloring their engines pretty colors and showing ads with pretty people.
May 16, 2022 at 11:39 am
Mitch
If anyone’s interested, this book is IMO superb:
https://www.anamericansickness.com/
May 16, 2022 at 1:11 pm
Eric Kirk
My wife had a triple hernia surgery postponed on the night before it was scheduled, all because the physician had not sent the documentation through the Blue Shield “portal” and had managed to lose the hard copies which had been mailed – and then demanded photographs which were never even looked at. Later, because the closing aspect of the operation is a procedure which is, outside of hernia surgery context, “elective” it was rejected because the reviewing physician was not provided the full context of the necessity of the procedure, delaying surgery several more months. As a result, the surgery was performed nearly a year after its necessity was first ascertained by the neurosurgeon. This would not have happened with single payer as each facility would have a relationship with a single person or at least office, rather than having to deal with numerous insurance plans and their quirky adjustors.
May 16, 2022 at 4:50 pm
Henchman Of Justice
EK, now your ambitions are to claim the 2 liberal candidates were attacking the conservative candidate because they were… what… arguing that single-payer is a win-situation… that is petty and opinionated campaigning by the 2 liberal candidates…
…if all 3 candidates oppose single-payer, it is grandstanding for the 2 liberal candidates to then attack an ally when all 3 ALREADY oppose the same thing…
…further, it shows the 2 liberal candidates are not capable of common ground or bringing people together acting-out such a shenanigan…but hey, the 2 liberal candidates are desperate when splitting the liberal vote…
All the conservative had to do was sit-back and let the 2 idiot candidates bash away, the 2 liberals were making fools of themselves in that moment…
…arguing over nothing…not reputable…
…back-stabbing an ally… not reputable…
…wasting time… not reputable…
For The Record, The 2 idiot liberal candidates proved Newman right,
“…Newman says that Single Payer is a “lose situation” and that government bureaucracy takes longer than the private sector…”.
Guess the 2 liberal candidates like to take a long time, and in doing so, burn bridges of support…
May 16, 2022 at 4:56 pm
Eric Kirk
Henchman, if you don’t want to come across as a total moron, actually listen to the exchange before commenting on it. I provided the link and the time of the exchange. I never said the word “attack,” but they “attacked” his facts, not him personally. And he had no response.
May 17, 2022 at 7:54 am
Henchman Of Justice
EK, The echange was a waste of time, the end result is,
“3 allies agree on opposing single-payer…consensus…but then one of the allies is attacked by the other 2… even though they agree…”
Ya know, going around accusing people of putting words into your mouth, your writing is… weak cheese…
Quite defensive EK is, ya know, when responding to morons… guess the evidence prevents an offensive by EK because the facts are proven…🤷♂️
May 17, 2022 at 8:07 am
Henchman Of Justice
Newman played it cool, calm and collected, let the 2 female liberal candidates bash away with their opinions as to why Newman was apparantly a bad guy for agreeing with them in opposing single payer too…
…the 2 liberals are susceptible, splitting the vote is mean territory…
May 17, 2022 at 8:42 am
Henchman Of Justice
_b>…but it is an interesting campaign model at a forum… all candidates agree on what they oppose, but then 2 candidates desire to keep on ramblin’ using a rebuttal to waste time attacking the consensus 3-0 vote to oppose single-payer…on an issue that a county supervisor has zero jurisdictional powers, duties or responsibilities… desperation for separation with liberal votes…
…has a reminiscent feel to it…like that all female ECC candidate public relations ploy to attack the male candidates using an invented internal document, even though the male candidates were secretly locked-out from the proceedings…
Ex. : everyone agrees…but that is not good enough…so, female candidates in Eureka a few years back (Arroyo and Bergel included) invented their own “new media arguments”…specifically, “write something on paper, and wave it around as a political duping prop to make bogus claims, argue bogus opinions about the male candidates”…
Sure, there is only 1 male candidate this go around for a higher elected seat, but it is the same tactic Arroyo and Bergel are pulling faces with…
…do not think for a moment that people can’t see what Arroyo and Bergel did… there is historical evidence of both liberal candidates that proves the tactic…
…which is why letting the 2 liberal candidates bash away was the best response and proved the 2 liberal candidates will waste time with nonsensical opinions after consensus, ya know, when given an opportunity…
May 17, 2022 at 8:43 am
Henchman Of Justice
…but it is an interesting campaign model at a forum… all candidates agree on what they oppose, but then 2 candidates desire to keep on ramblin’ using a rebuttal to waste time attacking the consensus 3-0 vote to oppose single-payer…on an issue that a county supervisor has zero jurisdictional powers, duties or responsibilities… desperation for separation with liberal votes…
…has a reminiscent feel to it…like that all female ECC candidate public relations ploy to attack the male candidates using an invented internal document, even though the male candidates were secretly locked-out from the proceedings…
Ex. : everyone agrees…but that is not good enough…so, female candidates in Eureka a few years back (Arroyo and Bergel included) invented their own “new media arguments”…specifically, “write something on paper, and wave it around as a political duping prop to make bogus claims, argue bogus opinions about the male candidates”…
Sure, there is only 1 male candidate this go around for a higher elected seat, but it is the same tactic Arroyo and Bergel are pulling faces with…
…do not think for a moment that people can’t see what Arroyo and Bergel did… there is historical evidence of both liberal candidates that proves the tactic…
…which is why letting the 2 liberal candidates bash away was the best response and proved the 2 liberal candidates will waste time with nonsensical opinions after consensus, ya know, when given an opportunity…
May 17, 2022 at 8:51 am
Henchman Of Justice
…consensus is not good enough, the two liberal candidates must find something to attack their ally with… and they’ll use all the time provided to go backwards with nonsense…
May 17, 2022 at 9:02 am
Henchman Of Justice
…lastly, the tactic used by Arroyo and Bergel in the ECC example is no different than what EK claims has occured against A/C Paz…
…and this is where EK loses credibility over partisanship elections, governance…
…If something is not good, it should apply across the board regardless of “who is involved”…
May 17, 2022 at 9:52 am
Eric Kirk
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
In the end, Natalie and Kim strongly support single payer. Newman opposes it, but doesn’t really understand his own position.
May 17, 2022 at 4:58 pm
humboldturtle
Has Single-Payer become the left’s MAGA?
May 18, 2022 at 5:26 am
Jon Yalcinkaya
A belated thank you Mitch for the 11:34 response on Monday. I agree and I think you’ve identified the two greatest inefficacies of the private sector generally; a) internalizing profits and externalizing costs and b) marketing budgets.
*If* the goal of any policy is to cover or protect or serve *all* rather than a selected subset then we really should be considering the public sector rather than the private and I think we’ve moved so far to the right in this country that even Democrats won’t make this very basic argument for increasing the roll of government.
May 18, 2022 at 7:47 am
Henchman Of Justice
EK, in the end, you reveal that you decided to “toy around” instead of expressing facts out the gate straight-up… and rather, EK gives his version that excludes information (like the Paz report EK complains had engaged in too)…
…then EK starts the name-calling and provides a bad link (no straight-connect to audio) as if a punishment to make someone search … read similar to A/C spat…
…all EK had to do originally was OPENLY admit that the 2 liberal candidates support single-payer (if true) and provide a link that works directly… but nope, EK wanted to be just like LOCO, stir the pot of misinformation, play hard to get.. but the EK version… classic case of designed media messaging…redact certain facts to muddy waters for those interested in “what”…
…as Henchy responded in kind for either scenario as unredacted from EK’s version of events that apparantly avoided factual details…
…of course, it is all an “apparantly” and “allegedly” when reading EK scribes…
…funny though, EK parroting, claiming the non-liberal candidate does not really understand his own position… oh, yes that non-liberal candidate does understand his position whether people agree or not… but EK is the ultimate mind-reader…
Splitting the vote is real… and desperation for separation between 2 liberal candidates is also real…
…if the audio reveals a candidate conceding (implying uncle, uncle) on the healthcare issue as a lose-situation (as EK stated), then the 2 liberal candidates look even worse attacking someone who conceded on the issue…
So, at this time, EK is the spokesperson for Arroyo and Bergel…and the critique is that the spokesperson takes a long time to be factually straight-up forward and to the point…
But clearly now, finally EK lays out the red carpet for breaking news…
The 2 liberal candidates are Pro-Single-Payer…
May 19, 2022 at 8:25 am
Henchman Of Justice
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/coronavirus-crisis-hasn-t-changed-joe-biden-s-mind-medicare-n1172361
progressives and Biden disagree, not surprising…
Single-Payer plans were being hatched in the 1990’s…
Single-Payer plans are just that, a plan…
Problem is…Government decides whether or not you get service…
Everyone gets a plan, but it does not mean a delivery of service…
Single-Payer is a play off of the many decades old complaints that people pay for their own health care 100%, that healthcare is not a right, but a privilege…
…of course, progressives using coronavirus to debate single-payer as a human right…of course, that requires admission that the government intentionally sabotaged the health of people using a bio-weaponized virus from a foreign ally…China… but nope, progressives argue loss of employment (lockdowns, money woes) as reason to claim healthcare is a right… instead of acknowledging the trojan horses that exist…
Healthcare has never been, nor will it ever be considered an actual human right… despite attempts by “goverment types”…
… progressives must believe it is a human right to tax people too…
Man-made versus inalienable human rights…healthcare falls way short…especially since the progressives and many others view it as a right to STEAL from others to provide for themselves…
May 19, 2022 at 8:32 am
Henchman Of Justice
…that stated…progressives are getting the results they desire in pollings…using lack of money to justify something being a right…
…however, people who believe they do not have a privilege because they have no money, and as such, claim that what they do not have is a right that they should have… says as much as there is to say about the trajectory of the USA… and it looks aweful…