Everything Southern Humboldt and more
Andy, whose views tend to be a little more conservative than mine, will join me on All Things Reconsidered this Thursday evening at 7:00 on KMUD. Thing is, some of his views aren’t all that much different from some of the lefties around here. Should be an interesting discussion.
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June 19, 2012 at 9:42 am
Joel Mielke
He probably knows as much about economics as he does about the middle east.
June 19, 2012 at 10:07 am
Ernie Branscomb
Joel
You don’t have to know very much about economics to know that the ultra-wealthy have made a fortune shipping our dollar offshore. When we ran out dollars we mortgaged our grandchildren’s future and printed more. The can is now at the end of the road. There won’t be any bailouts. Crunch time. This time the wealthy will take up residences on desert islands and let the rest of the word suffer.
How to plan our suffering is our only option. The middle east will have to learn how to do without dollars also.
June 19, 2012 at 10:19 am
Anonymous
On the bright side of the gloom is that housing starts are the highest they have been in four years.
http://www.census.gov/construction/nrc/pdf/newresconst.pdf
June 19, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Finrod Felagund
It’s not just the economy that’s going to apocalyze…
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Looking-Back-on-the-Limits-of-Growth.html
June 19, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Jane
Andy is great. I love Andy. I don’t always agree with him but he’s still great in my book. I’ll be listening.
June 19, 2012 at 7:24 pm
j67k
@Finrod, As depressing as that chart is, it’s probably going to be worse. Since that only shows the population decrease due to lack of resources (mainly food). There are 3 other horses besides famine, and one giant elephant the bible writers never knew of – ecological collapse.
Although, maybe that’s what the apple story was really about. If you eat too many of the worlds apples, you get kicked out… As in extinction. This time we’ll have a hard time blaming it on women.
June 20, 2012 at 8:24 am
Andrew Stunich
I do not necessarily refer to the situation as an economic apocalypse although it may well be. It may also simply be a situation wherein we slowly but surely continue to slide economically. I can say one thing: If you fell asleep in Detroit in 1959 and awakened in 2012, you would sure think that some type of apocalyptic event had occurred.
June 20, 2012 at 8:25 am
who
so,do we lay down,or learn how to survive
June 20, 2012 at 10:46 am
Eric Kirk
It’s tongue in cheek Andy. See you tomorrow night!
June 20, 2012 at 11:50 am
Stephen
The counterculture fell asleep after the ’60’s and early ’70’s, that’s for sure as the Lefties took over and thereby destroyed the real radical heart of this movement which wasn’t politically but spiritually motivated. That secularization of the counterculture still continues as this blog shows most every day. Bean counters replace protest demonstrators but both are passe cliches that time has proven are dead end ways to really change America’s economic system, one of the worst in the world for democratizing the wealth produced by the whole society.
There is only one solution to the economic plight of a have nation forced to abdicate position at the top of the economic food chain of world corporate capitalism: that is development of community self-sufficiency systems, the only way to take one off the corporate capitalist grid and the only way to keep globalization of the American lifestyle standard from happening. Retool our community support systems and export that instead of jobs. But I expect this truism to be ignored by our self-selected economic and political pundits yakking on and on about the price of bean-counting votes and other irrevelancies that keep the counterculture community distracted and co-opted from their original purpose.
June 20, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Anonymous
Joel Joel Joel. WTF do you know about the middle east? Or economics? You’ re just a left leaning leftie that is just toooo impressed with himself!
But of course Joel knows everything about everthing!
What about politics? The Constitution ? What about AG Eric Holder?
June 20, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Joel Mielke
Compared to anonymous commenters I know a lot about the middle east. Compared to gun nuts and teabaggers, I’m veritable constitutional scholar. This isn’t saying much, so I’m not impressed with myself.
Eric Holder? He’s untrustworthy and unethical. It seems to be a requirement for Attorneys General in case you haven’t noticed.
June 20, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Anonymous
Mresquan, so you say because someone posts as anonymous they don’t know anything? If they are anonymous how can you know?
Didn’t you post under an fake name (mresquan) ? Until you were outed and now use your real name.
Not sure what to think, we agree on Eric Holder? Oh my.
June 21, 2012 at 7:52 am
Joel Mielke
Right-wingers tend to think that executive privilege was good when Bush did it. It’s only bad when Obama does it.
June 21, 2012 at 8:40 am
Anonymous
Joel you toss out terms “gun nuts”, “teabaggers”, and “right-wingers”. What would a rational thinking person name you ?
It is kind of amusing that whenever a “left-winger” or “semi radical democrat” defends the actions of one of there own they almost always say …….. well some republican did this or that in the past. Seldom addressing the issue at hand. Kind of like two wrongs make a right.
June 21, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Joel Mielke
I aired my my grievances against Bill Clinton for eight years. Sorry if poor Anonymous wasn’t paying attention. I can understand why he cannot understand what “a rational thinking person” might think.
June 22, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Thorstein Veblen
Andy, if you fell asleep in Detroit in 1492, and awoke in 2012, you would think an apocalyptic event had taken place.
It would be great to live in a world with only 1 billion people in it. We could ravage resources, dump our shit where we want, blow each other up, adjust for elevated ocean levels, etc. But, we passed that milestone some time ago. Solutions which would work then, won’t now.
Couple that with the takeover of our planet by the capitalizts, and you have a real serious problem for our kids and grandkids. Less government regulation ain’t gonna fix it, sorry.
Love you Andy. Takes courage to put yourself out there.