Supervisor Clif Clendenen will join me to discuss the latest developments in the General Plan Update. Call-in format as usual. 7:00 p.m.
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September 19, 2012 at 2:15 pm
ICU812
Does anyone care what a lame duck supervisor say’s? Why not talk with the elected supervisor and what she will do with the GPU!
September 20, 2012 at 7:25 am
Eric Kirk
Clif is the Supervisor right now. Estelle will have her turn.
September 20, 2012 at 9:43 am
JDoe
So glad you have Cliff on Eric. I like the man. Voted for him. And would again in a heartbeat. It is too bad that when we get someone in office that has a basic good character but doesn’t grandstand enough or put a mask to get elected people feel the need to replace a good man with the standard political facade.
September 20, 2012 at 11:35 am
ICU812
Since when do people take turns being supervisors, I thought they were elected, you know, there is a winner and a loser. So what your saying Eric, you would rather talk with a loser about what he thinks now over what the winner will be working for in the next four years?
September 20, 2012 at 1:27 pm
tra
ICU812, Well you’re entitled to your opinion that you’d rather have heard an interview with Estelle Fennel rather than Clif Clendenen, but that seems like a gratuitously obnoxious way of putting it.
At any rate, I’m sure Estelle will be on KMUD plenty, hopefully including Eric’s show.
For my part, I’m interested in Clendenen’s take on the most recent GPU kerfuffle.
September 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm
ICU812
Thank you tra, I can now go to my maker knowing I have no unfinished business.
I guess I should have said he lost instead of being the loser. Point well taken. And your right, Clendenen doen’t have anything to lose by talking about it.
September 20, 2012 at 4:25 pm
ED Denson
ICU812 might want to consider that Clif is still casting votes and will be the Supervisor until Estelle’s term beings. Perhaps the board will approve the GPU before Estelle gets into the chair? It’s worth finding out what’s happening in the near future, I would think.
September 21, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Anonymous
Nice show Eric. Nice people you and Clif. Can not say the same thing about Estelle Fennell.
What the Hell has happened to the KMUD news? It is meaningless and has no relevance.
September 21, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Eric Kirk
So what your saying Eric, you would rather talk with a loser about what he thinks now over what the winner will be working for in the next four years?
While he is still Supervisor, yes.
September 22, 2012 at 8:18 am
ICU812
I did come away from your radio program confirming why Clif lost the election. The only part of the program that made since came from your callers. It was the second caller that reminded us all we don’t own our property or water rights, never have and never will.
And the oxymora of HumCPR and the GPU lives on forever, perpetuating the myth, as they take your money. Sure you can talk about shoulda, coulda, woulda till the cows come home, and that changes what?.
As to you commet above, Clendenen had four years to make a difference, what can he do for the 2nd District in the next 3 months?
September 22, 2012 at 12:36 pm
gpf
Clif’s understanding of the TPZ, and his equating it with the Williamson
Act shows his poor understanding of the obligation of land owners in these zones. Very different situations.
His views on the appropriatness of residences on TPZ smacks of an urban-based ideology. I will be looking forward to January.
September 22, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Eric Kirk
Urban based ideology? In any other political context you would simply have said “smacks of liberalism,” which would be accurate. But the intricacies of local politics make it a little more complicated, don’t they?
what can he do for the 2nd District in the next 3 months?
His job. Work through the GPU. I suspect that despite recent election results, there may not be the political will to nix the whole thing, so a lot of work has to be done.
September 22, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Anonymous
@gpf “His views on the appropriatness of residences on TPZ smacks of an urban-based ideology. I will be looking forward to January”
Clif is right. Building on TPZ turns into rural residential. Call a spade a spade. Building on TPZ should not be allowed.
September 22, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Anonymous
@ Eric Kirk “I suspect that despite recent election results, there may not be the political will to nix the whole thing, so a lot of work has to be done.”
Estelle promised people the GPU would be nixed and re-written by CAG’s and working groups that she is putting together.
September 22, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Eric Kirk
But it looks like she won’t have Ryan’s vote to do so, and I seriously question whether she will have Virginia’s. Sometimes when politics swing too far one way or another, a new moderation takes hold. All eyes will be on Virginia, and despite my differences with some of her politics, I think she is a very reasonable woman.
September 22, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Twigs
Let’s cross our fingers and hope Virginia has a strong spine. Sadly, the bullies have arrived on the block and they’ve had years of practice on subverting, dodging, and getting their way. We all need to hold their feet to the fire and keep everyone on the high road. Don’t blink or it is going to be a long dirty few years until the next election.
September 22, 2012 at 3:43 pm
tra
“Clif is right. Building on TPZ turns into rural residential. Call a spade a spade. Building on TPZ should not be allowed.”
Nonsense. For the umpteenmillionth time, putting a house on one little corner of a TPZ parcel does not magically turn the whole parcel into “residential.” Trees keep growing on the rest of the parcel, timber can be harvested when the market it better, and in the meantime forest habitat remains — and with good management, can even be improved.
September 22, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Anonymous
Nonsense. For the umpteenmillionth time, putting a house on one little corner of a TPZ parcel does not magically turn the whole parcel into “residential.” Trees keep growing on the rest of the parcel, timber can be harvested when the market it better, and in the meantime forest habitat remains — and with good management, can even be improved.
Yes, it’s a win win just like the Bush tax cuts!
September 22, 2012 at 5:07 pm
ICU812
Yeah Eric, “urban-based ideology” gpf got that one right. Clif is about smart growth and it doesn’t work in small towns or unincorporated rual places like SoHum, far away from any metropolitan area, oh yeah and no water. Can you name one?
Please name one thing Clif has done for the 2nd District that will be remembered, besides that Sonny and Cher drag-dress-up thing.
September 22, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Eric Kirk
Can you name one?
West Sonoma County. West Marin County. Half Moon Bay coastside from Devil’s Slide to the Santa Cruz county border, and actually down past Davenport as well. Much of the Olympic peninsula in Washington State. Portions of the Oregon Coast, though some of the measures came too late particularly at the north end. But I guess it’s subjective. I’m sure would-be developers will argue that it “didn’t work” because they didn’t get their projects through.
Where did it fail, because it was too little too late? The two best known examples in California are South Lake Tahoe and Carmel Valley, both places where we could have heard “it can never happen.” Lots of areas on the valley too, where prime farm land is being covered over by housing developments out in the middle of nowhere.
September 22, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Anonymous
Please name one thing Clif has done for the 2nd District that will be remembered———-BUS SERVICE
September 23, 2012 at 8:19 am
gpf
So Anonymous, you say “Clif is right. Building on TPZ turns into rural residential. Call a spade a spade. Building on TPZ should not be allowed.”
OK anonymous, what is your objective? The reason for a TPZ is to preserve timberland. A residence on a parcel with timber does not diminish the timber preserve, which is either being harvested (and all taxes paid) or is being left standing for the future to decide. This leads me to beiieve that your true objective is to limit the ability of landowners to build in rural areas for reasons other than timber resource protection, For you the TPZ is a lever at hand, modified, to pry the people off their land. This is dishonest and myopic. Too bad Clif is beholden to you people.
September 23, 2012 at 8:21 am
Anonymous
“But it looks like she won’t have Ryan’s vote to do so, and I seriously question whether she will have Virginia’s. Sometimes when politics swing too far one way or another, a new moderation takes hold. All eyes will be on Virginia, and despite my differences with some of her politics, I think she is a very reasonable woman.”
And what has overconfidence and misassessments gotten the anti crowd so far? It might be a fundimental mistake to read a momentary hesitation as a lack of committment. But hey, it’s better to lose everything than accept reality.
September 23, 2012 at 8:23 am
gpf
Bus Service? Didn’t Clif also invent the internet?
September 23, 2012 at 9:53 am
Anonomous
Everyone is happy that we have bus service but to imply that Mr. Clendenan created the bus service for SoHum is beyond a huge stretch. The bus service was already in the works before he was in office. He added another yes vote with the other Supes when they voted on it, but he didn’t create it.
September 23, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Anonymous
I didn’t support Clif and think that he was deliberately vague in his real positions on the General Plan during the campaign (and really still) but the guy has worked pretty hard on a whole variety of issues including bus service. Give him a little credit where it’s due and fight like hell to keep him from getting a chance to take a real vote on the Arcata generated General Plan. What’s really too bad is that even in their death throws the elitists refuse to work for a middle ground. Misinterpreting a momentary delay as a weakness has proved their undoing over and over again. Delusion has worked out so well for them in the past why not try it again. Oh well, Rex and Estelle ran campaigns clearly and unequivocally based on wholesale abandonment and rewrite (with real public input) of the rigged GPU. Unless they somehow totally abandon their promises which seems pretty unlikely they will do exactly what they said they would. Believing that there won’t be a third and fourth vote in January is denial of the obvious in the extreme. I guess the radicals will get what they’re asking for…
Anyway, the point was to give Clif credit for what he has accomplished. The election is over other than keeping him from ignoring the result lets leave the guy alone. He really is well meaning even if he’s wrong on some things.
September 24, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Eric Kirk
Everyone is happy that we have bus service but to imply that Mr. Clendenan created the bus service for SoHum is beyond a huge stretch. The bus service was already in the works before he was in office. He added another yes vote with the other Supes when they voted on it, but he didn’t create it.
Actually, he was very much involved in the details. The record speaks for itself.
September 25, 2012 at 5:04 am
i should know
A bus service you all are going to lose if you don’t start RIDING the bus……..
September 25, 2012 at 7:28 am
gpf
Anonymous says “Oh well, Rex and Estelle ran campaigns clearly and unequivocally based on wholesale abandonment and rewrite (with real public input) of the rigged GPU. Unless they somehow totally abandon their promises which seems pretty unlikely they will do exactly what they said they would.”
Rex and Estelle promised wholesale abandonment of the GPU? I don’t remember any such promises in their campaigns. Maybe this is your interpretation or expectation?
October 15, 2012 at 8:46 pm
grouchy
Re TPZ — I agree that everyone should have the right to build ONE residence on their land if they have an approvable building site. However, let us not forget that TPZ is a tax benefit program. For people who have owned their land for 40 years or more, the difference between TPZ value and full market value is not a lot, but if you’ve bought TPZ in the last 15 or so years, the difference can be as much as 90% or more. That is, if you own TPZ at 21st century market value you may be paying as little as 10% of the property tax you would pay if not on TPZ. Sure, you have to pay timber yield tax if you harvest your trees, but nothing requires you to harvest, and many people don’t (you’re supposed to have a management plan; but “management” does not mean harvest — much of what people do for restoration could be considered timber management). SO, since you are not paying your full weight of taxes, don’t you owe something to the rest of the taxpayers, who are making up the difference in fees, assessments (like the SRA fee that everyone’s so hot under the collar about), and/or lost services. Restrictions on TPZ means that landowners must prove they’re earning their tax breaks, that’s all.
For those of you who supported Estelle, don’t be sore winners. And don’t get too cocky, because any brand-new officeholder is going to both get and give some mighty unpleasant surprises when she or he takes office.