Comments on: Rage Against Pandering Flattery

By: suzy blah blah

suzy blah blah — Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:35:56 +0000

-chocolate kisses i would hope. But to get back to the subject, an artform to subsume and a product to consume: and so why wouldn't ryan be rocking out to ratm? They are rockstar icons approaching the cultural status of Elvis and Jimi Hendrix. Granted, the timing of his declaration is highly suspect to say the least. But maybe he gets turned on by a perverted admiration of the ingredient of how much money they make. Don't get me wrong, suzy would never say that they don't have the right to preach thier ratm doctrine just because they are rich, oh no.

By: Mitch

Mitch — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:30:50 +0000

Love and kisses, blah.

By: suzy blah blah

suzy blah blah — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:13:51 +0000

-and this will be a better world when you do, Mitch.

By: Mitch

Mitch — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:43:19 +0000

According to the Gospels, a large crowd had gathered and was following Jesus. Jesus called his disciples to him and said:

“I have compassion for these people; they have already been with me three days and have nothing to eat. I do not want to send them away hungry, or they may collapse on the way.”

His disciples answered:

“Where could we get enough bread in this remote place to feed such a crowd?”

“How many loaves do you have?” Jesus asked.
“Seven,” they replied, “and a few small fish.”

Send them to the mosh pit, Jesus said. And then Jesus vomited puke for all, and spoke in tongues, saying my spirit shall never die, but you fucks will.

By: bolithio

bolithio — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:14:07 +0000

As far as boobs go… you obviously were not watching 1970′s science fiction, lol!

By: suzy blah blah

suzy blah blah — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:47:00 +0000

@ Bolithio, Of course, all music affects society, and change is constant. What suzy said is that i don't see any long ranging major change in society that is particularly due to the subversive ideas in songs of bands like ratm. At one time exercising free speech meant Lenny Bruce went to jail for saying "shit" in a nightclub act. That was subversive. In the 70s movies you don't see a bare boob. That's certainly changed too. But what can be subversive in today's media circus? RAtM's free speech isn't anything new and it isn't changing anything, it's just another product for society to consume. There's money in yelling and ranting. The left against the right and vice verse. Make sure the presidential race is a real "horse race". The more shouting, the more advertising dollars it'll help drum up. And then laugh all the way to the bank as you sign another contract with the latest popular radical screaming rock band who tells the masses on the left side what to think on your tv station. Maybe someday in order to get their subversive message out to even more people they'll play halftime at the superbowl. Do you like the superbowl Bolithio? Some of those professional jocks can really throw a nice curve ball, LOL! btw, tell Eric that most bands are "substance driven" LOL! that's the rockandroll lifestyle. The Pistols puked substance all over the world.

By: bolithio

bolithio — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:08:00 +0000

(since were talking about punk suddenly…)

Other groups might not have been substance-driven…

True, but many many many bands did and do such as: Bad Religion, Dead Kennedys or Propagandhi

By: bolithio

bolithio — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:59:54 +0000

Suzzy - to understand you, are you saying music doesn't make a difference in the big picture, or that specific bands/people dont...? Cause Im still not getting you. If you were one of the millions of suburban kids in any big city - and never heard music that stepped out of bounds with the love and angst formula - let alone 'the system' system (bob Marley back up chicks) would you be a different person? Im not saying that Rage was that deep - but even subtle free speech resonates. Music has been cultures curve ball for along time. Do not underestimate it.

By: suzy blah blah

suzy blah blah — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:36:48 +0000

There was no substance, just a kind of random rage about nothing in particular. -i'm not a defender of them. They were before suzy's time and i've never listened to them. But what i see from my limited point of view is that their 'random rage about nothing' reflected a particular growing aspect of society back to itself, especially the youth in England and America in the 70s. It could even be seen as prophetic. That may be a stretch but if you think of Columbine type events, or thousands of other smaller but similar random 'meaningless rages', it's not so untrue. But, of course, what happens is that there are ignorant people who blame bands like that for causing the behavior. No, they catch hold of the zeitgeist and they reflect it. suzy calls that the truth. And i think that is more substantial than preaching an ideal. @Bolithio, take a look around. There are a hundred thousand rock musicians serving the interests of policy makers who only want to use them and have no appreciation for their true value anyway. i think you're fooling yourself if you think any subversive ideas in the music makes much difference in the big picture.

By: bolithio

bolithio — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:40:35 +0000

Both are ineffective in making any real cultural change.

Thats BS suz. Many kids think more about things then would have otherwise because of music like rage, or public enemy etc… Further, many of these guys do good things now: