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		<title>By: Eric Kirk</title>
		<link>http://kunsoo1024.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/an-interesting-moment-in-the-senate/#comment-66701</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Kirk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should note that even under the plan they passed, the top 2 percent get the lion&#039;s share of the permanent cuts by far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should note that even under the plan they passed, the top 2 percent get the lion&#8217;s share of the permanent cuts by far.</p>
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		<title>By: tra</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the TPM link, Eric.  As usual, they provide a good overview of how things have developed up to this point, and solid analysis of where things seem to be headed.

I really hope that the Democrats will stand strong.  As the NYT pointed out, if the Republican insist on holding the middle-class tax cuts hostage to their demand that the upper-income tax cuts be extended as well, the Democrats should &quot;stand up to hostage-taking and let all the tax cuts expire on New Year’s Day, then reinstate those for the middle class.&quot;  

That seems like the key -- the willingness to, if necessary, let the middle class tax cuts expire along with the upper-income ones, and then come back with a proposal to reinstate the middle-class tax cuts and force the Republicans to block that if they dare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the TPM link, Eric.  As usual, they provide a good overview of how things have developed up to this point, and solid analysis of where things seem to be headed.</p>
<p>I really hope that the Democrats will stand strong.  As the NYT pointed out, if the Republican insist on holding the middle-class tax cuts hostage to their demand that the upper-income tax cuts be extended as well, the Democrats should &#8220;stand up to hostage-taking and let all the tax cuts expire on New Year’s Day, then reinstate those for the middle class.&#8221;  </p>
<p>That seems like the key &#8212; the willingness to, if necessary, let the middle class tax cuts expire along with the upper-income ones, and then come back with a proposal to reinstate the middle-class tax cuts and force the Republicans to block that if they dare.</p>
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		<title>By: tra</title>
		<link>http://kunsoo1024.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/an-interesting-moment-in-the-senate/#comment-66699</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s bad enough that the Republicans insist on preserving the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and are willing to hold the middle-class tax cuts hostage.  But according to the NY Times editorial that PJ linked to above (thanks for posting that P.J.!), even if the Republicans got their way and extended all the Bush-era tax cuts, their bill would have, at the same time, increased the taxes of 13 million low and moderate-income taxpayers, by eliminating the child tax credit, reducing the earned-income tax credit, and ending the middle class college tuition tax credit.  

Their justification for why eliminating those Obama-era tax credits wouldn&#039;t constitute reneging on their precious no-tax-increases pledge?  Well, they say, those tax credits were &quot;temporary&quot; ones, so letting them expire isn&#039;t the same as raising taxes.  But as the Times editorial points out, the Bush-era tax cuts were supposed to be temporary, too.  And frankly I&#039;m a bit surprised that the Republicans would be stupid enough to pass a bill that, without question, raised taxes on low and moderate-income taxpayers even as it protected tax cuts for the rich, completely undercutting their claims that they are all about keeping taxes low for everyone, not just their rich benefactors.   Maybe it&#039;s just another example of them reflexively defaulting to the &quot;Obama Things Bad, Bush Things Good&quot; mentality that so frequently seems to rule their decisions, often to their detriment

The Republicans don&#039;t seem to have any sort of cogent explanation for why they consider ending the &quot;temporary&quot; Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy to be a tax increase, but eliminating the &quot;temporary&quot; Obama-era tax credits for low and moderate income families somehow isn&#039;t.

Lucky for them, there has been (as far as I can tell) very little reporting about the low and moderate-income tax hikes that were part of the Republican&#039;s bill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s bad enough that the Republicans insist on preserving the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and are willing to hold the middle-class tax cuts hostage.  But according to the NY Times editorial that PJ linked to above (thanks for posting that P.J.!), even if the Republicans got their way and extended all the Bush-era tax cuts, their bill would have, at the same time, increased the taxes of 13 million low and moderate-income taxpayers, by eliminating the child tax credit, reducing the earned-income tax credit, and ending the middle class college tuition tax credit.  </p>
<p>Their justification for why eliminating those Obama-era tax credits wouldn&#8217;t constitute reneging on their precious no-tax-increases pledge?  Well, they say, those tax credits were &#8220;temporary&#8221; ones, so letting them expire isn&#8217;t the same as raising taxes.  But as the Times editorial points out, the Bush-era tax cuts were supposed to be temporary, too.  And frankly I&#8217;m a bit surprised that the Republicans would be stupid enough to pass a bill that, without question, raised taxes on low and moderate-income taxpayers even as it protected tax cuts for the rich, completely undercutting their claims that they are all about keeping taxes low for everyone, not just their rich benefactors.   Maybe it&#8217;s just another example of them reflexively defaulting to the &#8220;Obama Things Bad, Bush Things Good&#8221; mentality that so frequently seems to rule their decisions, often to their detriment</p>
<p>The Republicans don&#8217;t seem to have any sort of cogent explanation for why they consider ending the &#8220;temporary&#8221; Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy to be a tax increase, but eliminating the &#8220;temporary&#8221; Obama-era tax credits for low and moderate income families somehow isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Lucky for them, there has been (as far as I can tell) very little reporting about the low and moderate-income tax hikes that were part of the Republican&#8217;s bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Kirk</title>
		<link>http://kunsoo1024.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/an-interesting-moment-in-the-senate/#comment-66697</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Kirk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TPM on why this was a very important event.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/07/why_the_tax_vote_matters.php?ref=fpblg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TPM on why this was a very important event.</p>
<p><a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/07/why_the_tax_vote_matters.php?ref=fpblg" rel="nofollow">http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/07/why_the_tax_vote_matters.php?ref=fpblg</a></p>
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		<title>By: tra</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, it is generally more difficult to pass a new law than it is to let a &quot;temporary&quot; measure expire by taking no action to renew it.  

In cases where one party is strongly attached to renewing the law, and the other party would be perfectly content to let the law expire, then there are indeed both procedural and numerical advantages to the side that is willing to let the the law expire.

But in this case, it&#039;s not just a question of the Republicans wanting the &quot;temporary&quot; tax cuts to continue and the Democrats being perfectly happy if they all expire (and therefore being able to take advantage of the factors that make it easier to block legislation than it is to advance legislation.  

Unless the Democrats are willing to let the middle-class portion of the tax cuts expire (and it seems they aren&#039;t) then they need to pass a new bill just as much as the Republican do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is generally more difficult to pass a new law than it is to let a &#8220;temporary&#8221; measure expire by taking no action to renew it.  </p>
<p>In cases where one party is strongly attached to renewing the law, and the other party would be perfectly content to let the law expire, then there are indeed both procedural and numerical advantages to the side that is willing to let the the law expire.</p>
<p>But in this case, it&#8217;s not just a question of the Republicans wanting the &#8220;temporary&#8221; tax cuts to continue and the Democrats being perfectly happy if they all expire (and therefore being able to take advantage of the factors that make it easier to block legislation than it is to advance legislation.  </p>
<p>Unless the Democrats are willing to let the middle-class portion of the tax cuts expire (and it seems they aren&#8217;t) then they need to pass a new bill just as much as the Republican do.</p>
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		<title>By: Not A Native</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not A Native]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Resend)
Contrary to the simplistic high school civic analysis that laws simply always get passed, there actually is a big difference between legislation that has an expiration(temporary) and legislation that doesn&#039;t. Temporary legislation requires action to retain its provisions.

Since a Senate minority or presidential veto can stop action, taking action is always politically more difficult than not taking action. Every bill must thntread a complicated maze of special interests and deals, as well as positioning for impending elections. Doing nothing and blaming the other side is politically much easier]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Resend)<br />
Contrary to the simplistic high school civic analysis that laws simply always get passed, there actually is a big difference between legislation that has an expiration(temporary) and legislation that doesn&#8217;t. Temporary legislation requires action to retain its provisions.</p>
<p>Since a Senate minority or presidential veto can stop action, taking action is always politically more difficult than not taking action. Every bill must thntread a complicated maze of special interests and deals, as well as positioning for impending elections. Doing nothing and blaming the other side is politically much easier</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Contrary to simplistic the high school civic analysis that laws simply get passes, there actually is a big difference between legislation that has an expiration(temporary) and legislation that doesn&#039;t. Temporary legislation requires action to retain its provisions.

Since a Senate minority or presidential veto can stop action, taking action is always politically more difficult than not taking action. Every bill must thntnative@gmail.comntread a complicated maze of special interests and deals, as well as positioning for impending elections. DoingNot A Native nothing and blaming the other side is politically much easier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrary to simplistic the high school civic analysis that laws simply get passes, there actually is a big difference between legislation that has an expiration(temporary) and legislation that doesn&#8217;t. Temporary legislation requires action to retain its provisions.</p>
<p>Since a Senate minority or presidential veto can stop action, taking action is always politically more difficult than not taking action. Every bill must <a href="mailto:thntnative@gmail.comntread">thntnative@gmail.comntread</a> a complicated maze of special interests and deals, as well as positioning for impending elections. DoingNot A Native nothing and blaming the other side is politically much easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Blow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Blow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Kirk you should talk. You post the same bullshit over and over again without any remorse. Since when does someone need your agreement to make a valid point? The only reason the people that do agree with me don&#039;t post is that they don&#039;t want to put up with your personal assaults. I certainly DO NOT see anything you write that counters what I write - just pointless personal accusations, which is standard fare when you know you&#039;re in the wrong. My ultimate point made in all of this is your exposure as a wanton hypocrite. You&#039;re actually no different than any &quot;born again&quot; believer. The jokes on you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kirk you should talk. You post the same bullshit over and over again without any remorse. Since when does someone need your agreement to make a valid point? The only reason the people that do agree with me don&#8217;t post is that they don&#8217;t want to put up with your personal assaults. I certainly DO NOT see anything you write that counters what I write &#8211; just pointless personal accusations, which is standard fare when you know you&#8217;re in the wrong. My ultimate point made in all of this is your exposure as a wanton hypocrite. You&#8217;re actually no different than any &#8220;born again&#8221; believer. The jokes on you.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Kirk</title>
		<link>http://kunsoo1024.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/an-interesting-moment-in-the-senate/#comment-66671</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Kirk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 16:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again Joe posts his default response to any news about the body politic.  Again Joe, we know you think it&#039;s all bullshit, and there are some posters who agree with you.  But don&#039;t you get tired of typing the same stuff over and over again?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again Joe posts his default response to any news about the body politic.  Again Joe, we know you think it&#8217;s all bullshit, and there are some posters who agree with you.  But don&#8217;t you get tired of typing the same stuff over and over again?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Blow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Blow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 16:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After all the analytic blather - the looting of American continues unabated. Good job guys and gals. Keep looking to the nonsense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After all the analytic blather &#8211; the looting of American continues unabated. Good job guys and gals. Keep looking to the nonsense.</p>
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