I was asked by individuals on both sides of a DCC controversy to attend last week’s meeting. On June 13, 2012, the meeting room at the local Democratic Party HQ on 5th Street was filled with elected (incoming and outgoing) and associate members, and a few visitors. Once the more mundane business was finished, two resolutions came up for discussion. One was tabled (essentially killed I think) and one was passed with some reluctance.
It was the first such meeting I had ever intended. I recognized some of the players. Others were new to me.
I was told to expect fireworks. I should say that while the meeting was fairly contentious, it was tame by Sohum standards. There are definitely some hard feelings carried over from election campaigns both recent and remote.
The gist of the controversy is that the Committee had made endorsements for this last election, and members had publicly supported opposition candidates. Specifically, the Committee had endorsed Cheryl Seidner, a Democrat, in the First District race and several members names (and one member’s photograph) appeared on an ad entitled “Democrats Endorse Rex Bohn.” So apparently at the prior meeting, Eureka City Council Member Linda Atkins made a motion to toss these individuals out of the Committee for a violation of the By-Laws prohibiting such public endorsements. A written version of the motion was brought to last week’s meeting, along with an alternative motion to “inform” members of the By-Laws and require an oath to abide by them. I’ve neglected to scan the first motion, but the second one can be read by hitting the link below. The preamble for each motion appeared to me to be identical. The resolutions differed in that the second one pretty much called for a warning rather than any punitive action this time around – an option the voting members eventually took.
HCDCC Resolution to Inform Members
The written motions were brought and distributed by Josh Drayton who was in as a proxy for an absent member (I believe that he and Conrad were in as proxies for Bob and Pam Service, both recently re-elected to the Committee).
The first motion did not even get discussed. Someone made a motion to table the discussion and vote to the July meeting, and an individual whom must serve as the parliamentarian informed the meeting that such a motion is not subject to discussion. It passed easily though far from unanimously. It was pointed out that even if passed, the members would all be reinstated again at the July meeting anyway, so tabling it will essentially mean that if passed the purge would last for minutes.
Then the second motion was brought forth and the motion to table was defeated. Discussion followed, though not before a bit of contentiousness as individuals making a point of order were accused of arguing against the motion (I’ve seen the issue come up often, and the line between an argument against the motion and a point of order calling into question whether the motion should even be made is often very ambiguous). Eventually the discussion ensued and after repeated objections from one woman that she didn’t have the opportunity to read the motion (it was only one page, and with the exception of the concluding paragraph, was identical to the first motion – an exasperated Josh Drayton responded “it’s one page!”).
Underlying the discussion was the perception by what I’ll call for lack of better term the left wing of the Committee of a hostile takeover of sorts by more centrist or conservative (depending on who you talk to) members. In addition to the written materials, Josh D. (who I’m told ran the Seidner campaign and other past contentious campaigns) distributed copies of the “Democrats for Rex” ad, which included a photograph of member (and recently elected) Virginia Bass and the names of others on the Committee including Richard Marks (who has his own account of the meeting), Marion Brady, and others who are “centrist” or “conservative” depending on your point of view.
At one point Virginia stood up, clearly rattled as she viewed the motions as directed at her. She sarcastically thanked Josh for providing a photo she hadn’t seen, and Josh sarcastically you’re welcomed her back. As she was speaking, and my notes don’t include the specific point, someone at the front table verbally acknowledged what she was saying. Virginia thought the woman was interrupting her as asked to be allowed to finish. The woman in the front quickly explained herself, and Virginia apologized for feeling “a little jumpy” as she felt that she was the primary target of the motions. While I tend to be on the opposite side of politics with Virginia, I thought she raised some good points about the tone.
During the discussion Sid Berg stood up and argued that the motion is hypocritical because Estelle didn’t get the endorsement (Estelle was re-elected to the Committee at the same time she was elected Supervisor – although the former was a little bit less of a feat considering that there were four candidates in the Second District for four spots). He argued that anyone on the Committee should not be denied an endorsement if there are no democrats opposing her – a suggestion which drew some head shaking and a sneer or two.
There was a little bit of confusion as to the second motion as some members didn’t realize that they were arguing against a By-Laws provision which was already in effect. A few argued the provision as if it was being proposed rather than cited. Someone, it may have been Josh D., suggested that if they don’t like the By-Laws then they should change them, but that they should be honored until such time. Some good practical questions were raised. What if you endorse a candidate long before the Committee gets around to its endorsement of the opposition? What if you give money? (apparently, according to interpretation there, you would be limited to 99 dollars so that your donation wouldn’t be public). What if you were hired as the opposing candidate’s campaign manager? What if you’re actually the opposing candidate?
The motion eventually carried, but nearly everyone agreed that the By-Laws need some revision and clarification. It was suggested that members be allowed to endorse whom they want, but not identify themselves as members. It was suggested that maybe the committee shouldn’t endorse non-partisan positions? It was suggested that the whole thing is outdated under the current system, which could for instance lead to a Huffman/Solomon runoff and people with both campaigns are members of the Committee.
Richard Marks had led a charge to “reform” the Committee through the election of “moderate” or “conservative” (depending on whom you talk to) members, but of his slate only Virginia won (she did come in a strong second behind Linda Atkins).
The North Coast Journal covered the schism following the denial of endorsement of Estelle.
For me it’s kind of a tempest in a teapot to be honest. I’m not indifferent to the feelings of those involved. I don’t know if I could personally hold down the discipline to be a member. I value my independence and if I want to endorse a non-Democrat I will. But then, I don’t have to be on the Democratic Central Committee. Nobody does. Whether the Committee is run by the “far left” or “developers” really doesn’t mean all that much to me. I guess the Committee’s endorsement sends a message if there are two Democrats in the race, or only one Democrat who doesn’t get the endorsement. And I guess the underlying discussion is about what constitutes the values embodied by the party – if any. The meeting reminded me that it’s a pretty big tent – much bigger in terms of ideological scope than the Republican Party which is probably closer to a European-style political party with a specific ideology than either party has been in decades. So do you make room for everyone? If you do, are you watering down the values the party ostensibly stands for? Is it contrary to Democratic Party values to support property rights against controlled growth? You can make an argument that it’s not “liberal,” but there are plenty of non-liberals in the party even if they bolt for figures like Reagan and Schwarzenegger (or did anyway). How do you maintain a tent for both labor and environmentalists when they are often at odds? For cultural conservatives who are economically liberal (or vice-versa)?
The fight for the soul of the Democratic Party. I’m sure the discussion will continue into the Eureka City Council elections. And if Norman pulls out second place in the Congressional race, expect a knife fight – within the left wing itself!
Okay, the photo above wasn’t really taken at the meeting. But I couldn’t figure out how to use my new Droid, and the photo just seems to capture it all.

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June 21, 2012 at 4:36 am
unanonymous
yawn.
June 21, 2012 at 5:48 am
Fred Mangels
And all this in attempt to control local politics which the local Republicans don’t seem to get involved in, at least officially.
Does anybody know if Democratic Central Committees in other counties get as actively involved in local politics as Humboldt’s does?
June 21, 2012 at 8:12 am
Eric Kirk
Fred – the claim from the “left” is that the pols have all bolted the Republican Party and are trying to take over the DCC – the only game in town. This is of course based on the fact that some, like Virginia, were recently Republicans. They don’t believe that her transition is earnest.
I’ve spoken to her extensively about it actually, and whatever you think of her politics, Virginia is a Democrat in earnest. But that may be beside the point for some. Estelle is also a Democrat in earnest, but some of the “left” on the Committee see her and other lifelong Democrats as part of the “hostile takeover.” Richard’s pledge to kick the left wing bums out (which didn’t really work out this last election) played right into that, and it’s all pretty well escalated.
And it all comes down to one of those eternal metaphysical questions, “What is a Democrat?”
June 21, 2012 at 8:34 am
Fred Mangels
I see the division as one of the pro- business and industry Democrats such as Fennel, Bass, Berg and Marks (although I don’t see Marks as an issues guy) vs. the No bunch.
The point of my comment, though, was that this all seems to have come to a head because of local elections. I wonder if there would be such intensity to the conflict if the DCC didn’t take such an aggressive role in local politics?
You alluded to it elsewhere, but I’m not sure there would be that intense a conflict if this was just over congressional races and such. Then again, I’m looking at this from the outside.
June 21, 2012 at 8:50 am
Anonymous
I think Fred is right. It is also about pro-development. Estelle is a developers best friend. If she has her way, all environmental protections will be gone. That is what she wants.
June 21, 2012 at 9:07 am
brian connors
Nobody cares who are what the HCDCC endorses. The folks ( Linda Atkins and company) who are leading the charge against Virginia Bass are nothing more than a bunch of bigots.
June 21, 2012 at 9:13 am
Eric Kirk
Bigots?
June 21, 2012 at 9:15 am
Fred Mangels
8:50 seems to have misread the meaning behind my comment. I’m simply saying that those four understand that business and industry are necessary to fund the large government Democrats believe in.
The others seem to believe we can fund that large government by simply sucking more money from the fewer and fewer business that exist in the county and state.
As far as environmental protection goes, it’s a bit over the top to suggest all environmental protections will be gone should someone be allowed to build a home on a rural parcel somewhere.
June 21, 2012 at 9:37 am
Eric Kirk
Well that’s one way of looking at it Fred. You do realize that the biggest impetus for big government is actually big business?
June 21, 2012 at 9:53 am
Anonymous
“Nobody cares who are what the HCDCC endorses”
Very true in the real world. But looking at the number of votes, members of such groups are the majority of voters. Humboldt’s representatives now do not represent real world Humboldt. In the real world people do not put up with such obvious bullshit if they know about it.
June 21, 2012 at 10:13 am
John Chiv
Eric, thankfully there are some open-minded, rational people like yourself that see that Virginia is genuine. Recently, I had the chance to get to know some wonderful members of the Democratic Central Committee like Pam Cahill and Barbara Carollan and thankfully there are still Democrats left that represent the party well.
You know I don’t agree with everything you say but I like that we can have a respectful discourse and disagree and respect each other.
Fred has made some excellent rational points.
There are some people who never want to move beyond the rhetoric and are always angry. There are others who get involved and do their best to work for what they believe in. There are some so blinded by partisanship that they forget to work on the common good.
June 21, 2012 at 10:55 am
Anonymous
John Chiv, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck…you cannot deny the obvious truth: lifelong, proud, flag waving, Republican voting, Republican donating, Republican pushing business person immediately changes their party affiliation to the idealogically opposite representation but makes NO mention of it when presenting herself to constituents (and donors), and continues to push the Republican agenda (and candidates).
I have no doubt Virginia Bass is “nice”…and has now had plenty of time to plan her articulation about it. But she BULLSHITTED in broad daylight to everybody. It is a disgraceful misrepresentation of ones self and given the job she now has, she is being paid to falsely misrepresent her own constituents. There is nothing disrespectful about addressing the issue, it’s important. There is nothing respectful about governing like that.
To you, John Chiv, I say there are some people who never want to move beyond the rhetoric and are always angry. There are others who get involved and do their best to work for what they believe in. There are some so blinded by partisanship that they forget to work on the common good. Virginia Bass is among people who mislead the public to get a very high paying job in local government. She now falsely represents Democrats in this county, and thus falsely represents the county.
June 21, 2012 at 11:09 am
Bolithio
As far as environmental protection goes, it’s a bit over the top to suggest all environmental protections will be gone should someone be allowed to build a home on a rural parcel somewhere.
Exactly. If you have the audacity to suggest development can be good, or that regulation could be refined or even lifted in some areas you are immediately painted as one who supports NO regulation at all.
June 21, 2012 at 11:11 am
Anonymous
John Chiv, you are a paid PR rep. Part of your job is “internet presence”.
Let’s please discuss your involvement in the campaign.
http://www.johnchiv.blogspot.com/p/testimonials.html
June 21, 2012 at 1:15 pm
tra
So it sounds like they didn’t vote to actually expel anyone, and there’s no mention of Linda Atkins’ suggestion (made to the NCJ before the election) that they might try to prevent some newly-elected members from being seated. Instead they opted for a “warning” and requiring members to take an “oath” to follow the by-laws in the future.
Richard Marks had a post on his blog before the election, in which he asserted that numerous other HCDCC members have supported non-endorsed candidates, including non-Democrats, over HCDCC-endorsed candidates in the past. One example he gave was the 2008 race for the 2nd district Supervisor’s seat (Clendenen vs. Fennell vs. Rodoni), in which he says Fennell was endorsed by the HCDCC, but some HCDCC members actively worked for Clendenen’s campaign. Assuming that’s true, then voting to actually expel Bass (or to refuse to seat her) would have been problematic. Either they would have had to expel ALL members who have done this in the past, or else they would have (rightly) been accused of selectively enforcing the by-laws.
June 21, 2012 at 1:15 pm
tra
Hopefully they will revise the by-laws to better balance the desire for party unity against the desire to allow individuals to dissent without being gagged, or being required to resign or be expelled.
Keep in mind that the two top vote-getters in the 4th district HCDCC race were Linda Atkins and Virginia Bass. And this was a “vote for 4 candidates” situation, so it wasn’t necessarily a question of Bass voters versus Atkins voters — many of the same people voted for both. So it seems that a majority of the party’s rank-and-file voters in the 4th district value both of them and believe both should serve as voting members of the HCDCC. To me, this suggests that to the rank-and-file, Bass’s endorsement of Bohn just wasn’t a big issue one way or the other.
I agree that this whole thing is pretty much a “tempest in a teapot.” For my part, I have no trouble understanding the difference between:
(1) an HCDCC-endorsed candidate — in other words the person who received majority support when the HCDCC voted, and receives the official endorsement of the Committee, and
(2) a candidate who was not endorsed by the HCDCC as a whole, but is personally endorsed by one or more dissenting HCDCC members, acting as individuals.
The first candidate’s literature can state “So and so has been endorsed by the Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee.” The second candidate’s literature can state “So and so has been endorsed by Person X and Person Y, etc.”
I just don’t see what the big problem is there. So I think they should change the by-laws to drop the gag rule. Let the voters decide. If rank-and-file voters have a problem with HCDCC members personally endorsing some candidates that the HCDCC did not endorse, then the voters are free to replace those members in the next election.
June 21, 2012 at 1:16 pm
tra
At the same time, I don’t agree with those who propose that the HCDCC should automatically support any candidate who is a registered Democrat in cases where there is no other Democrat running. The HCDCC should continue to be free to simply make no endorsement if that’s what the majority wants to do.
I say that as someone who thinks that Estelle Fennell deserved the endorsement in the most recent race. But it’s one thing to say that I, personally, think she ought to have received the endorsement, and quite another thing to say that the HCDCC should have been required to give her the endorsement simply because she’s a registered Democrat and her opponent is registered as Decline-to-State.
And, to go a step farther, I also think the HCDCC should be allowed to give it’s official endorsement to a non-Democrat who is running against a registered Democrat, if that’s what they want to do. But again, dissenters on the HCDCC should be free to personally endorse and support whoever they want
June 21, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Anonymous
tra, go back to sleep.
June 21, 2012 at 3:01 pm
tra
Thanks, I will…eventually.
In the meantime, if you have anything more substantive to add to the discussion, feel free to share.
June 21, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Anonymous
“Bigots?” = “Life-long” Dems. But HCDCC has a surprising number of EX-Liberal Republicans. Va Bass is more pro-Va than anything.
June 21, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Anonymous
tra, i would like to see you try to spew that shit on the people in the picture above.
John Chiv, what was your paid involvement in the recent campaign? What does it continue to be?
June 21, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Anonymous
I still think tra is Tom Grover.
June 21, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Stephen
“I was asked by individuals on both sides of a DCC controversy to attend last week’s meeting.”
Boy, Eric, you are really trying to sell yourself as Humboldt political referee. But to me, having you referee any political discussion is like having the fox in the henhouse trying to calm everybody down. Only the naive who don’t follow your real actions as political shill for Progressive pols, one quite willing to keep the identity frauds hidden from view and one quite willing to censor dissenting points of view when you can, all of that running counter to any objective observer role I know of. But Humboldt County is where carpet-baggers from out of town looking for small ponds to become big Progs in can come in and take control so have at it, bay boy.
June 21, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Anonymous
I randomly caught the end of your show driving home tonight, eric. You were in a hurry, there was a caller who recommended a book or a movie or something, and he ended his call saying something like “the economy is nothing compared to what’s really going on, we need to change the way we do everything.” The wisest words of the whole show, yet subject that you never really address or explore. I suppose in part because it doesn’t jive with what you focus on in politics…the politics…left/right nonsense. That system is being milked by corrupt energy in broad daylight in humboldt. You totally blew the caller off, not to surprising it was the end of the show, even though he really said it like it is.
June 21, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Matt
“vs. the No bunch”
Fred, who is the “no bunch”? Not trying to be argumentative – I just don’t know who you’re talking about.
June 22, 2012 at 9:32 am
John Chiv
Anonymous,
Haters like you make a lot of assumptions and project your behavior on others. My business has nothing to do with who I support. I have the guts to post under my name, you don’t. Your shadowy attacks are just like your ethics and your intolerance to others who express their views is childish.
It is haters like you that have turned off the voters, get over your imagined power. No one needs to prove anything to anons who blog all day, run failed businesses and campaigns and attack anyone who disagrees with them, be it within their party or another party.
You all have been crying the developer, money nonsense since the 2010 election. You lost again. How well has this hate worked for you? You haven’t a clue about how voters feel and voters see through that their plight will never change as long as the likes of you, anon, plead their case.
I have a pretty good idea Anon of who you are. Your opinion of me does not matter.
June 22, 2012 at 9:44 am
Anonymous
I am not a “hater” John chiv, that is ridiculous of you to attack me on an emotional level. Can we discuss actual events like mature adults?
What has your involvement been since 2010? Have you written letters to the editor “for others”? What was your involvement in the most recent campaign? How many online personas have you adopted for PR, as is the norm of those in your occupation? You describe what you do on your own website, you have been paid by these candidates.
June 22, 2012 at 9:59 am
Anonymous
…and for the record, john chiv, you do not know who I am, I have never met you or anybody involved. I’m armchairing the whole scene. You can “hate” on me for that, as you already seem to. You seem upset to be put on the spot. However, you are putting yourself out there so to speak. You are being paid to do internet PR for these candidates.