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April 27, 2012 at 8:07 am
Anonymous
Why is this being called a benefit? Doesn’t the word benefit associate more with non profits? This is a political fundraiser.
April 27, 2012 at 9:53 am
Eric Kirk
From Webster’s online (relevant portion bolded).
1ben·e·fit
noun \ˈbe-nə-ˌfit\
Definition of BENEFIT
1
archaic: an act of kindness : benefaction
2
a: something that promotes well-being : advantage b: useful aid : help
3
a: financial help in time of sickness, old age, or unemployment b: a payment or service provided for under an annuity, pension plan, or insurance policy c: a service (as health insurance) or right (as to take vacation time) provided by an employer in addition to wages or salary
4
: an entertainment or social event to raise funds for a person or cause
See benefit defined for English-language learners »
See benefit defined for kids »
Examples of BENEFIT
the benefits of fresh air and sunshine
A benefit of museum membership is that purchases are discounted.
There are many financial benefits to owning your own home.
She is just now starting to reap the benefits of all her hard work.
The benefits of taking the drug outweigh its risks.
I see no benefit in changing the system now.
We’re lucky to be able to get the full benefit of her knowledge.
He began collecting his retirement benefits when he was 65.
He began collecting his retirement benefit when he was 65.
The job doesn’t pay much, but the benefits are good.
Origin of BENEFIT
Middle English, from Anglo-French benfet, from Latin bene factum, from neuter of bene factus, past participle of bene facere
First Known Use: 14th century
Related to BENEFIT
Synonyms: advantage, aid, asset, help, boon
Antonyms: disadvantage, drawback, encumbrance, hindrance, impediment, minus
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Rhymes with BENEFIT
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April 27, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Anonymous
I think I’ll have a hissy fit
At this supposed benefit
To our advantage, come off of it
estelle is a super counterfeit
I saw her one day
In double knit
I said come on, please get with it
You’d look so much better in cable knit
She took me home
To babysit
I called her a hypocrite
She called me a cuckoo spit
I now read my holy writ
Trying to get out
Of this borrow pit
With my candlelit
No more cuckoo spit
I’m going out
In my cable knit
April 27, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Ernie's Place
STIP update:
You know what I always hate about “I told you so”? It’s because the baby has already been thrown out with the bath water.
I was incensed when the board of supervisors gave the STIP money to the Eureka/ Arcata Safety Corridor, and not to the Orick or Hydsville road projects, because of the amount of money that was given away from local county STIP related projects. In particular Redwood Drive which hasn’t seen new pavement in over 30 years. It was explained in great detail, the money that was given would have some left over for county roads, but Garberville’s Redwood drive would now have to wait until 2012 for new pavement. ( the road is now 10 years overdue for new paving)
Remember when Estelle Fennell said that the coastal commission already said that they don’t like the interchange and would likely stop the project? Remember? Sure you do. Remember that people said that Estelle just didn’t understand how STIP money works? Sure you do.
Estelle went to all the meeting on the STIP funding… and SHE IS ON RECORD saying that the project would probably not be approved because it was in a Coastal Zone.
Well the project has been taken of the table… The funding that we will get is…ZERO.
I told you so. And this time I hate being right! We all lose. I wish that they would have listened to Estelle. She is on record the she would not have voted for the Safety corridor, because it would have and unlikely outcome. BINGO!
STIP project pulled
April 27, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Eric Kirk
Well, actually it was Clif who said at the debate that the Coastal Commission was likely to nix or reduce the proposal in its current form. And the proposal will be resubmitted in an alternative form.
It is a $24 million dollar STIP, $16 million dollar project that is going to get further contraction at the Coastal Commission level. That is our best chance, its counter intuitive, but that’s our best chance to get county road money…We have at least $8 million left.
And later:
That is just factually incorrect. The SHOPP program doesn’t exist now for that project. You can check with Caltrans on that. The fact remains that yes it is a 16 million dollar project tying up a lot of money that will likely get significantly contracted at the Coastal Commission review… That is the only chance to get anything. I know it is counter intuitive… The way the rules are that’s the only chance of getting any county road funding was to vote for that.
Clif also said that the state is unlikely to grant the STIP funds in any form – something Estelle did not dispute. He said what two officials said in Kym’s letter, which was that to have any chance of bringing those funds into the county, a state project has to be involved. This was the only qualifying proposed state project in the works. The contention is that an application for money which was only for county roads would certainly be rejected. Estelle didn’t dispute this either, except to say that she “disagreed.” And then she went on to talk about the SHOPP fund, which is really a different subject.
That the whole thing has been a crap-shoot from the beginning is not in dispute.
Again, refer to Kym’s post.
http://lostcoastoutpost.com/2012/apr/17/politi-fact-humboldt/
In the post she quotes Tom Mattson:
Currently, state highway transportation needs vastly exceed available revenue. Clem says, if we don’t have a state highway project for the money, then county road needs are unlikely to successfully compete for funds that are already in huge demand. Like a mother hen with her own chicks, the state is likely to fund projects on the state highway system rather than on the system of roads that the county is responsible for. Mattson agrees. He says, “If you decide not to fund [a state highway recommended project,] you are pretty much asking not to be funded for any local road project.”
April 27, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Ernie's Place
“This was the only qualifying proposed state project in the works.”
I may be wrong, but I thought that there was another project in Orick and one in Hydesville. Both of those projects would have spent less money on the State roads and more on State related county roads. I hate to belabor the subject, But Redwood drive would have been available for paving under either of those two projects.
Maybe the two other projects would not have been funded either, but it is my opinion that they would have been MORE likely to fund a project that the Coastal Commission didn’t have and opinion on. Using the “Easiest path theory”.
Estelle was correct in her thinking. She was exactly right. Getting money from the State sometimes takes pulling some strings. Maybe we should even yank some chains. Do you know anybody qualified to do that?
April 27, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Eric Kirk
Well, Estelle was unfortunately misinformed about the whole process. It’s all very easy to say “pull the strings,” but that’s a pretty vague strategy. In this case, Tom Mattson, who knows something about string pulling, says that the HCOAG vote (8-2, Clif didn’t case the “deciding vote” as stated in the ad) presented the best opportunity.
As to whether other state road projects qualified, I can’t say. But I’m certain that they would have been considered at the HCOAG meeting. It was a pretty decisive vote.
Again, Kym said it took her several hours to digest the whole thing, and it’s just one of those issues that’s hard to debate in the milibite format of an election.
April 27, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Anonymous
Ernie, the STIP project item has been pulled from the May meeting and will probably be moved to the April meeting when the Coastal Commission is here in Humboldt. You are clutching at straws.
estelle is wrong. She was wrong on the SHOP funding, now she is trying to change her words to “I would have voted on option 3″. She did not sing this song at the MCC forum. estelle is trying to rewrite her history of words. You will be eating your words ernie. And a little crow.
April 27, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Ernie's Place
Board of supes 3-2. How did Clif vote on HCOAG?
It’s pretty disappointing to sit back while everybody was saying Estelle was wrong, when it turns out she was right, nobody wants to acknowledge it.
I fully realize that it was a “Crap shoot” with State funding. But from my stand point Estelle was not misinformed. She is on record of saying exactly why she didn’t expect the Safety Corridor to be smiled on by the Coastal Commission.
Really, I just want our fair due… Redwood Drive is turning into a dirt road. It won’t last another winter.
If people would listen to what Estelle is saying instead of trying so hard to prove her wrong, I think that they would be able to agree with her.
April 27, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Anonymous
“She is on record of saying exactly why she didn’t expect the Safety Corridor to be smiled on by the Coastal Commission.”
Give us her exact words then ernie.
April 27, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Eric Kirk
Again Ernie, they both said that. That wasn’t the issue of contention. The issue was whether by voting the way he did, he deprive Sohum of road repairing funds. She was, and is, wrong. The STIP funds for Redwood Drive, by themselves, were never an option.
April 27, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Anonymous
Betrayed by estelle twice.
Reggae Wars
Taking (out of the area) money from big developers.
April 27, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Anonymous
With friends like Ernie, Estelle doesn’t need enemies!
April 27, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Ernie's Place
Leaving Clif and Estelle out of it, and going on my own experience, and my own opinion. It was obvious to me, and anyone paying attention, that the Coastal Commission would involve themselves, and delay the Safety Corridor project. To me that was a given. We have had great success fulfilling several of our local needs by going to Wesley Chesbro and Noreen Evans.
The Safety Corridor STIP would involve the Coastal Commission, and I doubt that Chesbro or Evans would have gone up against them, indeed, I would not have gone against them myself. I feel that we would have had more of a chance with the State by adopting either the Hydesville or the Orick project, then expressing our concerns and needs to our state officials. I think that we would have stood a chance.
If Redwood Drive was never in contention for paving, why wasn’t it? If not now, when? It won’t last until 2012. We need some representation.
April 27, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Anonymous
We need higher taxes to deal with budget shortfalls Ernie. And a better economy.
April 27, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Anonymous
“It won’t last until 2012.”
Isn’t this 2012?
April 27, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Ernie's Place
You are right. I meant 2020. I misstated that fact in two of my comments. But, I was correct in saying that the Redwood Drive won’t last until 2012. Anyone that has driven through Garberville has seen the sad state of disrepair that the road is in.
April 27, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Mike Losey, Fortuna
Ernie,everyone knew of the letter from the Coastal Commission which wasn’t the issue. The real issue is that these funds are used as Cal-Trans decides. This is what your candidate apparently did not understand and Redwood Dr. would not have been in the running. Cal-Trans decided on the safety corridor, so there would have been no other possibility at that time. I was not in favor of the STIP funding going to the safety corridor either, but people can’t just change their statements nor what happened on this vote, for their own benefit during this campaign. Even though Clif knew his vote would not sit well with some voters, it was what he thought was best for all of Humboldt County, in what seems to be picking the least of the two evils. Either loose all of the money or go with the Cal-Trans mid-cost project and loose only some of the money. It is very confusing but we do need a candidate who understands the details and not change his statements nor position to try to gain votes.
April 27, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Ernie's Place
Mike
As I said, I am speaking strictly from my view point, and I don’t intend to put words in Clif or Estelle’s mouth.
Obama is focusing on building and rebuilding infrastructure. Possible we could do a better job of focusing where that money sifts down. I mean all of us. I would venture to guess that Southern Humboldt has some of the poorest roads in the state. It doesn’t seem to me that it would be that hard to make our case that we need help. One little slide at Dean Creek stopped our world last winter. The alternate county routes like the Dyerville Loop Road were mostly impassable. I understand that the Bull Creek road was recently closed. The condition of the roads in the second district are becoming potentially life threatening.
I don’t like just sitting and waiting and wringing our hands. I really believe that we can do something to change things for all of us. Maybe we should stop expecting our supervisors to deal with these bad situations and do something ourselves. We can do that, and we have done it before.
April 28, 2012 at 12:14 am
Eric Kirk
Well, it seems like one of the things we can do is lobby the state legislature to earmark a certain percentage of designated road funds to county and city roads, since the latter don’t have the same taxing and other revenue generating power, or at least don’t operate on the same economy of scale. But for all I know, that’s already in place in some form and there just aren’t enough revenues because we’re in a near depression. So maybe anonymous is right and we need to push for higher taxes, or lower taxes, or something which will “stimulate” the economy a little faster than is happening. In lieu of state action, maybe a local bond measure. Or additional parcel tax.
April 28, 2012 at 6:35 am
gpf
For sure though…Clif shot himself in the foot by voting the 16 million out of the second district. Lousy poker player too. A real chump it seems.
April 28, 2012 at 8:05 am
Anonymous
That local bond measure is something Marcella Clem mentioned at some point in the near past.
ernie, as you are learning, you are ever so slightly changing your tune. You say people are so wanting to prove estelle wrong they can’t admit when she is right. estelle isn’t right. You are are so wanting to prove she is right, you can’t admit she is wrong.
April 28, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Mike Losey, Fortuna
Ernie and Eric, I just don’t think we are on anyone’s priority at least from the state level whether it’s Cal-Trans or the Governor’s office. Ernie might be right about doing something ourselves. One possible avenue would be that each Supervisor selects a major road in each of their respective districts, not hiway 101, 299, nor 36, but what might be called a surface street like Redwood Way, Dyerville Loop, the Matole Road or a hundred others. The county road money for that year can go to repairing that particular road. Choose a different District each year and put the money toward repairing the road that the respective Supervisor chooses. The repairs would have to even out, but that way we would be doing something in a District, every year. I do know that emergency repairs take up much of the revenue, but I also know especially during epic stormy seasons, that federal and state money can become available. Anyway, I don’t know that much about how the money at the county level is distributed, since I am only familiar with how the City of Fortuna handles theirs, being on the City Council. Just a thought but it would be a start.
April 28, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Eric Kirk
gpf – the “16 million” was never in the district. That’s the whole point.
April 29, 2012 at 6:54 am
Dave Kirby
Trivia…..Redwood Drive is the second most traveled county maintained road in Humboldt. What’s number one?
April 29, 2012 at 8:17 am
Mike Losey, Fortuna
Dave, my guess would be Myrtle Ave. outside of the Eureka city limits or Walnut Dr. in Cutten.
April 29, 2012 at 8:58 am
Anonymous
Links please, Dave. As suzy would say. I do think you are correct. Shelter Cove Rd is #1. It gets a lot of attention from the county road crew.
In this time of such a bad economy, no ideas or thoughts are trivia. You are rude, as usual.
If the idea floats, maybe the 2nd district could go first as we are the most needy, and Clif could identify Redwood Drive as his pick.
Orrrrrrr, maybe all the rich marijuana growers that drive those big, heavy duty 4-wheel drive trucks, loaded up with dirt and large propane carriers in the back,that drive way to fast, hit every pot hole, drive up on the side hills of the road, could fork over some of the money they don’t pay taxes on.
April 29, 2012 at 10:46 am
Anonymous
How much county road funding goes to repairing the bluffs’ between Redway and Garberville? Just the money used during the winter months.
Maybe Dave would like to see this money go to Redwood Drive instead?
April 29, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Ernie's Place
Shelter Cove road???
April 29, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Anonymous
Central Ave, McK
April 29, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Dave Kirby
Nope
April 29, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Anonymous
Well do tell.
April 29, 2012 at 7:31 pm
gpf
Tompkins Hill?
April 29, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Eric Kirk
Dave’s “nope” was posted before I could get some of the guesses cleared through moderation. I suspect it’s either Myrtle or Central Ave. Otherwise I would say Old Arcata Road.
April 30, 2012 at 5:58 am
Fustilarian
The road to hell, it is paved, but good intentions don’t seem to hold up. ?
April 30, 2012 at 8:02 am
Anonymous
Do ya think estelle knows?
April 30, 2012 at 9:18 am
Dave Kirby
Central Ave. is correct.
April 30, 2012 at 9:54 am
Anonymous
The letter in the Independent by John LaBoyteaux is a mouthful. Go read the document John left at The Indie, Redwood Times, and KMUD. Does the document mean that in Aug of 2008 the lawsuit was basically ended because the appellate court reversed the ruling of the trial court? Bob appealed the reversal 2-3 times and it was never heard.
Does that mean that Bob McKee has basically been lying to us,by telling us the trial is still going on, because every single time he is on with Dennis Huber on MMM he says “the trial is now going on for 10 years…”
Was it reversed and not overturned because a couple of the parcels sold were 600 acres?
Some interesting parts from the appellate court document.
“The trial court ruled in favor of McKee. It relied upon the contract clauses of the state and federal Constitutions (U.S. Const.,art.1, & 10; Cal. Const., art 1, & 9) to conclude that the 1978 guidelines could not be applied constitutionally to a Williamson Act contract executed in 1977. We disagree and reverse. Subsequent to the adoption of the 1978 Guidelines, the parties voluntarily renewed their contract numerous times, and the new contract created with each renewal incorporated the 1978 guidelines.”
“The trial court awarded costs to McKee. “An order awarding costs falls with a reversal of the judgement on which it is based. Because we conclude that the judgement in favor of McKee must be reversed, the order awarding costs must also be reversed.”
“The judgement on County’s complaint and BMR’s related cross-complaint and the order awarding costs are reversed. The matter is remanded with the instructions to the trial court to (1) vacate its order applying the contract clauses to preclude application of the 1978 Guidelines to the Tooby Contract, (2) issue a new order finding that the 1978 Guidelines do apply to the Tooby Contract and the the division of parcels less than 600 acres do violate the guidelines, and (3) impose an appropriate remedy for any such violation. County and Assessor are entitled to their costs on appeal.”
“The Williamson Act was intended “to deny the tax benefits of the act to short term speculators and developers of urban fringe land and to [e]nsure that the constitutional requirement of an ‘enforceable restriction’ is met”;”
“If either the landowner or local government does not wish to renew the contract, the party ‘shall serve written notice of non-renewal of the contract upon the other party in advance of the annual renewal date of the contract.”
“This section shall not prohibit a division of land if the parcels created are of such size, shape and other physical characteristics that they are capable of producing agricultural commodities and if as a practical matter the amount of land devoted to agricultural uses will not be reduced. All divisions of land shall comply with all applicable ordinances and State laws.”
(Question-Bob sold parcels that have no water source? He created parcels that can not be water sustainable without trucking the water in from already impaired water sources, yes?)
“At the time of the trial, in 2006, McKee retained ownership of approximately 3,000 acres of the Tooby Ranch.
McKee has not filed a notice of nonrenewal of the Tooby Contract. McKee has continued to receive a preferential tax assessment and has paid an average of 44 cents per acre, 10 to 15 per cent of the taxes he would have paid had the land not been under a Williamson Act contract.”
The document is 28 pages long. A very good read. Why is KMUD suppressing this information?
April 30, 2012 at 10:01 am
tra
Peter Childs in today’s Times-Standard:
http://www.times-standard.com/letters/ci_20496572/fennell-will-be-able-deliver-results
April 30, 2012 at 10:07 am
tra
Oh, Peter Child’s Op-Ed was actually in the 4/27 edition of the Times-Standard. At any rate, the link is right.
April 30, 2012 at 10:10 am
Anonymous
tra, it’s not an Op-Ed. It is a Letter to the Editor. Get your facts straight. S
April 30, 2012 at 11:39 am
tra
You’re right, it was a LTE, not an Op-Ed.
April 30, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Eric Kirk
He or she got you there tra!
April 30, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Anonymous
Anon at 9:54 should have pulled these sentences out and put them in all capital letters.
Because we conclude that the judgement in favor of McKee must be reversed, the order awarding costs must also be reversed.”
The trial court ruled in favor of McKee.We disagree and reverse.
County and Assessor are entitled to their costs on appeal.”
April 30, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Anonymous
I can’t access Peter’s letter because I’ve used up my five free monthly visits. But I can read it tomorrow.
April 30, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Anonymous
Anon 12:25. It is the same letter that appears in the April 24(last weeks) issue of The Independent. Peter Childs is a one trick pony.
April 30, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Anonymous
McKee has continued to receive a preferential tax assessment and has paid an average of 44 cents per acre, 10 to 15 per cent of the taxes he would have paid had the land not been under a Williamson Act contract.”
April 30, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Anonymous
McKee has not filed a notice of nonrenewal of the Tooby Contract
the division of parcels less than 600 acres do violate the guidelines, and (3) impose an appropriate remedy for any such violation.
April 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Not A Native
How deceptive and misleading is Childs? For credibility, he has to address CPR’s real purpose. But does it sneakily..
” of course they(CPR) represent real estate and developer interests! These interests are as legitimate as anyone else’s.”
So he appeals to people’s natural sense of ‘fairness’ but misuses it. Its fair to observe that real estate and developers aren’t evil, they are indeed legitimate. But their interests are actually in direct opposition to those of the general public.
The general public depends on land for our survival, health, and means to be productive, Not for disproportionally enriching ourselves through economic speculation and transaction fees.
April 30, 2012 at 10:16 pm
suzy blah blah
developers aren’t evil, they are indeed legitimate
-LOL!
May 1, 2012 at 8:54 am
knot-ed
It is striking that we all moved here to get away from the developed cities.
The back-to-the-landers.
I assume that is one of the reasons Ms. Fennell moved here. The rural way of life.
And now she and her ilk want to develop as much land as possible.
May 2, 2012 at 8:16 am
ICU812
It’s better than that, Fennell wants to “streamline” the permit process for development. Look what’s happening in Garberville right now, its nothing but a water grab for development and Fennell supports it.
“Whiskey is for drinking; water is for fighting over” ~ Mark Twain
May 2, 2012 at 9:38 am
Charley
I know how confusing facts are, but the people pushing for Garberville water development are from the Community Park. They strongly support Clif. They don’t want no stinkin’ EIR, either. Where’s the Bogeyman? Why are Bogeymen supporting Clif?
This is the problem with creating straw-dog Bogeymen instead of coherent arguments founded on facts. You end up arguing with your own bogeyman, and losing elections. Just watch Clif.
One more point: rural property owners large and small agree that county land policy is an ungoverned mess. This fact is gleaned from shared experience, which creates shared interests. Our supervisors have wanted nothing to do with this mess, though it’s their principle responsibility. They too would rather talk about bogeymen than do their jobs. Just watch Clif.
May 2, 2012 at 10:46 am
Eric Kirk
Actually, we already have an EIR in process for the park Charley. And it wasn’t imposed on us. We volunteered to do it. We just don’t want the GSD to have to conduct a redundant EIR just to supply the park with water for bathrooms and drinking fawcetts.
May 2, 2012 at 11:31 am
Anonymous
At least Clif gets his facts straight/right Charley.
May 2, 2012 at 11:32 am
Anonymous
“One more point: rural property owners large and small agree that county land policy is an ungoverned mess”
Marijuana growers want/ed it this way.
May 2, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Charley
Occasionally I try to bring up facts. But facts don’t matter.
Eric, I was referring to the EIR discussion in this week’s newspapers, where Park representatives said they hoped to avoid getting an EIR attached to the water service they want to expand to multiple ownerships. Have you read the coverage? It’s an example of actual complexity, like the world is made of, and your ‘correction’ isn’t.
A1, I was criticized here for taking umbrage at Clif’s false facts on the radio before correcting them. Eric’s shuffling of EIRs is his trick, not mine.
A2, I’m not convinced marijuana growers run this county but I’ll be interested in your proof.
Why doesn’t anyone address the fact that actually matters, which is that our biggest local developers are Clif’s supporters–yet Clif is supposedly running against their evil interests. Come on. Why doesn’t this fact make your blog-brains explode? Even a little nosebleed?
May 2, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Eric Kirk
I haven’t read the coverage, but I know the issue. There’s no real “expansion” involved, except for bathrooms and water fawcetts. Otherwise, the usage is historic.
The EIR would pertain to taking land out of agricultural zoning, which is covered in the park’s GPA EIR. What certain individuals want is to make the annexation cost-prohibitive by requiring an additional redundant EIR, and then force the park to spend a hundred thousand or so to annex in the future – for bathrooms and drinking fawcetts. At this point we aren’t asking for anything from the GSD which we haven’t had before – service to the park and service to Goldeen’s property.
Estelle supports the park by the way. She even attended a GSD meeting on our behalf on this very issue. When it comes to the Community Park, both candidates are in full agreement.
May 2, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Anonymous
The biggest local developer is Bob McKee. He is not a Clif supporter.
Bob wants estelle to “vote to stop the lawsuit.
“A2, I’m not convinced marijuana growers run this county but I’ll be interested in your proof.”
Charley, I did not say this, I said marijuana growers WANT “AN UNGOVERNED mess”(your words). They want to be free to do as they please.
May 2, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Charley
I support the Park. The issue is more than park faucets, it’s routing Garberville water to the investment property that helped finance the park, then was subdivided from it, which may now be subdivided outside the Park’s control. That’s what’s called ‘out of control development’ when someone who doesn’t support Mark or Clif wants to do it. Bogeyman!
And so we have another silly straw-dog debate of the deaf. Carry on.
ps, Clif didn’t vote against armed code enforcement. He went along with the Board refusing to pay for the administration that would make arming them legal, after first moving to arm them. No one else on the board wanted to spend that much money. I sure don’t know why he doesn’t straighten out his supporters about this ;^]
May 2, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Eric Kirk
No Charley, you’re misinformed. The water was already being routed to both the “investment property” and the park. You don’t understand the situation, and you’re jumbling things. The issue really is bathrooms and drinking fawcetts. Unfortunately, the last GSD meeting was very poorly managed, and I think it generated some confusion.
You might want to talk to Estelle about the issue. I would imagine that she’s up on it.
May 2, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Mike Losey, Fortuna
It sounds like Charley is one of those people who either doesn’t care about the facts or will twist them around to support his candidate, no matter what the facts are. I think he might be the bogeyman he’s actually talking about! Wow!
May 2, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Charley
Did you say ‘historic,’ Eric? How come you get history on your side but thousands of homesteaders don’t, hmm?
I’m sure I don’t understand the situation. I’m not sure anyone can, because it’s so entangled with county politics and planning. The question of whether the investment property will be watered throughout and further sub-divided is very divisive.
A2, Sanford Goldeen is the investor party. Bob isn’t driving the Community Park, and he hasn’t developed anything since the Tooby mess began 12 years ago. He is our biggest former developer.
When you said that pot growers want things to be the way they are, I used logic, sorry about that. Logically, you were imputing agency to the people you suggested were responsible for the way things are. Now I realize all you meant to say was “BOGEYMAN!”
May 2, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Charley
Mike, I’ve been involved in these issues since before I made the mistake of supporting Clif four years ago. So have many other people across the county. The blogs are full of our discussions. Get informed. The issues haven’t changed, the problems haven’t changed. The solutions haven’t changed. And I do thank Clif for that, but not him alone.
You’re right though, that projection is a fascinating political force. (Did someone say Bogeyman?)
May 2, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Anonymous
“ps, Clif didn’t vote against armed code enforcement.”
What does that have to do with this conversation? And where does that thought come from Charley?
May 2, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Eric Kirk
It’s not going to be further subdivided Charley. Goldeen is planning to sell his property and move on. He was driven out by our local craziness. He’s just trying to maintain the water service he has, which has always (“historically”) been delivered through the same pipe to both the Goldeen property and the property currently owned by the park. The issue is whether we can include additional portions of the park to the service, including Tooby Park and where we would like to see some ball fields. In other words, again, it’s about bathrooms and drinking fawcetts.
It’s a little complicated, but it’s become much more complicated because certain individuals want to complicate things. Planning isn’t involved. I blame the state for mandating that a local utility service has to be some sort of gate keeper for agricultural land use, etc. – an issue that’s already being dealt with by the GPA process and the EIR the park is conducting. It will be nice if the GSD will simply maintain the status quo with some restrictions on park water use until we finish with the general plan amendment and the GSD can simply piggy-back on our EIR (if necessary) and rely on the county’s findings.
But certain individuals don’t want a park where it is. They don’t want the ball fields that the community desperately needs. So they are going to make every step as difficult and expensive as they can.
Again, talk to your candidate Charley. There really is no difference of position between her’s and Clif’s on this issue. As David Cobb pointed out at the County hearing a couple of years ago, when you have spokespeople from Local Solutions and HumCPR on the same side of an issue like the Community Park, you’ve got a pretty solid consensus.
And the irony is that if the detractors have their way, Goldeen would in fact be able to develop his property if he wanted to (and the county allowed him to). But they wouldn’t care because it’s away from their properties. They only attack him as collateral damage to get at the park. It is only the park that will be affected if the GSD refuses to serve the park.
May 2, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Anonymous
ps, Charley, you should be thrilled that the park want to put in poopers. Aren’t you the one that was talking about pooping in the woods in another conversation? The homeless will have a nice place to potty. They will have to do a little planning ahead since the park is so far from town. But what the hell, they can just hang out at the park farm and lend a helping hand.
pps, Sanford Goldeen was brought on board by Bob McKee. Bob knew what Sanford had planned. Bob wanted to do it himself, but got all messed up when he violated the Williamson Act, and the county called him on it.
May 2, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Anonymous
“BOGEYMAN!”
May 3, 2012 at 7:23 am
Dave Kirby
I think Estelle would make a fine supervisor. Having said that she is going to have a hard time unseating Clif. Especially if the race continues revolve around issues that have very little impact on the voters of Fortuna and Rio Dell. The vast majority of these folks don’t care a rat’s patootie about the GPU, Bob McKee or how many pot holes there are in downtown G’ville. From what I hear most folks down here have already made up their minds so flogging these same issues may not change anything.
May 3, 2012 at 7:27 am
Eric Kirk
They’re trying to hit him on his opposition to the big box proposal for the old mill site – next to his orchard. But he was public about that opposition four years ago. I’m not sure it’s making traction, but I’ve already had a conversation with an elderly woman who isn’t happy about his opposition.
I’m not sure what else might have an impact in Fortuna and Rio Dell. They generally don’t want much from the county anyway, but just want to be left alone. Maybe the “Arcata connections” theme would have some traction? it’s a bit obscure for most voters.
May 3, 2012 at 8:31 am
Anonymous
I worked side by side with estelle Dave.
She has no scruples.
May 3, 2012 at 9:08 am
Ernie's Place
The elderly people of Fortuna wanted a Walmart at the old mill-site by the freeway. They live on a fixed income and the don’t give a “Dave’s rat patooty” about the economy, jobs, or even roads,. All they want is to live comfortably within their income. Clif lost a lot of support from them by opposing Walmart in Fortuna. The working people of Humboldt County probably feel differently, but there is a very large percentage of elderly live in Fortuna.
May 3, 2012 at 10:35 am
Jim Ferguson
They’re trying to hit him on his opposition to the big box proposal for the old mill site – next to his orchard….
They who?
May 3, 2012 at 11:21 am
Ernie's Place
Ain’t politics fun!!!
May 3, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Anonymous
“All they want is to live comfortably within their income.”
Guess they don’t care who gets hurt from the Walmart.
May 3, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Anonymous
But if the park “historically” had GSD water, as the boards claim, why haven’t they ever had drinking fountains there, that are suddenly now so desperately needed before the zoning and land use changes are made public?
You don’t have to be in the water district to provide drinking fountains, ya know.
May 3, 2012 at 7:10 pm
ICU812
Eric, some questions please, about your earlier conversation with Charlie. I too read the newspapers articles about Garberville SD and the CP water development annexation. A couple of items in the papers caught my eye. 1~It would seem (without putting words in your mouth) the back and forth between you and Charlie comes across as a knee jerk damage control reaction? 2~Did you attend the meeting at Garberville SD? 3~Did you submit comments for the Garberville SD annexation? 4~When did Clif and Fennell support this CP annexation for water? 5~What did you mean by “investment property” when talking with Charlie? 6~What did you mean by “He was driven out by our local craziness”, referring to Goldeen’s property? 7~And last but not least, in the RT article, it said the CP gets 40,000 plus visitors? This one peaks my curiosity and blows my mind, since that is twice the population of Eureka. How does the CP count visitors to the CP? Wow, 40,000 people, no wonder Sprowel Creek Road is so flucked up! Does Garberville get that many visitors that stop and walk around very year? Do the Caltrans rest stops on 101 get that many people? 8~Is this where the new public restrooms for Garberville will be located?
May 3, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Eric Kirk
Jim – his opposition in Fortuna.
Ernie – I don’t know that WalMart was ever a possibility at the site. I heard from the Security National people that it was Lowe’s. They were trying to sell me on the Home Depot in Eureka with the idea that it would kill the Lowe’s idea in Fortuna. To my knowledge, for WalMart it has always been Eureka or nothing.
Four years ago when asked whether she would support a big box in Fortuna Estelle responded that “it depends on which big box.” I always figured that meant she would not support a WalMart (but maybe Lowe’s?). This time when she was asked about WalMart at the Mateel debate (I don’t know if the question specified Fortuna) her response was that she doesn’t buy cheap plastic crap from China and the audience cheered. I wasn’t quite sure whether that meant she would oppose it, or allow it but not opt to shop there personally.
I understand the frustrations of elderly and poor who want decent prices for goods. But is WalMart really much of a better deal than KMART?
May 4, 2012 at 4:56 am
S
Eric, you don’t understand the frustrations of the elderly and poor, you’re just saying your lie to cover your lawyer ass which consistently supports Progs anti-poor, anti-big box, pro-EPIC, pro-enviro lawsuit candidates for office. You’re a political player and what comes out of your mouth is what supports your political ambitions and actually helping us on fixed incomes was never part of your game plan or that of your candidates for office.
May 4, 2012 at 6:33 am
mresquan
Incidentally,Dean Glaser,the Fortuna city council member with the most interest in big box development and WalMart has endorsed Clif.
May 4, 2012 at 7:21 am
Dave Kirby
It was a Lowes that was being considered not Wal Mart in Fortuna. As I sit here staring at “cheap plastic crap from China” ,my computer. The phrase smacks of bigotry. Reminds me when “made in Japan” meant poorly made merchandise. That was until they damn near destroyed the american auto industry and taught us a thing or two about quality control and durability. And there is real uncertainty as to how much longer Sears/Kmart can stay in business. Analysts are telling Sears to get out of the soft goods business and concentrate on their strengths, appliances,hardware and automotive. The majority of the tools they sell are made in China. You just can’t get away from “cheap plastic crap from China”.
May 4, 2012 at 8:07 am
Anonymous
estelle is disingenuous. She will say or do anything to get elected.
But is WalMart really much of a better deal than KMART?
Not really.
May 4, 2012 at 9:47 am
ICU812
Does Costco sell products made in China? How many products sold in Garberville and Redfway come from China? Ernie, how many products you sell everyday come from outside the USA? Same with Napa Auto parts and Ace Hardware. Even Snap-On and MAC Tools, the list of so called “Made in USA” products have priced themself right out their own market.
http://www.made-in-china.com/
Does a Capitalist care where products are made if he or she can make a buck?
However, what is changing is the Chinese work force. They are getting hip to what is hip and they want a slice of the Americana Apple Pie.
No ticky no laundry……………………….
May 4, 2012 at 11:27 am
Anonymous
I must say the letter in this weeks Independent by Cheryl Albritton is another mouthful.
Looks like the reggae war is still an albacore around Estelle’s neck.
May 4, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Ernie's Place
The reason that I hesitate to mention things on a blog is because some people have a poor grasp of what is really being said, what I said was <"The elderly people of Fortuna wanted a Walmart at the old mill-site by the freeway."
Many of the elderly people of Fortuna had those hopes, regardless of the possibilities, and I have heard many of them express that very thought.
The reason that the benefit of a Walmart can’t be discussed here is because of a lack of understanding of world economics by the average blog reader. It can’t be discussed on a blog because most people only want better pricing.
I have said it many times, the job of the American consumer is to take care of themselves and their families as best that they can. If they can do that by shopping at Walmart, so be it. It is the job of our elected representatives to protect of from the predatory practices of offshore countries that manipulate the value of their currencies to the point that they will always be able to provide a better product at a cheaper price. They don’t care, as long as our dollars are moving their way. When we ran out of dollars it should have been a clue, but no, the ultra greedy conceived a plan where trillions of dollars were borrowed from our Grandkids to keep feeding the ultra-wealthy and the ultra-greedy that truly run this country.
The only time that people feel the difference is when they loose their job to an offshore company. Then they will still shop at Walmart because they can stretch their welfare farther. Just like rats will keep hitting the sugar lever until they die, the average American does not have a clue as to what is good for them. Nor should they, we are supposed to be served by the government fair balance of trade policies.
I could go on but you would get bored…
May 4, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Eric Kirk
It’s a good point Ernie, though I do think that some of us who are a little better off don’t have the same excuse. We can make choices. Green products began much more expensive than they are in real dollars, but they became cheaper because there was a significant market generated by those who could afford the initial prices. Organic produce is becoming cheaper because strains of produce are becoming more pest resistant, and on some occasions organic choices are actually cheaper than conventional. But the organics industry never would have reached that point without a market for people willing to spend five bucks on a basket of organic strawberries. Eventually economies of scale kick in. Similarly, those of us with the means can at least provide some support for businesses which are better for everyone in the long run.
May 4, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Anonymous
Dave Kirby
It was a Lowes that was being considered not Wal Mart in Fortuna
Ernie’s Place
The reason that I hesitate to mention things on a blog is because some people have a poor grasp of what is really being said, what I said was <"The elderly people of Fortuna wanted a Walmart at the old mill-site by the freeway."
ernie, are you dissing Dave and his poor grasp of reality?
May 4, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Ernie's Place
The problem being that, even with an ecconomy of scale, China can lower the value of their yuan and defete even that. We can never win until an even balance of trade is established. We can never win exporting our wealth, and importing their “crap”.
May 4, 2012 at 6:26 pm
ICU812
Eric said, “I understand the frustrations of elderly and poor who want decent prices for goods. But is WalMart really much of a better deal than KMART?”
If you have to ask the question about Kmart vs Walmart prices, you do not understand anything. I hope you never have to just buy something because of price not quality. For you to “understanding the frustrations of elderly and poor who want decent prices for goods” is like you knowing what its like to be black or native american.
May 4, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Jim Ferguson
Actually, cheap Chinese crap was part of ine of Dave Sky’s questions that was sent to the candidates before the debate.
May 5, 2012 at 3:04 am
S
Actually, economic development visions are ignored here which is why Humboldt County remains an economic backwater except for the hidden wealthy pot grower class. When pot lawyers and real estate agents give their blessings to both Supervisor candidates for office we can be assured visionless leadership and continued economic decline.
May 5, 2012 at 8:23 am
Anonymous
Yep, and Denson changed the wording in the question to cheap stuff from China because he thought the question was to leading and from the Fennell campaign. That’s why she kept repeating those words, cheap crap from China.
A cultural redirection,probably at least 2 generations, will be needed to change the mentality of cheap crap from China. People have been hypnotized by the media and corporations for such a long time. Remember keep up with the Jones’, and then shop ’til you drop. Fast forward to today, the economy has necessitated cheap places to shop. The bourgeoning middle class is gone. And really nothing is made in Amerca.
For those on a fixed income, where you shop makes a difference. In Garberville at the Bootleg, a pair of work pants for myself is around $40. In Eureka at Costco, a similar pair of pants is $13. Neither pair is made in China. If I only have $50 to spend to get work pants and food, I’m going to Costco.
As far as Wal-Mart, Fortuna isn’t an appropriate place. It is a home town. Eureka is far more appropriate. It is saturated with big box stores, Target,K-Mart, Winco, Sears, Costco,Wal-Mart coming soon, gives a very wide selection of cheap shopping. It is 15 min. from Eureka. A short bus or car trip.
Ernie, where do most of the items you sell in your store come from ?
May 5, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Anonymous
estelle had another fall on her face moment at the forum last night in Shelter cove. She was asked about her position on prop 29. She had the same blank look on her face, and gave the same answer she gave at the MCC when asked about the Eureka Waterfront Dr. issue.
To bad I was sitting in front of you Jim, and not behind you.
estelle is unaware and uniformed. How anyone can vote for her is beyond my comprehension. All of her answers were just political b.s.
Clif was prepared, took notes. Looking like he is ready for the task.
May 5, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Anonymous
That should have been estelle is unaware and UNinformed
May 5, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Ernie's Place
”Ernie, where do most of the items you sell in your store come from ?”
As I said, a blogsite is not the place to discuss a serious issue. I’m going to assume this is an honest and sincere question, so I will answer it as best that I can. It will sound a lot like I’m repeating myself… Because I am. some people have a poor grasp of what is really being said,
I have said it many times, the job of the American consumer is to take care of themselves and their families as best that they can. If they can do that by shopping at Walmart, (or Radio shack) so be it. It is the job of our elected representatives to protect us from the predatory practices of offshore countries that manipulate the value of their currencies to the point that they will always be able to provide a better product at a cheaper price.
Many years ago, when we bought the Radio Shack store, most items were made in the U.S, the majority of those were made in Texas. As fair trade laws were killed and we were forced to live in “A world economy”. The American worker started losing jobs to offshore countries like China that manipulated their currency, had NO environmental restrictions, few worker’s rights, and poor land use restrictions. So… Here we are. Our government officials failed to protect the American worker. In fact they participated in demonizing them. The average American was led to believe that the American worker was simply too greedy, and taunted us with cheap Chinese products to prove their point.
Back in the ‘50s and ‘60s, we all had good jobs. One person with a good job could support their family, buy a house and a car, send their kids to college, and retire at 60 Years old. With a good job, you can pay a steep price for a product and still have plenty of money left over. What happened is, when the ultra-wealthy paid for the election of a few key politicians, and bought up most of the mainstream media, we started hearing about how inexpensive offshore products were, we started gleefully buying them. It was great while we still had jobs. As our jobs left our shores, and our wealth disappeared, our women and children started having to get jobs to make ends meet. Soon the economy was so bad that the most qualified people were being forced to work at jobs that were beneath their abilities.
Eventually the American economy came close to a complete collapse, so, rather than address the real problem we borrowed money from our grandchildren, and here we go again.
I would way rather see American capitalist making good money on American Labor, instead of offshore labor, But, that would actually need for the average American to start paying attention.
Sadly, our attention span can even cover a blog post.
May 5, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Ernie's Place
…Can’t even….
May 6, 2012 at 7:20 am
Jim Ferguson
3:54 – Of course, I disagree and think Estelle hit it out of the park where at best, Clif hit a double.
Let’s assume for a minute I’m a reasonably well informed person politically. But also, that I pay more attention to issues that directly effect Humboldt County. Like, I know all three proposed MJ ballot measures failed to gather enough signatures., etc.
Until I was listening to KMUD News Friday night, I had not heard a single thing about Prop. 29. Period. Estelle simply said she hadn’t read the wording of the measure yet. Personally, I find it admirable that she wants to know what a Proposition is about before expressing an opinion. As they say, the devil is in the details. And by the way, Clif didn’t know anything about it either.
What I got a kick out of was how many questions about potholes.
Moving on to more important matters, had a wonder discussion with Clif after the Shelter Cove debate and his Arcata based campaign manager Elizabeth Conners. Elizabeth talked about how she had just lost a job in Washington DC.
Estelle’s event at Whitethorn Winery was fantastic. Very well attended and people had a great time.
Next up, the CLMP debate Monday.
May 6, 2012 at 8:05 am
Ernie's Place
Since the board of supervisors failed to get the STIP approved for Humboldt Co. roads, maybe they can get an approval to buy the road crews cans of red spray paint to paint the chuck-holes red.
May 6, 2012 at 8:06 am
Anonymous
Ya see Jim,, there you go lying and spinning again. Yep, lots of questions about potholes. Interesting that Clif told everyone he was there a couple weeks ago with county roads. I think most people got it that when you’re broke, you’re broke. And he is trying to address the issue.
Another lie and spin Jim. Arcata based Elizabeth Conners is not Clif’s campaign manager. The campaign co-chairs are Kent and Terri Bradshaw, Jon Sapper, Mike and Debra Lake.
I heard the turn out at Whitethorn was okay, and yes, people had a great time drinking. The turn out at Beginnings was fantastic.
May 6, 2012 at 8:08 am
Anonymous
You may be trying to be funny ernie, but the worst of the pot holes on the Shelter Cove Rd. do have spray paint around them.
May 6, 2012 at 11:15 am
S
Ernie, it’s not about anti-Americanism, anti-US worker, it’s about capitalism and the inevitable movement of capital towards those corporations that can produce the most salable goods for the least cost. It is inevitable that Asians would produce the world’s largest supply of workers willing to work at the cheapest rates so this is where corporate production and capital goes to. A dollar to a Chinese worker still goes a lot farther in their economy than a dollar goes here and as long as that’s the case, you will get Made in China, outsourced in India, destroying Made in America. And really think about the old Japanese model when we American’s said the same thing about Japanese junk products and now look at their quality vs. ours..
American labor cannot outproduce Asians but we can find unique economic niches and as a dedicated communitarian I am promoting American production going into community self-sufficiency systems that in the end will provide worldwide economic self-sufficiency and an end to the corporate monopolies destroying national economies and the earth’s resources.
May 6, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Jim Ferguson
8:06 -
I doubt Clif would ever use words like “lie” and “lying”. He has more class than that.
There is a difference in political terms between being a Campaign Chair and Campaign Manager. Most campaigns have Chairs, sometimes dozens, but none of those people mentioned are actually “running” Clif’s campaign.
You tell me. Clif is paying Elizabeth. She shows up with him at the KEET debate, Shelter Cove debate, and other important events. If that’s not a campaign manager, I don’t know what is. And, are you upset I called her his campaign manager or that I mentioned she was Arcata based? And one of the concerns about Clif is that he is connected at the hip to Mark Lovelace who represents Arcata?
Anyway, I’m glad Clif’s event at Briceland was a success. And I would never wish otherwise.
May 6, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Eric Kirk
I doubt Clif would ever use words like “lie” and “lying”. He has more class than that.
I agree, and I also agree that it really doesn’t matter what the title is. Elizabeth is very involved with the campaign, and if that association carries benefit or baggage, it is what it is. She supports Clif. As she is a good person who is knowledgeable about campaigns, I think that’s a good thing, whether she’s from Arcata, Garberville, or Singapore.
May 6, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Dave Kirby
Having been to a number of “debates” the last time Estelle ran it became pretty apparent that the vast majority of folks who watch or attend these Q&A s are partisan political junkies who hope the other guy makes some major blunder while on stage. In the long run they are pretty much meaningless. As one can tell by the comments here there is very little objectivity. Supporters always spin their candidate’s performance.
May 6, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Dave Kirby
I say they are meaningless because I also attended a number of these in 92 when Roy Heider won. Heider could barely talk. He’d get so nervous before the event that he would damn near freeze up. On the other hand Roger Rodoni was the Foghorn Leghorn in the race. He was an orator whose main problem was not knowing when to shut up. King of the tangent. But in the end his verbal skills made little difference in the outcome. Roger’s supporters enjoyed making Heider look dumber. I remember a planted question at a Fortuna event directed at Heider…” In your position as supervisor what would you do to enhance the harvest of pelagic resources” As I recall Roger did 15 minutes on the subject.
May 7, 2012 at 8:11 am
Anonymous
I attended Clif’s event at the Veteran’s Building in Fortuna yesterday. A beautiful day with Greg Dale from Coast Seafood barbequing oysters, hamburgers and hotdogs. Through the the three hours, I would estimate more than one hundred people filed in ate, drank, talked and filed out. Just a very good time with everyone. Quite a few people whom I did not know, so I was glad to see different folks attending. Clif is gaining momentum but I also believe he has always had the support of the majority of voters in Fortuna.
May 7, 2012 at 8:57 am
Ernie's Place
Heider won on honesty and integrity… That’s also why he lost his re-election.
May 7, 2012 at 11:08 am
Eric Kirk
8:11 – Sorry I missed it. I hope to be in Briceland next Sunday. I’ll be driving straight from my kids’ musical performances at HSU, but I should be there for most of it.
May 7, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Anonymous
Well here’s some breaking news, courtesy of the Lost Coast Outpost:
The director of the county’s Community Development Services Department, Kirk Girard, just announced today that he’s leaving Humboldt to take a job in Santa Clara.
http://lostcoastoutpost.com/2012/may/7/longtime-planning-director-kirk-girard-leave-humbo/#disqus_thread
Humboldt’s Board of Supervisors had recently voted to split the community development services department in two, removing Girard’s authority over the planning and building department, and leaving him with the newly created title of “Director of Economic Development and Natural Resources.”
May 7, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Eric Kirk
Can’t say that I’m surprised.
May 7, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Dave Kirby
Kirk has served far longer than the statewide average tenure for his post. Overall he must have done something right. Having served as a planning comish I do not share the disdain for staff that the developers have expressed for as long as I can remember. I thought the folks at planning did a decent job under pressure from competing interests.
May 7, 2012 at 6:40 pm
tra
Sounds like when the County Supervisors approved the reorganization plan that shuffled Mr. Girard over into a newly created job, which left him with reduced authority under the title “Director of Economic Development and Natural Resources,” that didn’t sit well with Mr. Girard, even though his pay would have remained the same.
Can’t say as I blame him, because, generous salary notwithstanding, the “reorganization” still came across as a rebuke to Mr. Girard.