You would almost think it was synchronized, but Clif had five letters of support in the Independent this week (still haven’t read the Redwood Times). None for Estelle, but I would expect a responsive torrent of Estelle supporting letters over the next few weeks. I’m sure they got a pile by the deadline of 12:00 this morning.
There are only two candidates this time around. There will be no run-off. There will be no whining from the losing side about how someone won with less than a majority (well, I can’t promise there won’t be whining, but it will be less compelling). Basically, if Clif takes 60 percent of the northern votes, and Estelle takes two-thirds of the southern votes, and assuming both areas vote at the same rate, you have an even election. The information I have suggests that Clif will take the majority of northern votes and Estelle will take a significant majority of the southern votes. I could, of course, be completely wrong on one or both counts, but I’m pretty confident of those loose numbers. If so, this could be a close election, and it’s going to be all about GOTV. Both campaigns have some seasoned veterans, so all bets are off on GOTV.
There are already some very strong feelings in this race, and I’m going to pull back a little in my participation in the arguments. This means that in any disagreement with me, you will always have the last word. I will, within the next couple of weeks, explain my support for Clif (there are some very articulate arguments in the above-mentioned letters), and I will probably leave it at that. I would urge participants to remember that the candidates and their supporters are human beings, and either Estelle or Clif will be just fine if she or he loses (and hopefully the county as well). This isn’t a death match. And there will always be music.
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April 19, 2012 at 8:49 pm
pathetic actually
eric do you have real numbers you’re using, or is this your seat of the pants estimate of how many people vote where? i’d more likely estimate that if clif takes 60% of the northern vote, estelle would have to seize virtually EVERY southern ballot–my understanding of the number of actual voters in the north is that it’s much greater than in sohum. maybe someone has the actual number of registered voters who cast ballots in the last supervisorial election broken down by north/south.
my guess is that last election’s turnout will turn out(hehe) to be higher, due to roger/johanna’s presence on the ballot back then. this year’s presidential primary shouldn’t help with the draw either. both parties’ candidates seem pretty much set. clif took 2848 votes then, estelle 2225 and roger 2930.
for estelle to win, it seems that there must be a combination of factors to make it possible. there could be a large defection of clif voters disappointed in his performance–some will defect, but i think it might be rather modest. estellians could get a HUGE number of people to the polls with a robust GOTV effort as eric suggests. this might be her best avenue for picking up votes. or estelle could pick up a disproportionate share of rodonians. if the majority who don’t just choose to sit it out will go to clif(as i suspect), estelle cannot win.
mebbe i’m wrong. oh well, all i really know is that the first tuesday in june, we’re likely to actually choose one of them as second district supervisor.
April 19, 2012 at 9:01 pm
janeyisadoe@gmail.com
Just say NO to Estelle. Is that brief and uncontroversial enough?
April 19, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Anonymous
“And there will always be music.”
You are a class act Eric. I have backed off saying a lot of things lately for fear that they would be taken wrong, now I understand that you have been doing the same thing. When I got involved in this campaign I decided that my friends are far more important to me than politics. I still feel that way.
I must say that I was disappointed with loss of the pavement funding for Redwood Drive. And, I still feel that we were some kind of a bargaining chip. Only a very few people know for sure whether or not Redwood drive could have still been paved under the current STIP agreement. I have wanted to see Redwood drive be paved for a long time. It has not been paved since Harry Pritchard’s years back in the ‘80s. To see it come so close to reality and have it all disappear in a puff of dust, (literally, pun intended) was incredibly disappointing. However, I will not pursue it any further.
I even started reading up on Federal and state transportation funding, I discover at the rate that I was going, I should have it all figured out sometime shortly after the election. I did discover that the funding was intended to be determined by local options. What that means in detail was… just that, too detailed. No wonder we elect Supervisors to do that reading for us.
The Tooby / Buck Mountain / Williamson act Lawsuit expenses have been successfully hidden from public view. Roger Rodoni Lost my support for not backing away from that. Nobody has been able to successfully explain the reasoning behind the lawsuit. Someday, like it or not, the details of the lawsuit will bubble over and become the talk of all the blogs. If the county loses, there will be hell to pay, and pay. I suspect that the county will lose. I know that you can’t talk about this Eric, but I just wanted to express my fears.
All in all, I agree with you that there are a lot of people, and friends, out there that just can’t see eye to eye, and the argument is not worth it.
April 19, 2012 at 10:24 pm
erniebranscomb
“And there will always be music.”
You are a class act Eric. I have backed off saying a lot of things lately for fear that they would be taken wrong, now I understand that you have been doing the same thing. When I got involved in this campaign I decided that my friends are far more important to me than politics. I still feel that way.
I must say that I was disappointed with loss of the pavement funding for Redwood Drive. And, I still feel that we were some kind of a bargaining chip. Only a very few people know for sure whether or not Redwood drive could have still been paved under the current STIP agreement. I have wanted to see Redwood drive be paved for a long time. It has not been paved since Harry Pritchard’s years back in the ‘80s. To see it come so close to reality and have it all disappear in a puff of dust, (literally, pun intended) was incredibly disappointing. However, I will not pursue it any further.
I even started reading up on Federal and state transportation funding, I discover at the rate that I was going, I should have it all figured out sometime shortly after the election. I did discover that the funding was intended to be determined by local options. What that means in detail was… just that, too detailed. No wonder we elect Supervisors to do that reading for us.
The Tooby / Buck Mountain / Williamson act Lawsuit expenses have been successfully hidden from public view. Roger Rodoni Lost my support for not backing away from that. Nobody has been able to successfully explain the reasoning behind the lawsuit. Someday, like it or not, the details of the lawsuit will bubble over and become the talk of all the blogs. If the county loses, there will be hell to pay, and pay. I suspect that the county will lose. I know that you can’t talk about this Eric, but I just wanted to express my fears.
All in all, I agree with you that there are a lot of people, and friends, out there that just can’t see eye to eye, and the argument is not worth it.
April 20, 2012 at 6:04 am
anon
prediction:
clif 57
estelle 43
April 20, 2012 at 7:09 am
Dave Kirby
A couple of points. Having Scotia out of the district should help Estelle. Scotia doesn’t have a lot of voters but in a close race who knows? Estelle will have to do better than the Mateel “debate” straw poll results down here.But I feel the anti Estelle Mateel folks may have skewed the numbers a bit. In 92 when Hieder won Rodoni, as I recall, got only a handful of votes locally and Heider won two Fortuna precincts. Still Roy’s margin of victory was only a little over 100 votes. Does anyone know whether any of the other supes have taken a position on dropping the McKee lawsuit?
April 20, 2012 at 8:00 am
Anonymous
estelle’s one trick pony act is now gong to be the McKee lawsuit? Is that what you are saying Dave and ernie?
estelle is wrong on the STIP/SHOP funding, estelle is wrong about “the county is going to kick you off your land”. estelle is wrong in her position on the lawsuit.
Wouldn’t that be 3 strikes?
April 20, 2012 at 8:05 am
gpf
You know, back when I listened to Estelle on Kmud news she would neatly give the the essentials of the story and then interview involved parties. I was often surprised that she wasn’t finished. She would then follow up on statements made by the parties, and then either return to the parties, or interview someone else. ” Enough, Enough!” I would say. I felt like I had an understanding of the issue. Then she would bring up an important fact, or another interview that suddenly made more sense and completely changed the picture.
Estelle has done this for years. She is very good at it. This quality makes her very strong.
In contrast, Clif always defers to staff, experts, and any authority because, as he says, they are the experts and he is not. He doesn’t ask relevant questions, he doesn’t follow up, he doesn’t consult with his own consituents. Clif wil do what he is advised to do. Clif has no experience, and no inclination to question. This makes him weak.
It does look to me like Clif was used as a bargaining chip.
April 20, 2012 at 8:55 am
Eric Kirk
A couple of points. Having Scotia out of the district should help Estelle.
As well as the Fortuna suburb which got moved into the first. Yes, both could make a real difference in a close race.
April 20, 2012 at 10:25 am
R. D. Finch
I have had confused feelings about the two candidates in this race for a while, but lately some things about Estelle have begun to bother me:
1) In the last supervisor election, Estelle refused to drop out of the race after the June vote and defer to Clendenen (whether or not she formally supported him). If a number of people who had initially supported Estelle hadn’t switched their support to Clif, we almost certainly would now have another Rodoni as our supervisor. Estelle’s stubbornness on this point has always made me question her motivation in running in the first place, whether she placed personal ambition above the good of the district.
2) I have grave reservations about the General Plan Update, which to my mind doesn’t sufficiently distinguish between commercial development and homesteading. There is a huge difference between a population density of one family per forty acres and and 200 families per forty acres (assuming that the average suburban lot is now .2 acre). Still, I don’t want to see this election become a referendum on the GPU, which seems to be Estelle’s big issue. Her campaign slogan, “Working for YOUR Future,” seems a clear allusion to this issue. And aside from this, I don’t detect a significant difference between Estelle and Clif. Even so, the biggest difference may not be so much their respective positions on the GPU, but how big an issue they are making of this.
BUT…Estelle has been a paid spokesperson for commercial property developers for four years and is still employed by them, and these people have been by far the biggest underwriters of her campaign. This certainly creates the perception that they are running her as their candidate. Isn’t the perception of big interests controlling the political process the biggest grievance of voters disenchanted with government? To avoid the appearance of being the tool of special interests, why hasn’t Estelle ended her employment by these people and declined to accept financial contributions from them? She may not be legally required to do so, but in politics perception is everything, and her continued professional and financial connection with real estate developers raises questions in my mind about her judgment.
3) The latest flap over Estelle’s billboard in Fortuna raises additional questions about her ambition and judgment. If Estelle wants to challenge the ordinance banning such signs as an infringement of her First Amendment rights, that’s fine with me, and she may well have a point. But nobody else has defied this ordinance, and to assert that this billboard is not a political sign is arrant nonsense.
I always had great respect for Estelle’s seriousness, professionalism, and concern for the community as head of the news department at KMUD. I just wish that more of this attitude had carried over into her campaigns for supervisor.
April 20, 2012 at 11:44 am
Anonymous
Ya know gpf, my partner had the exact opposite feeling of estelles news “interivews”. She used to get so irritated and say all she does is interview someone, repeat what they say, start her lead in to the story with a repeat of what they say, all estelle does is repeat what others have already said.
For you to say Clif has no experience is insane. He has the experience from the last few years as OUR supervisor. To say he doesn’t cnonsult with his constituests, he changed his mind on the code enforecement person carrying a gun because of the input of US down here in SoHum. He does listen.
April 20, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Anonnymoose
I agree with the previous comment. I could hardly listen to the KMUD news after a while. Most news programs have an editor or producer who helps keep the program on track and concise but Estelle always refused to let any one edit her broadcasts. A typical Estelle news item would go something like this ” Mary Doe of the county Roads maintenance crew will tell you about the numerous potholes and slides on our local roads due to the recent flooding. She will also tell us about how hard it is to get funding due to the lack of state money”. This Mary Doe. I work for the Humboldt County Roads Maintenence and there are many slides and potholes in our local roads from the flooding. Funding for maintaining our roads has been impacted by the cuts from the State.” ” Thank you Mary Doe for explaining why our roads are so poorly maintained.”
I am voting for Clif because I think it takes at least a year or two to figure out how the county government works and how to get things done. Clif is willing to learn from his mistakes and handles criticism with grace. Estelle has always seemed arrogant and attacks anyone who disagrees with her (the billboard in Fortuna, her handling of the Reggae on the River controversy etc.)
April 20, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Eric Kirk
prediction:
clif 57
estelle 43
Hmmm. I think it’s going to be a bit closer.
April 20, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Dave Kirby
Ernie….I think Rodoni took the position he did on the Tooby/McKee suit because of he and Johanna’s connection to the cattle ranchers who opposed McKee’s conversion. Wasn’t Peggy Satterlee the most vocal anti McKee rancher back then? Never quite understood her position.
April 20, 2012 at 1:32 pm
gpf
Estelle worked for years to create an award winning news department. She also won awards from the Sheriffs department, chamber of commerce and more.
When a person does a lot of things, and is not afraid to step forward and speak their mind, they are bound to make some mistakes.
Estelle is a valuable person in the community with some rare qualities that would make her the perfect leader in the 2nd district supervisors chair.
As far as I could tell, Clif did not do much of anything in these last 4 years. I remember two or three times he made motions that failed because they were not seconded by any other supervisors. Other than that he his votes follow Lovelace and staff.
April 20, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Eric Kirk
I remember two or three times he made motions that failed because they were not seconded by any other supervisors.
That kind of runs against the “he won’t buck the tide” argument.
And he’s voted against Mark on a number of occasions, including most recently the Urgency Ordinance.
The line used to be that he voted with Bonnie all the time, but it’s actually not true in either case.
Ryan and Virginia vote similarly (though not identically). Is one of them just following the other? Jimmy also votes with Mark on many issues. But none of those facts fit into the “Arcata enviro-Maffia” meme.
April 20, 2012 at 2:24 pm
ICU812
gpf said:
“Estelle is a valuable person in the community with some rare qualities that would make her the perfect leader in the 2nd district supervisors chair”
So make your claim gpf, please tell us why we should vote for Estelle and not Cliff. You want to make this non-accountable remark with nothing to back it up/ Please use words to make your case, not a cheap champaign slogan. If she is the right person for your needs, expalin it and share your opinion, I’m sure Eric will not mind:
How is Estelle a valuable person in the community?
What are the rare qualities that make her the perfect learder for the second district?
April 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Ernie's Place
“Wasn’t Peggy Satterlee the most vocal anti McKee rancher back then? Never quite understood her position.”
Yep, after the original lawsuit, the ranchers that started the fuss ran like scaled puppies as soon as the shit hit the fan. The county refused to pull out, they lost their case, but asked for a retrial and got it. I think that the county is afraid that they are going to have to pay everybody’s lawyer fees. So, they kicked the can down the road, probably to avoid having to fork out money, or matbe end in a settlement of some kind. They can only kick the can so many times and it’s going to be pay-up time.
These are the opinions of this author only, and has no basis in fact. Any lawyer will tell you that the public money that has been spent has been hidden from public view. Not even a freedom of information act requst has been able to glean that info.
April 20, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Eric Kirk
The county refused to pull out, they lost their case, but asked for a retrial and got it.
Actually, and unfortunately, they didn’t get a retrial. They got a reversal. The Williamson Act contract was deemed enforceable even though unilaterally changed by the County. They’ve won on the basic issue. The only issue remaining is what measures they can take to enforce the contract. Can they nullify the sales? Our contention is no. In fact, my contention is that the remedy is to kick us out of the the Williamson Act, which would be fine with me and my clients. But it might mean that all of those back taxes would have to be paid at full rate. And maybe some fines for subsequent construction of roads, homes, etc. if deemed in violation.
April 20, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Anonomous
Clif had five letters of support???
they were nasty hit pieces against his opponent…..this is all cliff’s campaign has to offer. Negative campaigning will only backfire and he should put a stop to it.
April 20, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Anonymous
Has anyone else noticed that ernie never seems to get it quite right? There is a huge difference between a retrial and a reversal. Get a book ernie.
April 20, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Anonomous
the Mock Election Vote after the Mateel debate had Estelle winning with 67% Estelle 41 votes Clif 20 votes
that’s what the polling data is showing as well.
April 20, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Anonymous
eric, would you not post my comment about ernie? It is childish and rude.
April 20, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Anonymous
Wasn’t it McKee who filed the first lawsuit with the county to force them to issue AP numbers. They would not issue AP numbers because they were not legal parcels.
McKee tried a super short cut to make millions, and the county tripped him up. He is trying with his high price attorneys to force them into submission.
ernie, the reversal was a year or so ago, you need to double check all facts given to you by estelle because they are probably wrong.
eric, didn’t the U.S. Supreme Court refuse to hear this case?
I’m sure Bob loves all of you rallying ’round him, while he pockets the millions.
April 20, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Ernie's Place
Thank-you for the clarification Eric. I have some more interesting reading. I suggest that anybody the cares about fairness, hold your nose.
“We note that the facts of this case are unique given that the County permitted the subdivision of the property and then later argued non-compliance with the Williamson Act.”
Buck Mountain Ranch/ Humboldt County lawsuit
April 21, 2012 at 8:04 am
Anonymous
“Estelle is a valuable person in the community with some rare qualities that would make her the perfect leader in the 2nd district supervisors chair”
So make your claim gpf, please tell us why we should vote for Estelle and not Cliff. You want to make this non-accountable remark with nothing to back it up/ Please use words to make your case, not a cheap campaign slogan. If she is the right person for your needs, explain it and share your opinion, I’m sure Eric will not mind:
How is Estelle a valuable person in the community?
What are the rare qualities that make her the perfect leader for the second district?
April 21, 2012 at 8:13 am
knot-ed
Then, the court held that upon renewal of the WA contract, the 1978 guidelines were incorporated into the contract
When the contract was automatically renewed in 1979, all laws then in
effect (including the 1978 guidelines) were made part of the new contract. If either of the landowners, Tooby or McKee, objected to the new rules, the court reasoned that they could have submitted notice of non-renewal. This would have begun the winding down of the WA contract and the landowner would stop receiving the preferential tax treatment. However, without non-renewal, the contract was still in force.
The court determined that Humboldt County (“County”) Williamson Act guidelines, adopted in 1978 (the “1978 guidelines”), governed a Williamson Act contract signed in 1977. This holding meant that the new owners, Buck Mountain Ranch Limited Partnership, and the McKee’s, (collectively “Mckee”) of Tooby Ranch, consisting of over 10,000 acres, violated the Williamson Act by dividing it into parcels of 160 acres in size. This size of parcel was allowed under the County’s previous guidelines (the “1973 guidelines”).
April 21, 2012 at 8:16 am
knot-ed
So make your claim gpf, please tell us why we should vote for Estelle and not Cliff. You want to make this non-accountable remark with nothing to back it up/ Please use words to make your case, not a cheap campaign slogan. If she is the right person for your needs, explain it and share your opinion, I’m sure Eric will not mind:
How is Estelle a valuable person in the community?
What are the rare qualities that make her the perfect leader for the second district?
April 21, 2012 at 8:27 am
gpf
I remember two or three times he made motions that failed because they were not seconded by any other supervisors.
Eric says, “That kind of runs against the “he won’t buck the tide” argument.”
Eric, you would look at a man near to drowning and say “isn’t he great, look at him bucking the tide!”
So Clif makes motions that none of the other supervisors will second, and he does this to show them he is against them?
One time this followed compelling testimony from the public – and because of this, the other supervisors obviously had a change of heart from what they hoped to complete this day. When the speakers were finished, Clif, without even speaking to another of his colleagues, or acknowleging the public testimony, motioned that we follow staff recommendations. The other supervisors were silent, and the motion failed because there was no second.
So Eric, what was Clif saying here?
April 21, 2012 at 9:58 am
ICU812
Since gpf doesn’t want to chime in about Fennell, lets recap her platform so far:
She is all for increased river and instream construction aggregate production.
She endorses conversion of prime farm ag land for development, subdivision and housing.
She approves of the Caltrans plans thru Richardson Grove.
She wants to free Bob McKee.
Oh yeah and everything HUMCPR
April 21, 2012 at 9:58 am
Eric Kirk
So Clif makes motions that none of the other supervisors will second, and he does this to show them he is against them?
One time this followed compelling testimony from the public – and because of this, the other supervisors obviously had a change of heart from what they hoped to complete this day. When the speakers were finished, Clif, without even speaking to another of his colleagues, or acknowleging the public testimony, motioned that we follow staff recommendations. The other supervisors were silent, and the motion failed because there was no second.
So Eric, what was Clif saying here?
Clif was saying that he supported the staff recommendation, which was eventually passed with a minor change if it’s the vote I was present for. He had received all of the input the other Supervisors were still digesting, so he was a few steps ahead of them.
But generally, if someone makes a motion others don’t second, it means he has a position which is not shared by any of the other Supervisors. By your count that happened three times.
April 21, 2012 at 9:59 am
Eric Kirk
the Mock Election Vote after the Mateel debate had Estelle winning with 67% Estelle 41 votes Clif 20 votes
So how many Fortuna votes were represented in the straw poll?
April 21, 2012 at 10:17 am
S
I was a friend long enough with Roger Rodoni to know that his opposition to Bob McKee’s Tooby Ranch was only the tip of the iceberg and last straw Roger could not take from the developer he believed to be scamming Humboldt County for decades and making millions in the process.
April 21, 2012 at 10:19 am
Eric Kirk
As for the Toobey Ranch case, again, it’s very complicated and both of the primary parties are throwing literally reams of paperwork a month in motions and the issues to be tried are slowly being pared down. Part of the reason I don’t discuss the case is a general policy of not discussing my cases on blog. Another reason is that in order to explain the issues I would have to spend hours typing. The problem is that people who support all sides have a little part of the issues and have generated huge opinions based upon a very limited understanding. This is usually the case with high profile litigation, and even the legal papers like the Daily Journal often bungle the issues – with lawyer reporters doing to the writing. Yes, the Supreme Court refused to hear the case. No, it really doesn’t mean much. Yes, McKee won the trial, but it’s the last appellate court to hear it that matters.
The cases against the secondary defendants, ten of which I represent, are pretty much in stasis until the primary parties have resolved their issues, one way or another. However, some of the secondary defendants may be able to settle their cases ahead of time. Unfortunately, the primary case is taking most of the County’s time and energy. And every defendant’s situation is profoundly unique.
The county took permit application fees and began to process permit applications. Some of them have been on hold as long as 10 years. But sooner or later the Court is going to force the matter to trial.
And here’s a hint. Everybody is focusing on the sunshine law request for legal fee information. If somebody really wants to do some digging, you don’t even need the sunshine law to get the court file. You just have to go in to the clerk’s office and ask to look at the file. If the Judge doesn’t have it, you can look at it. If you can lift it.
April 21, 2012 at 11:34 am
knot-ed
Bob McKee’s Tooby Ranch was only the tip of the iceberg and last straw. Roger could not take it,from the developer he believed to be scamming Humboldt County for decades and making millions in the process.
And the truth shall set you free!
April 21, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Sonia Baur, M.D.
Me, I’m supporting the first candidate that promises to promptly permit a public toilet in Garberville, whether it be a porti-potty on the county land where the vet’s park is, or at the Chamber of Commerce office on Redwood Drive (since we already fund them with public monies for at least $20K per year). My good health, like yours, depends on good public heath practices. What could be more important?
April 21, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Ernie's Place
“S” said:
” I was a friend long enough with Roger Rodoni to know that his opposition to Bob McKee’s Tooby Ranch was only the tip of the iceberg and last straw Roger could not take from the developer he believed to be scamming Humboldt County for decades and making millions in the process.”
You are exactly right “S”. I called the Tooby / Williamson Act lawsuit “Roger’s windmill”. Ten or so years later we are still dreaming the impossible dream.
This whole thing has dragged on ridiculously long. With due respect to the lawyers reading, they also have no incentive to finish the case while they are still racking up billable hours. And, judges are just “Piled Higher and Deeper“ lawyers. If they are so smart why is that they seldom agree? They are like the fox guarding the chicken coup for his kits to dine.
Sorry if I seem cynical, but I’m just looking at results. If it took a contractor ten years to build a house, how long would he stay in business? I’m sure that my thoughts reflect the opinion of most people in Humboldt County. Get thee behind me Satan.
April 21, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Eric Kirk
I’ve removed the letter from Anna Hamilton. Once it’s sent to the paper, it is the property of the paper’s. If someone wants to link to it, that’s another matter.
April 21, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Anonymous
http://www.times-standard.com/letters/ci_20441083/fennell-unfit-be-county-supervisor
April 21, 2012 at 4:57 pm
ICU812
Eric, it was a letter to the editor, it doesn’t belong to anyone, its not copy right, Please share this legal opinion with us all. Please quote the law you are talking about.
April 21, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Eric Kirk
Well, most papers have a disclaimer which states that the letters become the property of the paper and therefor can be edited for space, etc. But I just googled the question, and this guy at nolo says that the author actually retains the copyright.
http://dearrichblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/letters-to-editor-who-owns-rights.html
In any case, whether it’s the TS’s copyright or Anna’s, it isn’t mine, so I’m going to ask that you not simply post the texts of letters in their entirety, especially without your own thoughts. That doesn’t meet Fair Use Doctrine criteria.
April 22, 2012 at 8:17 am
knot-ed
Google is full of information. My partner and I asked google about non profit board members endorsing political candidates. You saw the answer.
April 22, 2012 at 12:49 pm
anon
anna is just piling on…estelle is toast after the five letters against her and supporting clif in last week’s papers…the problem for her is that those writers actually act like they care, they seem to have some passion for ol’ clif…does anyone care similarly about estelle and can express it in a calm reasoned way? i doubt it but we’ll see soon…
what this boils down to is we really don’t know our neighbors, we really didn’t know estelle but now we do and see that she is a very loyal person: first to carol and her people production neighbors and next to her moneyed new friends up north. i have to admire both clif and estelle for attempting to create a job for him and herself–clif’s in now and the worse estelle will get is more employment provided by her new friends in eureka…
April 22, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Ernie's Place
I support Estelle, but I doubt that I will engage in any obvious letter writing ploy planned by eletion PACs. Last weeks flood of letters was a little too obvious. I thought that Clif had more supporters than that.
April 22, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Anonymous
I disagree that estelle is toast. ernies post above shows why. Even after estelle shows how little knowledge she has, how unaware she is of politics in Humboldt County as a whole, ernie is still supporting her.
As far as Anna “piling on”, I don’t agree with that either. Anna feels very, very deeply about what estelle did during the reggae wars, and is being true to herself when she writes these letters. Good people should stick together and shun all things bad.
ernie, care to place a friendly wager on how many letters will be in the papers in response to the letters of support for Clif? I am sure Clif has more supporters than the five in the paper as not everyone who is a supporter of his will write a letter. But, The letter writing campaign war has begun. estelle’s people are probably very upset they weren’t out of the gate first.
April 22, 2012 at 7:10 pm
S
“Good people should stick together and shun all things bad.”
But then we’d be all alone…
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
April 23, 2012 at 12:07 am
ICU812
I agree knot-ed, what does it say when a practicing attorney would use a blog thread as a legal opinion. I wonder if its as accurate as Google map directions or Wikipedia?
April 23, 2012 at 12:25 am
ICU812
Sonia Baur, M.D.~ Why would the Chamber of Commerce office on Redwood Drive need a permit for a restroom? They should just put up a sign having a public restroom. They claim to be a public benefit non-profit.
And why is there no plan in the “Town Square” to have public restrooms. After all they claim to be a public benefit non-profit and public restrooms are of public benefit? Why don’t they have a porti-potty open 24/7, its a part of doing public service.
April 23, 2012 at 4:22 am
moviedad
The Ghost of Reggae is still haunting those who chose the “wrong” side. Was anyone completely justified by the ultimate outcome? We all had different opinions regarding what KMUD, should have done. In that I mean how they should have demonstrated support for the Mateel throughout the whole debacle.
Hurts run deep. There’s a good chance that one event will be the deciding factor in Estelle’s So-Hum vote tally. People don’t forget.
The Yankees and the Rebs never really did forgive and forget, either. Of course in that case, people died.
April 23, 2012 at 7:34 am
Anonymous
“But then we’d be all alone…”
Not true S. We’d be together. :-}
There are LOTS of good people.
April 23, 2012 at 8:09 am
Anonnymoose
I know two of the letter writers and there was no “co-ordination” with the Clif campaign. They both wrote out of a deep conviction that Estelle is the wrong person to represent us on the Board of Supervisors and did so without knowing that anyone else was writing.
April 23, 2012 at 8:11 am
VoteEarly
I’ll bet that Estelle has been busy getting her supporters lined up to write letters and even giving them talking points.
April 23, 2012 at 8:25 am
Anonymous
“And why is there no plan in the “Town Square” to have public restrooms. After all they claim to be a public benefit non-profit and public restrooms are of public benefit? Why don’t they have a porti-potty open 24/7, its a part of doing public service.”
That should be in all capital letters.
April 23, 2012 at 12:07 pm
S
“Good people should stick together and shun all things bad.”
“But then we’d be all alone…”
“Not true S. We’d be together. :-}
There are LOTS of good people.”
Not if they’re hanging out only with each other. In fact, in my book, good people wouldn’t hang out with just good people–they go where they’re needed to do good. The point Jesus makes is the difference between Pharisee thinking, “Pharisee” meaning “the Separate Ones”, and savior thinking, i.e. the really righteous, the ones who do good, don’t need saving, it’s all the rest of us who do for as Pogo the Wise said, we have met the enemy and the enemy is us.
April 24, 2012 at 10:34 am
anon
okay, what has estelle done the last 20 years? talk…
and what has clif done? grown apples to cider…
oh and he’s been on the bd of sups for four years…
now i see why the incumbent is usually favored…
April 24, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Anonymous
Didn’t Clif also start the Fortuna Harvest Festival? I think he also had something to do with the Fortuna Concert Series?
April 24, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Eric Kirk
He’s done both and more for his community, and as I’m learning in this campaign, his roots run deep.
Also growing apples and maintaining a small farm business in an economic climate hostile to such a venture is no small feat. The community is much better for it.
April 24, 2012 at 1:39 pm
ICU812
Ok Eric @ 1:13pm, but how does that effect the community of Garberville or Redway, Clif’s business is in Fortuna, and how does that make him a better Supervisor?. What has either candidate done and how is the community much better for it? Will Clif spend more time in the Garberville office? Nobody will answer the question, what makes Clif or Fennell the better Supervisor from actions, not words, what make one stand out over the other for all of the Second District. Fennell wants people to think she is a SoHum home town girl. If that is the case, why is the bulk of her money coming from outside the second district, like Eureka and Arcata?