Right Out of an End-of-the-World Disaster Movie

February 23, 2012 in Uncategorized

Wasn’t it called The Day After Tomorrow or something?

Here’s an article on it.

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February 24, 2012 at 11:33 am

Chris

Reminds me of the attack on the Death Star in Star Wars.

February 25, 2012 at 9:34 am

Anonymous 9:26

My rating of that movie-
Good science, bad movie.

Back here on earth.
Something caused an ice age about 50,000 years ago that froze Mastedons to death with fresh food in their mouths.Big, healthy Mastedons. Scientists have recently discovered in northern Russia, 30,000 yr old Campion seeds in squirrels nests. They have germinated seeds and growing plants. A very beautiful plant it is. Just goes to show how quickly the climate can change.

February 25, 2012 at 10:05 am

Anonymous

9:26, so true. It never ceases to amaze me, not that people are naive, but that mass media would have us believe people are so naive. I think the ratio of awakened thinkers to complacent regurgitators on the internet is fewer than 1/1,000

http://tinyurl.com/88dkffj

February 25, 2012 at 11:25 am

Eric Kirk

My rating of that movie-
Good science, bad movie.

Ironic. My rating was fun movie, completely made up pseudo-science.

The eerieness of the tornatoes in Los Angeles with the sideways sunlight coming from the horizon while the clouds were overhead really creeped me out. And then the tidal wave scene in New York City was pretty awesome.

February 25, 2012 at 4:12 pm

Anonymous

i thought is was a really fun movie.

February 25, 2012 at 9:38 pm

10:05, awakened thinkers??? Could you possibly be more vague? fewer than 1/1,000? Could you show your work? Did you use math, or did you pull it out of your awakening?

I find that most epsilons like you tend to hear about an idea, decide you like it, then spend your time finding anecdotes that you think support it. Meanwhile you completely dismiss or ignore the reams of documented and easily verifiable data that makes the idea a pathetic joke.

The truly sad & pathetic thing is that you feel comfortable saying it! Even anonymously. It amazes me that people like you or flat Earth-ers or creationists actually don’t realize how myopic you are. But, I think you’re right, you probably are the bottom .1% or less.

February 25, 2012 at 10:04 pm

I have to give you some of the blame Eric! You said it was right out of the movie… This is the exact opposite of the movie, in the movie everything happens in a rush & at the same time. This is an event that took a long time to build up to, and will take a long time to finish. Like all geological events, it’s slow in terms of a human lifetime. But, it’s way too fast compared to other geological events, and they have a momentum so they get progressively harder to deal with the longer you take.

But, take heart all you flash-freeze & catastrophe junkies… When the sea levels do start rising, there will be plenty of action, death, and violence. Even though it will encroach slowly, the water will force people away from the coasts(where the majority of humans live). This will cause a reassessment of some peoples priorities, and other peoples property rights…

February 26, 2012 at 9:26 am

Anonymous

“While the northern animals were frozen solid in ground almost instantly reduced to permafrost conditions, the mastodons, were entombed in great avalanches of mud and salts that, upon consolidating, often preserved many of their soft parts and sometimes even their stomach contents.” [Cataclysm p 122]

Also after you published your letter I have noted some other creatures found within driving distance from where I live. They have been found in Orange County, New York state in 1845, Hackett’s Town New Jersey, Jamestown New York in August 1871, Monmouth County, New Jersey in 1823, Long Branch New Jersey found in 1823, and another in Newburgh New York. All sites relatively close to home for me.

But what I am really concerned with is the issue of suddenness of the disaster that the Pleistocene age was created to resolve. How really abrupt was the disaster. To pursue I want to take a factor that is fairly known to the list – the frozen Siberian mammoth – and build upon that to explore the larger issue of suddenness.

For many years I thought there was only one frozen carcass found. Now I have explained that the first one was found in 1772. Even that is disputed. There are some records that suggest earlier. It is said that the Tunguse, living in Siberia, have used unfreezing mammoth carcasses for food for 1600 years.

“While surveying the New Siberian Islands, Arctic explorer Baron Eduard von Toll discovered the remains of a sabretooth- tiger and those of a fruit tree with an original height of about 88 feet. The tree had suddenly and completely been preserved by the ice, including its ripe fruits, green leaves, roots and seeds, virtually instantly frozen. Nowadays, the only plants to be found there are creepers.” [ibid p 80]

There is one last item called “muck” that also supports the suddenness. I will quote at some length in order to convey the point and then end the letter.

“Coincident with this dreadful slaughter upon the land was the deposition far inland of myriads of contemporary marine shells, and the stranding at great elevations of marine mammals such as whales, porpoises, walruses and seals. Elsewhere, vast forests were flattened and buried under equally vast accumulations of sand or mud or piled up in broken and twisted heaps.. At some localities plant remains were packed so densely and in such abundance as to form lignite (soft brown coal akin to peat) beds of great extent, while at others animal and plant remains were mixed together in inexpressible confusion as heterogeneous masses. In Alaska, for example, thick frozen deposits of volcanic ash, silts, sands boulders, lenticles and ribbons of unmelted ice, and countless relics of late Pleistocene animals and plants lie jumbled together in no discernible order, This amazing deposit, usually referred to as ‘muck’, has been described by Dr Rainey as containing: ‘enormous numbers of frozen bones extinct animals, such as the mammoth, mastodon, super bison and horse, as well as brush, stumps, moss and freshwater molluscs.”
Hibben described these deposits in very similar language:
‘In many places, Alaskan muck is packed with animal bones and debris in trainload lots. Bones of mammoths, mastodons, several kinds of bison, horses, wolves, bears, and lions tell a story of a faunal population … within this frozen mass lie the twisted parts of animals and trees intermingled with lenses of ice and layers of peat and mosses. It looks as though in the midst of some cataclysmic catastrophe of ten thousand years ago the whole Alaskan world of living animals and plants was suddenly frozen in mid-motion in a grim charade.’

Often ignored are mastodons and other large mammal remains which have been found in South America, where three genera of mastodon-like gomphotheres went extinct. Mastodons, glyptodonts, toxodons, giant beavers, giant armadillos, giant jaguars, giant ground sloths, and scores of other entire species were all totally wiped out at the end of the Pleistocene. While massive piles of mastodon bones were discovered near Bogota, Colombia (Braghine, 1940), whole mastodons, toxodons, giant sloths and other animals have been found in Venezuela quick-frozen among the mountain glaciers (Berlitz, 1969).

Moreover, ice core samples taken in Greenland indicate that massive vulcanism occurred 11,600 years ago. It’s beginning to look like the Pleistocene Epoch didn’t tippy-toe out silently, but rather ended with a large roar. Geologists and Paleontologists have an innate distaste for catastrophism, and that’s understandable. Catastrophists, who in the beginning were identifying every strata of sediment with a worldwide flood, layer upon layer, almost totally discredited the field of geology—and uniformitarianism pulled the science out of the fire. But now, scientists in both fields are gradually realizing that both catastrophism and uniformitarianism (or gradualism) are at work in nature, and that everything can’t be explained using one or the other alone (Gould, 1975). One of the indicators of the end of the Pleistocene 12,000 years ago is the huge numbers of frozen carcasses in both hemispheres: Canada and Alaska in the western, and Northern Russia and Siberia in the eastern.

February 26, 2012 at 3:21 pm

Bolithio

This NOVA about the melting ice is incredible. The time lapse of these glacial melts are very compelling. Check it out:

http://video.pbs.org/video/1108763899/

February 26, 2012 at 3:44 pm

Anonymous 9:26

JK,
Wow, what a load of crap.You are speeling on and on about nothing. You sound like Al Gore in his final farewell speech to Congress.
We should make February not only Black History Month, but also make-up-your-own-facts-month. A perfect opportunity for creationists. Seems like an awful lot has happened here in earth in the last 6000 years.
Did you ever stop to consider that maybe meteorology was involved? The climate, the weather? We are talking about the atmosphere. Geology is definitely as slow as your brain.

eric, the movie was strictly a pro-America, pro-military, I’m an American man, movie. Right down to the President saying we’ll save every American, even if it means moving south(and taking over Mexico). Good special effects though.
American propaganda vehicle. I’m not surprised you missed this.

However, with the weather, you never know what’s in store.

February 27, 2012 at 11:25 am

moviedad

Not too off-topic I hope: It seems that at least people are internalizing the reality about the planet. That it is not some huge static thing that will go on forever. As much as I hate Murdoch’s Media, all those shows about Earth-systems and paleolithic history is bound to influence the way people think about climate change and methane in the atmosphere.
I’ve wondered exactly how this serves the masters of media, and all I can come up with is that it gives more credence to the notion that it’s all a natural occurrence and “Man” has nothing to do with it.

February 27, 2012 at 12:32 pm

Anonymous 9:26

The weather/climate is a natural occurrence. To say that man has nothing to do with it is almost correct. “Man” is having an affect on the weather.

One of my most disheartening thoughts, is in the future, people are thanking GW and the oil/gas man for staving off the next ice age.

With this post, I will say good bye to you all.

February 27, 2012 at 3:33 pm

To both Anons: The temperature is a measurable, demonstrable, verifiable FACT. It IS going UP. It has been going up since the industrial revolution. There is ice in Antarctica that’s been around for 100′s of thousands of years. It is now melting. More & more species are going extinct because of climate change. They are going out faster than evolution can cope with. THIS IS BAD!

Your little anecdotes of flash freezing are isolated events, not global. So, even if true, it would be better to have some disaster areas than global extinction of most animal life. Humans could survive one, not the other. Another thing is, if greenhouse gasses are saving us from an ice age (I read the retarded Niven book too, by the way) then we should not be wasting them all. We should outlaw all use until the temp drops below pre-industrial revolution levels. Then use just enough to stabilize the temperature. That way we don’t kill ourselves with the cure, or waste it all before we need it.

Right? Or do we need to destroy the ecosystem in order to prevent the coming freeze-pocalypse? I say deal with the actual, demonstrable, verifiable problem first. If you are driving toward a cliff, but think there’s a bomb that will go off from slowing, then you have to choose. Certain death, or maybe death? It’s really not that hard of a choice.

February 27, 2012 at 8:32 pm

Anonymous

I’m with you 9:26…this shit is retarded…the shit of retards. The only point on which I disagree with you is the weather’s unpredictability. The future has been paved, literally…concrete jungles have doomed us all…dry dry dry..freezing cold, then way too hot, then even colder….dead dead dead. People sucking the electic teet. Right in front of everybody’s eyes…glued to some electric screen.

February 27, 2012 at 9:01 pm

Anonymous

Before the end of 2012, it will be news that whiskeytown lake and ruth lake and etc. etc. etc. will never be the same again. Then, before the end of 2014, very strict water restrictions will be imposed. And the shit will continue to hit the fan exponentially until….

February 27, 2012 at 9:03 pm

Anonymous

…and bolithio will continue to champion his “timber industry” and all these internet bots and drones and trolls will still bleet the hymns of the status quo until…

February 28, 2012 at 9:19 am

Bolithio

While I am still learning about climate change, I have been studying changes in forest types for over ten years in this area. One of the biggest factors effecting forests and vegetation regimes is fire suppression. Many of you Southern-hums are likely experiencing this in your front and back yards as Douglas-fir invades into your oak woodlands. Thinking of this phenomena, I started to wonder how much effect a regular fire cycle played on greenhouse gasses and local and regional climate. Many places in the Six Rivers National Forest had fire intervals of 10 years. This frequency is now effected by 100 years of suppression and I have to wonder; what effected climate more, a regular fire frequency which burned often and at low intensities, or our new regime which burns infrequently but at higher intensities?

February 28, 2012 at 10:03 am

anonymous

man needs to leave things alone. the more we try to “fix” things, the more they get fucked up.

February 28, 2012 at 10:07 am

Anonymous

“Many of you Southern-hums are likely experiencing this in your front and back yards as Douglas-fir invades into your oak woodlands.”

Can they sue the douglas fir plantation owners for replacing all the redwoods with their cash crops?

“Thinking of this phenomena, I started to wonder how much effect a regular fire cycle played on greenhouse gasses and local and regional climate.”

How much time have you spent wondering how logging is affecting climate? It’s sort of like pointing out the source of our day’s light…big fireball in sky. Trucks come and take away trees people cut down, climate gets all screwed up.

Maybe you can answer a simple question to provide us with some real food for local thought, bolithio: how many acres are clearcut in Humboldt every year? How many are selectively harvested?

February 28, 2012 at 11:36 am

anonymous

and now blm is talking about burning 600 acres of forested land in prosper ridege,burning oxygen making forests to replace with prairie grass, meadow land. no oxygen making here, no carbon sequestration in a meadow. how many critters will burn to death? in the mendocino national forest too. fire torch attached to a helicopter.

February 28, 2012 at 9:55 pm

moviedad

Anonymous you have potty-mouth. There is treatment available; it’s called: “a vocabulary.”

February 29, 2012 at 10:36 am

Anonymous

moviedad, you have stick-in-the-ass. Excuse me, stick-in-the-anus. Stick-in-the-sphincter? Sounds worse, IMO. When in Rome…this ain’t Rome, buck up and/or shut up, message > means, and if that’s lost on you because of some dumb shit like potty-mouths, it’s your loss. People are open to receive specific communication as they have already prepared themselves. This isn’t a debate I care to further, just to say you’re a very intelligent and aware fellow…and if I told you your shitty house was on fucking fire, you goddamn sunuvabitch…you know where this age old argument about language and vocabulary is going….”grow up” works both ways.

February 29, 2012 at 10:36 am

Anonymous

…and yeah bla bla bla, eric can delete this crap to his heart’s content. That’s beside the same point. This isn’t rome, this is another collapsing empire altogether.

March 1, 2012 at 1:38 pm

moviedad

Hey Man, adjective, noun or verb, choose one already. Or just keep grunting, yeah; grunting works.

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