Estelle Fennell Event in Benbow on March&nbsp;10

February 21, 2012 at 11:09 pm

The filing deadline is March 9 since Clif is running for re-election.

There is a debate at the Mateel on April 15th.

anonymous

eric said: It is a very impressive coalition. But she had the same people last time. Second time the charm? Guess we’ll find out.

You obviously haven’t seen Estelle’s 1/2 page Endorsement ads in the local papers today (Redwood Times & Indy). there’s about 450 names and about 60 business’ listed and there are a lot of former clif supporters names on Estelle’s endorsement list this time. I know because I’m voting for Estelle this time.

February 22, 2012 at 6:40 am

humboldturtle

Estelle = Arkleyville.

Eureka already has one seat on the board.

Elect Estelle and they get another. Follow the money.

February 22, 2012 at 9:45 pm

anony

Local Business Owners Endorse Estelle:

Dr. Roy Baker & Janice Parakilas Optometry
Signature Coffee Maher Mountain Shires Benbow Inn Whitethorn Construction Mendes Storage The Cuttings Redwood Properties Branscomb Center Peg Andersen & Yashi Hoffman Chautauqua NF
Beth Bennett Kristina Brooks Debbie Brooks Keith Bowman Sylvia Brodersen Peter Connolly Michael Caldwell Jack Sanford Moses Danzer Bear Gratzel Nicole Wick Brian Harper Mark Hilovsky & Rod Silva Kim Phelps & Rob Gellman David Katz
David & Karyn Thomas Ray & Terri Maher Teresa & John Porter Bob McKee
Harold & Donna Mendes Gary Futrell Blake Lehman Ernie & Janis Branscomb
Amillias Gourmet Food Partners in Grime Who’s Your Barber Grandfather Tree Yours & Mine Calico’s Restaurant Inn of the Lost Coast Shelter Cove Deli & Campground BBQ to You Boot Leg Yours & Mine Specialized Woodworks Rain Catchers New Harris Store Alternative Energy Wrights Backhoe Fish Tank Restaurant Humboldt House Inn Madrone Realty Genolio Trucking Insuring Humboldt Riverwood Inn Arnoul Electric Parkinson’s Builder’s Leon’s Car Care Center Lock Doktor Olson Photography Blue Star Gas Greg Pfau Humboldt Performance Cycle Nicole Foley Glamorous Shawn & Aurora Studebaker Randall’s Sand & Gravel Chris & Brigette Brannan Garberville Theatre Ron Olson Southern Humboldt Builders Service
T & Anita Wright Autumn Hargrave Jim Johnson Brian & Robin Elie Pete & Nickie Genolio Toni Genaro
Loreen Eliason Gail & Kevin Arnoul Craig Parkinson Leon & Elaine Warmuth Don Orazem Arleen Olson Bill & Marilyn Stewart
Judy Davis
James Darin Joaillier
Cindi Oney & Charlie Bertain Gordy Bishop
Fred Grundman Tom McBride Rick Poe Gary Trone Cathy Studebaker Elk Prairie Vineyards Whitethorn Winery
Judy Davis Insurance
Just Rent It Guinevere’s Candles Grundmans Sporting Goods Deer Horn Market Splash Pool & Spa Fortuna Motors (Garberville) Randall’s Sand & Gravel
Chuck & Marla Acridge Jeanette Ahlgren Susan Alban Francis Anna Aldridge Bonnie Allor
Julia Andersen Brian Anderson Melanie Anderson Bea Anderson Laurie Andrews Daniel Andrews John Angus
Lily Aquarian Connor Ashenbrucker Joe Ashenbrucker Bonnie Auerbach Paul & Debi August Allan & Crickett Baird Dena Baker Michael Balt Bill Barnum Fred & Belle Baron Hal Bahr Karen Barsanti Joan Becker Jay & Linda Bell Bob Bell Mike & Tracy Benbow Joyce Benton Bill Bertain Charley Bertain Ray Bevitori Lewis David Bisconer Bonnie Blackberry Betty Boeglin Andrea Boldt Ester Anna Boozer Willie & Rosie Bosco Ann Bowen Alan Brainerd Nancy Branch Chris & Brigette Brannan Ernie Branscomb Margo Bray Michael Brown Sue Brown Patty Cady Kevin Caldwell Liz & Kent Colwell Lorraine Carolan Tim Carter John Casali Lola Marie Cathey
Sally Chagolla Tiffany Charbonneau Peter Childs Kathy Christensen Lee Christensen Tina Christensen Justin Ciarabellini Patricia & Jack Coleman Elizabeth Corbett Linda Corley Penelope & Billy Costa Becky & Keith Coulombe Sione Courson Jim & Joan Courtois Colum & Monica Coyne Sandra Creager Mitchell Cronk Charlie Custer Lisa & Joe Cyrek Tom Daetwiler Judy Davis Ed & MaryAlice Denson Jen deParma Dave & Leora Dickinson Linda Dillon Marsha Dillon Michael Dominick Mary Dominick Dan Carbis Downey Kimberly Downey Dick & Phyllis Drewry Peter Dulik Jeanette Dwyer Starla Early John & Rene Egan Tami Erickson Betty Etter Carol Evans Jeri Fergus Esther Flannery Sean Flynn Abe Fockaert Sita Formosa Jennifer Fournier Gloria Fredericks Sally & Richard French Jimmy Friel Colleen Furnish Jim Furtado Kimberley Gans Russell Gans
Celeste Giallonzo Bonnie Glantz Kristi Gochoel Judy Gonzales Gail Griffin
Duffy Griffin Guinevere’s Candles Johanna Hamel Sandy Hansen Anne Hapgood Fauna Harmon Renee Heider Mike James Hetticher Harold Hilfiker Kevin Hinton Marty Hobbs Jim Hoeffer Michael Hoffman Tom Hoffman Gary Holder Ken Huffman Cyndie Hull Patty Hurlbutt Adam Jager William Jeffries Jim Johnson Dr. Wendy Joiner M.D. Sidney Jones Alison Jones Mark Jones Lorraine Celia Jordan Anita Justice Anne Kable Philip Kable Jennifer Keegan Christine Kenlon Bev Kingsley Jim Koch Ted Kogon Fern Konieczny Jennifer Kubik Erin Larsen Christopher Larson Takiko Larson Greg Lattanza Richard Leamon Craig & Kelly Lehman Brook Lehman Diane Lehman Laine Lewis Buzz & Barb Lindsay Sue Long Travis Low
John Lucas Stephanie Lusak Brice Luster Dennis Lyon Ken Lytle Peggy Macy Dr. Jim & Lily Macy Sara Michelle Malcomb Charley & Linda Mason Susie Matilla Elizabeth Marshall
Maybee Rob McBeth Erin Mcbride Del & Colleen McCain Katie McGuire Patty McGuire Bob & Val McKee Lela McKee Tasha McKee Rob McLaughlin Katrina & Robert Medina Amber Meltzer Tony Mengual Richard & Ann Michelini Cathy & Mike Miller Debbie Miller Nancy Miyamoto Taun Moondy Julie Mooney Carol Moore Tom & Tami Moreland Bob Morris Dave Morris Stu Moskewitz Ted & Angela Murray Gerald Myers Cathy Newman Dave & Cheryl Nicholson Karen Nielsen Annie O’Connell Finola O’Doherty Tim Olsen Cindi Oney Don Orazem Kai Ostrow Leib Ostrow Amy Palmer Loren & Sue Pancoast Diana Papageorge Joanne Pardini Lanie Parker
Pam Parsons Manuel Parsons Cinnamon Paula Judith Peebles Mitchell Peirson John Pelletier Barbara Penny Raul Perez Randi Perkins Linda Peterson Jeanne Phillips Nadine Pleshekov Jan Porteous Bobby Gene Porter Kathy & Walter Prince Elan Puno
Melody Quiggle Steven Quiggle Estella Quiroga Patte Rae Karen & Roger Ralsten Kris Renner
Cameron Michael Renner Gary Renner Joe Rice Jack & Michele Rieke Maryanne Riley Shannon Robinson Juan Rodriguez
Esther Rodriguez Annie Rogers Paul Rosenblatt Becky Rupp
Joe & Karen Russ Karen Ruth Aaron & Jennifer Sandahl Kristina Suavez
Maria Savage Doris Ruth Scalvini Marylou Scavarda Les Scher Casey Schmidt John Schmidt Dave Schneider Ryan Schneider Jane Scholl Kella Scown Doyle Shamblin Patrick Shannon Katherine Shannon Stuart Shayne Roberto Sibbel Rod Silva
Ron Sinoway Damon Siska Sam & Shirley Sloane Gary Kendall Smith Vern Snodgrass Cynthia Stafslien Katy Stern Wesley Stoft Skip Stone Andra & Keith Stringer Virginia Strom-Martin Shawn Studebaker Aurora Studebaker John Sweeny Kathleen Sweet Cindy Taylor David Thomas Vonnie Thomas Claudia Thompson Janis Tillery Hank Toborg Sharon Toborg Nancy Tolk Darren Tomasini Wayne Tomasini Mike Torbert Everette Henry Tosten Marian Patricia Tosten Diana Totten Vivian Tracy Frank & Anna Trone Archie Umina Joe Valk Nan Vellutini Eleanor Volpi Janet Mae Walsh Leon & Elaine Warmuth Dee Way Shon Wellborn Bill & Callie Wells Dennis Wendt Wally & Carol West Joe Whitney Bunny Wilder Bob Williams Jessica Wilson Bobbi & Russell Wisby Johnny Wise John Wynands Ken & Ellen Zanzi (partial list)

February 23, 2012 at 2:43 pm

Eric Kirk

That’s an impressive list. I’m not sure which are the names of people who supported Clif the last time around, but getting the Ken Zanzi endorsement is a nice coup for her. I don’t know anything about Sue Long, but that’s two Fortuna City Council members, which is pretty impressive. Virginia Strom-Martin’s endorsement doesn’t hurt either.

Clif’s biggest strength is with the working class of Fortuna. Even the Zanzi and Long endorsements probably won’t turn them around. But working class voters tend to sit out the off-month elections. It’ll be all about turnout in June.

I am curious as to why you’re posting your endorsement anonymously. “This time” suggests that you voted for someone else last time.

February 23, 2012 at 4:28 pm

Anonymous

Hi Eric,

What did you and your family think of Fire & Brick for lunch? I saw you, I believe, as I was leaving with some of my staff.

My first time, and I will be back!

Paul Rodrigues

February 23, 2012 at 5:06 pm

Eric Kirk

It’s excellent! Try the mushroom cobbler next time, if you didn’t try it this time.

Sorry I missed you.

February 23, 2012 at 7:32 pm

Dave Kirby

I would not be surprised if this sup election does not turn out to be as close as many of the 2nd district races of the past. There’s no Rodoni running this time. Hard to know who that benefits the most. When Roy Heider won he actually won several precincts in Fortuna. There is nothing predictable about Fortuna voters. There a several factions there and they don’t play well together. Eric has a point about working class folks who don’t really care about doctrine but who know Clif and his family. This will be interesting. Don’t change that dial!

February 23, 2012 at 10:50 pm

Anonymous

“Clif’s biggest strength is with the working class of Fortuna.”

What’s the basis for that claim? Wishful thinking?

February 23, 2012 at 11:19 pm

Eric Kirk

Observation of the crowds who attend his Apple Festival celebration at his orchard and their interactions with him and his family. His place is packed each year as he serves great food at reasonable prices and hosts excellent music while offering cart-driven tours of the orchard. He is well-loved in Fortuna, whether they agree with his politics.

Ken Zanzi and some of the other heavy-hitters think he’s gone too liberal and the HumCPR efforts have not gone unrewarded in convincing some of them to support Estelle who is certainly more conservative than Clif on property rights issues.

Still, Clif has the support of a number of leaders up north, including Don Brown (supported Johanna last time) and Greg Connors (supported Estelle last time). And he has most of the same support in Sohum as he had last time. I am aware of a couple of additions, whether they decide to be public about it.

Obviously he will be outspent, probably by a considerable margin. But I spoke to him about the race recently. He is looking forward to the debates to set some records straight with regard to the General Plan Update. I expect the debates to be much more substantial than last time as both Clif and Estelle are much more up to speed.

The only issue as emotional as the GPU is the Richardson Grove widening proposal, but sans a third candidate the issue will be a wash as both Clif and Estelle are on record supporting it.

I have no idea how the medical marijuana is going to play as an issue, if it does at all.

February 24, 2012 at 12:40 am

Ernie's place

Eric
“Clif’s biggest strength is with the working class of Fortuna.”

During the last election the working class people were just leaving town after the Mill closed. How many are left?

Maybe they could debate about why Clif voted to give STIP money, that would have been used to pave county roads, to the state to improve “The safety corridor” between Eureka and Arcata. That wasn’t even popular with the Fortuna town council. That decision put off county paving until 2020. Which county roads does Clif think will make it that far?

February 24, 2012 at 8:52 am

Anonymous

ernie, for people who drive that corridor every day, it was an important decision.

February 24, 2012 at 11:58 am

Eric Kirk

Ernie – I’m not up on that issue, but I would hope that a Supervisor wouldn’t narrow the scope of his or her responsibility to his own constituents. He was elected to run the county. I don’t know if this was the right decisions because I don’t know how the money will be spent or would have been spent. But I would hope he would have considered the limitations of resources and weighed the concerns according to the severity of need, number of people impacted, etc. If every Supervisor or other representative is solely concerned about making sure that the money is spent in their district or area of representation, it’s going to be very unproductive.

As much as I support the Willits bypass, and I’m glad it’s moving forward, the decision a year or two ago to allocate the resources to the San Rafael freeway widening made complete sense in terms of the impact of the money on the greatest number of people and saving lives. Happily there is enough money for both, but the San Rafael widening was much more urgent.

But as I said, I don’t know the details with this issue. I only know that a vote to spend money in another geographical district may be a vote in the best interests of the county as a whole, and that should be a Supervisor’s primary concern.

February 24, 2012 at 12:11 pm

February 24, 2012 at 12:12 pm

I won’t debate the issue here, but I would welcome the discusion. The main street of Garberville hasn’t been paved since the 80s. The dust, loose gravel and chuck holes are deplorable. It really cheapens downtown.

February 24, 2012 at 1:25 pm

The “greater good” issue won’t hunt. We are not lemmings, we are not going top jump into the ocean to make room for the greater good.

Eric Kirk

Well, have the potholes killed anyone? People have been killed and severely injured because you have entries onto the corridor from stopped positions where they probably need freeway type on-ramps. Like I said, I don’t know what is involved. But the implications seems to be that Clif is derelict in his duties because money that was going to be spent within his district will now be spent without.

You and I may not be concerned for the greater good, but his position is as Supervisor to run the county. He is mandated to prioritize the greater good. That’s his job, not to make himself popular by sending money to his constituents. On the national level this has become known as “earmarks.”

February 24, 2012 at 1:28 pm

Stephen

This isn’t San Francisco, Eric. We have communities here that are not transient where nobody knows their neighbors or cares as you are used to with your big city ideas of how things should be done in Humboldt County to make it more comfortable for you ideologically. If there are choices being made about which district’s roads need paving and one district feels continually ignored, making your flimsy excuses for poor Supervision doesn’t help anyone. Transparency in such decision-making would help as then people like Ernie would know why their bitches and moans aren’t being heard while other ones are and who to tell to get off the pot since they’re constipated in needed ideas.

February 24, 2012 at 1:32 pm

Eric Kirk

And the core issue for the campaign and which each candidate must resolve – are we part of the county or not? Sohum residents complain that they don’t feel part of it because the northern part of the county doesn’t engage them and their concerns, but since we are all one county under one seat, shouldn’t the engagement be reciprocal? Yes, they have a duty to include us. But we also have a duty to include ourselves. We have the right to be a part of the process. We certainly don’t have the right to demand ours for our own, and let the rest of the county fend for itself. Plenty of Sohummers use that corridor, and I’ve represented at least a couple who have been injured on it because someone pulled out into the traffic (one of them back when the speed limit had been stupidly increased to 65 miles per hour).

February 24, 2012 at 3:36 pm

Dave Kirby

I have to remind you Eric that Roy Heider lost his re election bid because he voted for the court consolidation issue. The state had told the supervisors that if they did not move to close some of their out lying sites the state would cut off all funding for the county court system. Heider could have voted in the minority against consolidation. It would have appeased the folks in Fortuna who eventually lost their court. He voted for the consolidation and paid for it in the coming election when he was trounced in Fortuna. Had he voted the way they wanted and not for the good of the county Roger Rodoni would been just another also ran in the history of the 2nd district.

February 24, 2012 at 3:52 pm

Eric Kirk

Hey Dave, I didn’t say it was good politics. Just good policy.

February 24, 2012 at 4:42 pm

February 24, 2012 at 4:47 pm

“Well, have the potholes killed anyone?”

Eric, with all due respect, and I do respect you a lot, that’s a cheap shot. I said that I wouldn’t debate this, but it is a good topic for our candidates to debate. It is irrelevant what you and I think anyway, we only have one vote in 230,000 in Humboldt county. Our supervisor has one vote in five.

I’m no expert, but I understand that there was other money for the safety corridor that was not utilized. The county has no other way to get road funding, we are just screwed. The state has a multitude of ways to get more funding, and can get special environmental exceptions for “need or safety“. The project at Confusion Hill is a good example of what the state can do if there is a sufficient need.

The state just got through repaving Broadway in Eureka and they are in the midst of a study to see how they can further improve Broadway. How is that more important than people being killed?” I’m sorry, but that dog still don’t hunt.

There is still no good reason to take the county road funding while they are pissing money away in all directions. What we should do is go to Sacramento stand in the capitol and demand that they fix the problem at Midway that has been killing people for over 40 years that I know of.

AND… I want to see Clendenen talk about paving Garberville. Now.

Eric Kirk

Sorry Ernie. I didn’t mean to suggest that you were indifferent about the deaths. I’m just saying that in the extremely tight financial situation the county has been in, the decision may have represented the best allocation of the available resources, or the least worst in a very difficult situation.

If there was other money available, then the decision is questionable. But I doubt Clif or any of the Supervisors would have voted that way just to deny us the work.

And maybe you have a point about Broadway, as well, but that might even have to do with federal mandates which opens a whole different dimension into the problem and the discussion.

I assume the question will come up and Clif will have to explain his vote, as I’m sure he did when he cast it. I truly doubt it was an easy decision for him.

February 24, 2012 at 4:49 pm

Anonymous

When was Heider supe? Why didn’t Garberville get paved on Heiders watch?

February 24, 2012 at 4:55 pm

Anonymous

AND…I want to see estelle apologize to the Mateel and it’s membership for her role in the Reggae Debacle. She has a lotta balls to walk into a place that she had a hand in trying to bring down.

February 24, 2012 at 9:20 pm

anon

oh don’t give me that safety corridor bullshit; if you want to be safer get a law in there to fine cell phone users while driving $1500 for a first offense, that might do it…

as for estelle i thought some of her reports on KMUD quite fawning toward carol but i think its time to forgive and forgettaboutit…

February 24, 2012 at 10:31 pm

JRF

It is not an issue of “forgiving”. The issue is the abuse of a public position of trust and will that abuse be repeated. It is a valid and appropriate question to put forth to the candidate.

February 25, 2012 at 7:55 am

Wow! I don’t live anywhere near there. But, based on these posts, I’d have to conclude that she is either a saint or a demonic hell spawn. At least she isn’t ‘middle of the road’… The only thing I can say with certitude is that starting with “oh don’t give me that safety corridor bullshit;” is translated in my head to “I have no rational rebuttal to your statement, but that’s not gonna stop me from opening mouth and inserting foot…”

February 25, 2012 at 4:22 pm

Anonymous

“It is not an issue of “forgiving”. The issue is the abuse of a public position of trust and will that abuse be repeated. It is a valid and appropriate question to put forth to the candidate.”

this needs to be repeated. estelle abused her position in the news department. i believe she would abuse her position as a supervisor. she did more than “fawn” over carol.

February 25, 2012 at 5:01 pm

anon

yes JK i’m sure you have your radiation-emitting cell phone firmly attached to your brain…

February 25, 2012 at 5:04 pm

anon

estelle will do fine, even with the reggae shadows hanging over her…why? because its only a very few (like the four park detractors and the five hospital crazies) who will really care–face it, estelle was loyal to her briceland homegirls, not that big a deal–if she wins its “all good” and if not, then she should have thought about her future political prospects when she decided not to report evenhandedly on the reggae mess…

February 25, 2012 at 5:56 pm

Dave Kirby

The pissing match over Estelle and the Mateel is probably a wash at this point. Its an issue that cuts with a very small group and it cuts both ways.

Anon 4:49 ..Heider was supe 92-96. I don’t remember what Redwood Drive looked like then. I always thought that main street was great because it was wide enough for trucks to park in the center. Supes can make a difference. When the blowout landslide took out Redwood Dr. between Redway and Dean Creek the County wanted to leave the slide and do a geologic study to see if it was stable. They weren’t sure that punching the road through was a good idea. Roy had a good relationship with the folks at Public Works and asked them to grade and pave now and survey after. That stretch has held for 18 years.

February 25, 2012 at 6:04 pm

February 25, 2012 at 8:13 pm

18 years and counting. Roy’s finest hour.

Anonymous 9:26

Estelle is easily swayed in the wrong direction. Not good qualifications for a supervisor.

This is not a forgive and forget situation. It’s like saying “let’s forget about Newts problems, or Herman Cain.” It is a flaw in judgment, the inability to see right from wrong. This is a character flaw.

With Estelle there is always a very good chance that her karma is going to run over her dogma.

February 26, 2012 at 3:44 pm

anon

um, could you remove my last comment made at 11:55 am?
its too scurrilous (even though that’s my metier)

February 26, 2012 at 4:52 pm

Eric Kirk

anon – it’s removed, and I agree with your request. There was actually nothing wrong with what you said, but it’s just not a subject that blends well with internet forum dynamics.

February 27, 2012 at 3:42 pm

grouchy

Didn’t I see a crew out on the main street of Garberville fixing potholes last week?
Here’s the problem: any responsible government, I don’t care who’s in office, ultimately has to come down in favor of “the greatest good for the greatest number” when allocating funds. In a nutshell, that’s why low density areas get less service than high-density areas. I don’t mean to excuse public officials, but it’s just realistic, when you live in a low-density area, to expect a lower level of service. Most all of us have chosen to live in a low-density area, far away from the hub of government and commerce. In fact, many of us have chosen this for exactly that reason. So we have to work harder when we want to change things. It will always be this way.

February 27, 2012 at 5:01 pm

February 27, 2012 at 5:19 pm

Grouchy
If you don’t want to take care of “low-density areas” grow your own frickin’ food. Grow your own frickin’ trees to build your own frickin houses. Start collecting rain water instead of using water from low density areas. Grow your own catte in your own living room. Get a frickin’ clue. You need us far more that we need you.

If everything is done for the “greater good” that leaves a heck of a lot of people to wither away. Maybe we should built a tall fence around your “high-density area” and see who lasts the longest, you or us.

Plus, in my way of thinking, Low density areas are “the greater good”, but I just don’t think that it is fair to let you starve, so I’ll just try to educate you.

Anonymous

Of course downtown Garberville is a relatively high-density area within a low-density area (SoHum) which in turn is part of a low-density area (Humboldt County) which has other relatively high-density areas (such as Fortuna, Eureka, Arcata, McKinleyville) which are nonetheless pretty low-density compared to, say, the Bay Area.

February 27, 2012 at 9:42 pm

Ernie's place

Maybe that’s why Los Angeles tells the north coast how it’s going to go down. As proud of ourselves as we are that we got money for the SoHum School buses, we know that it would not have happened if it weren’t for the mere fact that Los Angeles wanted bus money.

February 28, 2012 at 7:29 am

February 28, 2012 at 8:22 am

Fortuna, Eureka & Arcata all have their own public works departments and the county spends no money on roads within their jurisdiction.

Is it too much to ask the county to fill potholes, especially ones than can swallow a small vehicle? I think not.

Cheeky

After all one would think with all that sales tax being paid into the local tax authorities from local “product” sales… there would be plenty of dough to fill in a few holes.

February 28, 2012 at 2:27 pm

anonymous

ernie, do you “grow your own frickin’ food. Grow your own frickin’ trees to build your own frickin houses. Start collecting rain water instead of using water from low density areas. Grow your own catte in your own living room. Get a frickin’ clue.” i am quoting ernies own words.
i would really like to know ernie, do you catch rain water? or does your water come from the river? do you raise your own cattle for slaughter? or does it come from the market? do you make all the steel for those refrigerators you sell? did you grow all the trees you used to build your house? or did you just cut them from the forest? the corporate park does want to turn the best piece of ag land in sohum, into a concert/ball field/housing mess. can’t you deal with the truth eric?

February 28, 2012 at 2:56 pm

Eric Kirk

I can’t handle the truth!

February 28, 2012 at 3:19 pm

February 28, 2012 at 3:21 pm

Jim Ferguson said:

“Fortuna, Eureka & Arcata all have their own public works departments and the county spends no money on roads within their jurisdiction.”

Jim, it was state money that paved Broadway, the same money that would have paved Garberville if we hadn’t been snookered out of it

Anon 2:27 No, I don’t <“grow [my] own frickin’ food. Grow [my] own frickin’ trees…."

You do realize that you are only broadening my point don’t you? To qoute Hillary “it takes a village” or in our particular case it takes a WHOLE county, not just the high density areas!

Pay attention, if you think hard enough you might actually understand what I’m saying.

February 28, 2012 at 5:12 pm

Something happened to my HTML. Just read the bottom pert with no italics

anonymous

ernie, what drugs are you on? the only thing our low density area supplies the high density areas with is marijuana.
grouchy is right. boy did he rile you all up.
humboldt county seems to designate what little road money it has, to the roads that get most of the traffic. garberville has a very small portion of it that is high density. anywhere else it would be considered open land.

February 28, 2012 at 7:00 pm

Not A Native

It touched a nerve for Ernie because it rubs his face smack dab on the truth that the dumber people stay in backwater places while the smarter people leave for urban places where they can contribute in a big way to create the technologies and wealth that the dumber people rely on for their existence.

As for the Bay area. If you define it in the larger sense to include Sonoma, Napa, Solano, Contra Costa, and Santa Clara counties, its self sufficient in essential food and also many raw materials for construction. Add in San Joaquin county and its a food exporter.

Fact is, the entire world got along just fine without HumCo until 1850 when it became a place only for being on the way to quick riches of gold. If by some misfortune HumCo was swallowed up tomorrow, it would be little missed(from a social and economic perspective only). Not too different from the island nation of Tuvalu.

February 28, 2012 at 7:13 pm

Bolithio

What NAN? A quick route for gold in 1850? Thats funny. And is ‘missing something’ subjective or what? I cant figure out why you live here since you seem to have nothing but hate for this place and its people.

February 28, 2012 at 8:04 pm

Eric Kirk

“Can’t we all just get along?”

-Rodney King

February 28, 2012 at 9:59 pm

Ernie's place

Eric
” can’t we all just get along?” Rodney King”

Actually Eric, I kind of enjoy Not A Native’s Don Rickles’ routine. And, he is just about as funny. He should take his show on the road. Far away.

February 29, 2012 at 12:03 am

Not A Native

Yeah Bolithio, not gold?? So whats your fantasy revisionist history story? Europeans first habitated in the North Coast to escape religious persecution? Exiled by a tyranical monarch? Did they just get lost going to the outhouse and couldn’t find their way back? Or maybe they were sent here as punishment, a penal colony?

February 29, 2012 at 7:06 am

Anonymous

Bolithio is correct. Early pioneers thought they had found a quick way to inland gold fields. They even named the town “Eureka” (Greek for “I have found it!”).

As it turned out, the route to the gold was not so good, but instead of renaming the town “Aw Shucks” they kept “Eureka”. The rest is history.

February 29, 2012 at 9:25 am

gpf

NAN, you are obviously proud you are not a native. Now you’ve come .right out and said it “…smack dab on the truth that the dumber people stay in backwater places while the smarter people leave for urban places.”

This seems to be commonality of plan A ‘smart growth’ crowd…you believe are so superior to the rural folks that you have a right to plan their future for them.

I pity the shallow and only world of the urbanite.

February 29, 2012 at 10:38 am

February 29, 2012 at 11:02 am

Maybe we’re taking the wrong aproach, maybe we should have people from low density areas declared a minority and we could march through Eureka for civil rights.

humboldturtle

NAN, have you ever wondered how Eureka got it’s name? Early white explorers thought Humboldt Bay would provide easy access to the gold fields back in 1850 so they called the new town “Eureka” (Greek for “I have found it!”). They were disappointed when they learned there was no easy access to the gold fields via Humboldt Bay, but the name they gave Eureka stuck and people have been disappointed ever since.

February 29, 2012 at 12:15 pm

Not A Native

humturtle, the original county seat was Trinidad where pack trains to the Trinity gold fields originated. Eureka developed later by logging interests.

My understanding is that the name Eureka was a sneaky ploy to lure the gullible and unwary. Many expended everything they had to arrive and found themselves broke and without resources. The least bright and most desperate were perfect fodder to become lowly passive toilers. Thereby making logging practical and profitable for the scheming creators of the ploy. The dimmest bulb descendants have been here ever since, e.g. Ernie. Similar reason for the names Samoa and Manila, except they involved land speculation. To this day, Shelter Cove carries on the land scam tradition.

February 29, 2012 at 12:28 pm

anon

extrapolating nationally i am terse to report that obama will go down this fall, so we better hope its romney, the guy who tells the truth. (“i don’t care about poor people”) no way obama will win n carolina and indiana again; with the great unwashed idiots out there it takes just a change in the weather for them to change their minds (ergo, look at the bump obama is getting now for more jobs created, caused by the great winter weather and construction workers back on the job)
you heard it here first–adios supreme court, for another 30 years…

February 29, 2012 at 2:06 pm

Eric Kirk

Everybody does realize that NAN was just trying to provoke you. You do realize that, don’t you?

February 29, 2012 at 2:07 pm

Eric Kirk

anon – I really don’t see how Obama can lose at this point. He’s actually ahead in N. Carolina. Haven’t seen any polls for Indiana. But he doesn’t need either to win.

February 29, 2012 at 2:14 pm

February 29, 2012 at 4:52 pm

Of course I know that NAN was just trying to provoke me, what do you think that I am… a dim bulb?

He’s fun to spar with, because he is so insulting that he makes us look good by comparison. We all glow in the dark shadow that he casts.

Eric Kirk

I’m still convinced that NAN is a she. But he or she is very mum on it.

February 29, 2012 at 6:57 pm

mresquan

On a side note,I am truly excited that Cheryl Seidner will be running against Bohn.She’s a well known candidate who the left can get behind.

February 29, 2012 at 7:14 pm

Sally

What was the topic again?????

February 29, 2012 at 7:40 pm

Anonymous

Anonymous

this needs to be repeated. estelle abused her position in the news department. i believe she would abuse her position as a supervisor. she did more than “fawn” over carol.

March 1, 2012 at 1:27 am

March 4, 2012 at 10:35 pm

I don’t think we need any Supervisors. No Chief of Police in Eureka. No Recorder. An alleged Sheriff, because he is NOT an Oath Keeper…………. Soon to lose another Post Master General (as we consent, cooperate, and comply). Myself, I wouldn’t miss the Stupervisors at all. What do THEY do every Tuesday? Hire 2 more non-productive employees at obscene wages, perks beyond, all benefits ( and dependents paid), vacation, sick-leave, holidays etc. Shrinks make $9,022 BI-WEEKLY, and the list grows. TAX, TAX, TAX the people. THAT’S what govern(control) mente(mind) GOVERNMENT does…expands, and taxes the people…nothing changes, only the names. Voting is like trying to teach a pig to dance. Keep your eyes on the man behind the curtain.

March 3, 2012 at 9:17 am

anon

okay then, give me ONE example, 7:40 ,of estelle abusing her position at KMUD…

and if you come up with one exact quote or whatever then how about three?

March 4, 2012 at 9:44 am

Anonymous

This is not an exact quote, but just an instance of abuse of her position at KMUD.

Her last interview of attendants and coordinators at ROTR. She ONLY interviewed pro pp/cb/pb people. A completely one sided story. She did this one many occasions. NEVER did she ask a Mateel supporter about this incident and how they felt. NEVER did she go to the Mateel staff and how they were being affected by all the goings on, yet she had carol bruno on more than once. NEVER did she interview anyone protesting for the 3 days at the Shell Station in Garberville, about what/why they were protesting.

Then during the KMUD fund drive, she had the unmitigated gall to call KMUD the “community center”. She knew EXACTLY what she was saying.

Shall I go on?

March 4, 2012 at 5:51 pm

anon

well, an exact quote would be good, otherwise it’s just your opinion and
not an unbiased one at that….

anyway, with all her out-of-sohum money she might just have a chance this time, tho i still think its near impossible for a sohum lib to beat back the fortuna tide…but if it IS close, the lingering reggae issue could be just the little percentage that eges her out…
maybe i’ll ask her how she would respond to that one…
if i see her around…

March 4, 2012 at 8:10 pm

Eric Kirk

The Reggae War ended several years ago. There are plenty of issues more critical to the future to debate.

March 5, 2012 at 11:19 am

Amen to that.

Anonnymoose

But the way Estelle behaved during the Reggae Wars speaks to her character which is always relevant.

March 5, 2012 at 9:54 pm

JIADOE

No. I disagree Eric. When someone abuses a public trust and then runs for public office the whitewash doesn’t work. It is a valid question for any candidate.

March 5, 2012 at 9:57 pm

JIADOE

It goes further than Anon describes. There is a real question of character involved. Whether you like her or not Eric. It is a fair question to ask the candidate.

March 5, 2012 at 9:59 pm

EvaDoe

At the trial during the Reggae hearings there was a letter presented which involved a question of ethical conduct of Estelle editing a tape presentation for biased purposes and then airing it as a news submission.

March 6, 2012 at 7:23 am

March 8, 2012 at 10:46 am

NOT about Estelle (she’s not even on my list-thanks to the good people on this forum). THIS IS ABOUT PUBLIC TRUST. The recent bust of the school teacher in Kneeland, where the pirates stole hundreds of thousands of dollars, came directly from “Justice Dept.”–as in CA. INC.’S Attorney General Kamala D. Harris. This follows her statement of Oct. 21, 2011…(which was the 10 day period allowed for in the papers served (took 3 1/2 hrs.!) by the People’s Republic Trust)…”the Federal Government has in this matter (Medical Marijuana) clearly and repeatedly overreached its authority to regulate the life of this our sovereign state. We have no recourse but to do what is right and depart the Union. May God have mercy on our souls, and on those who attempt to stop us in this just and holy declaration of our independence.” #1)The STATE is always society’s enemy. The STATE has no authority of its own, only what the people grant it. The STATE has no money of its own, only what the people give it. #2) land…countries, states, ARE NOT sovereign. WE (you/me/us/people) are ‘clothed’ in sovereignty…it is a human trait. Kamala D. Harris has broken the Public Trust… she must have papers served. Remedy offered…show her the exit first, “and may our posterity forget that she was ever our countrywomb/man.”
Common Law Grand Jury anyone?
BTW, we haven’t had a TRUE Grand Jury since 1956.

March 6, 2012 at 3:46 pm

grouchy

I was away for a while… so, let’s see. Ernie, my good man, exactly how MUCH of your own frickin’ food do you grow? How much of the building materials in your home came from your own land? I am sure you have a terrific garden, but do you eat rice, oats, wheat, pork, oranges, bananas, pineapples, vegetable oil ? Sugar? Salt? Spices? Tequila? Bourbon? Do you make your own cheese? From your own animals? And do you grow all of their feed on your own land? And even common things like onions, carrots, apples, lettuce, chickens and eggs, etc. — you NEVER buy these at a grocery store? Do you bake all your own bread? Where does the yeast come from? And what about your clothes, your shoes, your household goods? When you’re not growing food are you weaving baskets from local reeds and weaving blankets from your sheep’s wool, and you would never use metal or ceramic cookware?
Like everyone else, including nearly everybody who thinks they’re living “independently” in today’s USA, you and I and everyone on this blog are dependent on food and other materials IN OUR DAILY LIVES that is produced elsewhere. And in order to grow the animal and vegetable food that forms the staples of most people’s diets, we need to preserve land, and that means a growing population needs to squeeze together a little more. In the meantime, all the cities and population centers support the manufacturing and distribution systems that bring stuff to us, yes, even from Eureka and Arcata. Perhaps it would be a lot better for the human race and the planet if we went back to living in small, self-sufficient units with some low-tech, low-energy trading to supplement our homegrown products, but in fact, nobody really wants to do this, not really. Are you the same Ernie who owns Radio Shack? How do you account for all that — the goods and the people who want the goods?
So finally (for now — good thing I’m away a lot, usually in Moscow) — speaking of goods, it does no good to separate people into rural/urban, high density/low density, as if there’s good and evil, or evil and good, just in where and how you live. We ALL need each other. We all depend on each other. My original point, back there in Feb. was, let’s just be realistic about the fact that most SoHummers, whether old-timers or newcomers, chose to come here to get away from urban life, and there’s a trade-off. If we want the government to leave us alone, how can we expect them to provide us with high levels of service? My last sentence, if I remember right, said that we just have to work harder to get what we need. Ain’t that the truth?

March 6, 2012 at 4:52 pm

grouchy

While waiting for my flight to Moscow (delayed due to high winds), I had another thought — more general this time.
Why do those who cherish low-density living want to affiliate themselves with an organization (specifically Hum CPR) that champions more rural subdivision?
If you lower minimum parcel sizes from 600 to 160′s, 160′s to 40′s, and allow two homes by right regardless of any considerations other than the owner’s desire; then why not subdivide 40′s to 20′s and 20′s to 5′s — at which point, in an area like ours, the value of raw land per acre probably starts to diminish — and then why not allow three houses by right, or 4, or whatever, what the hell, they’re all for your dear grandchildren, right?
So will you enjoy having all those neighbors? Do you think you’ll be able to choose WHO buys the land and moves in, so that you will have a selected community of environmentalists and groovy people who will pay their road dues and participate in making their neighborhood/watershed a better place? Without any regulation, do you think they’ll all store and forebear, and even if they do, how many more households really are sustainable?
What IS sustainable — what WILL be under various global warming and technological scenarios? How can you even influence (you can’t ever control) how the people who live on the land after you’re gone — and you will be gone someday, one way or another — take care of it? Do you want ANY public policy against uncontrolled subdivision and development? What will work in your watershed?
Just questions to think about….
Oh-oh, plane’s boarding, got to go….

March 6, 2012 at 5:41 pm

humboldturtle

“Why do those who cherish low-density living want to affiliate themselves with an organization (specifically Hum CPR) that champions more rural subdivision?”

For the money?

March 6, 2012 at 6:09 pm

Dave Kirby

I think there is no real danger of an increase in density in the watersheds around here regardless of CPR”s influence. I would wager that the number of folks living in the hills has hit its peak. The continuing spread of indoor grows depressing the price of weed and the fact that a lot of us boomers don’t like pounding over a dirt road on a dark and stormy night anymore will actually result in an outflow of the ruralistas.

March 6, 2012 at 6:40 pm

Anonymous

“Why do those who cherish low-density living want to affiliate themselves with an organization (specifically Hum CPR) that champions more rural subdivision?”

Since when does HumCPR advocate more subdivision? I have heard this argument over and over again and Ulansey’s response has been that they unconditionally do not support additional subdivision. I think that too many in SoHum are drinking the Arcata/Clendenen/Lovelace Kool Aid. One day we might actually consider an election based on the facts.

March 6, 2012 at 7:40 pm

Not A Native

“Property Rights” as used by CPR is a synonym for the choice to add as many dwellings on property as the landowner sees fit in pursuit of “Stewardship”. So while the ugly ‘subdivision’ word never appears, the effect is the same.

Just as accepted wisdom and fact was that there are too many old growth redwoods to ever cut down and too many fish to ever catch. Current accepted wisdom is that there will never be significantly more people in far rural places. Just can’t happen here.Why would it happen here? Scroll up to humboldturtle’s shocking answer

March 6, 2012 at 8:27 pm

Anonymous

Yes.Yes. Yes. Bob McKee, HumCPR, divide and sub-divide all the land, cut as many trees as possible. Does any one know how many trees Bob cut/logged on the Tooby Ranch, BEFORE he ever sold a parcel? How many road slashes/cuts he put in?

March 6, 2012 at 9:30 pm

anon4cec

““Property Rights” as used by CPR is a synonym for the choice to add as many dwellings on property as the landowner sees fit in pursuit of “Stewardship”. So while the ugly ‘subdivision’ word never appears, the effect is the same.”

What complete and utter bullshit. HumCPR has never said nor advocated anything of the kind. I guess it’s easier to just make up nonsense when your position is so totally unsupported by the facts. Fortunately neither the public in general or voters in particular are buying your lie. Keep spewing, it’s working out so well for you.

March 7, 2012 at 8:49 am

Anonymous

Ii is you anon4cec that is spewing utter bullshit. HumCPR is totally for the landowner being able to develop or use their own land as they see fit. They believe in unlimited building permits as far as I can tell.

March 7, 2012 at 1:13 pm

Not A Native

CPR uses weasel words and wink-wink code in their written materials to create a facade of objectivity.

CPR advocates no statutory limits on property use, in general. CPR tolerates existing county zoning of uses for undeveloped land only if the particular landowner agrees to the limitations. CPR strenuously opposes any enforcement of existing zoning restrictions that follow the letter of the law. Instead, CPR supports flexibie enforcement with ministerial authority based primarily on a landowner’s interpretation and giving precedence to historical non-enforcement of the law. All that boils down to what CPR

March 7, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Anonymous

Jeeze NAN, go off your meds or something. Twist a fattie and take a deep breath. Remember that life is better with at least one foot in reality and your comments reflect a total disconnect with anything factual. As was alluded to earlier, there is a reason that you are losing.

March 7, 2012 at 3:06 pm

Eric Kirk

Well, yes, there is a reason. Controlled growth has always amounted to a reargard battle. You can’t win generally until after you’ve lost. You hear the mantras about how it can’t happen here, and then it happens, and then everybody walks around in a daze wondering how it happened.

March 7, 2012 at 3:38 pm

Anonymous

Eric, I get your comment but the earlier response was refering to the gross misrepresentations and disingenuous propaganda from NAN. It would be nice if all sides actually told the truth. If an argument isn’t good enough to win with the truth then maybe it shouldn’t be won.

March 7, 2012 at 5:53 pm

Anonymous

Anonymous 3:38, I would ask you what drugs are you on? Maybe YOU had better put down the fattie. CPR is EXACTLY as NAN has stated. GO back and listen on KMUD archives. They are just like CLMP with the “anyone can do whatever they want on their land.” Pulling the civil liberties BS. Go back and listen.

March 7, 2012 at 6:11 pm

Not A Native

Lets talk truth. CPR was created to disperse untruths.

CPR isn’t telling the truth about the General Plan update process or the various proposed provisions. CPR promulgates lies, purposely designed to further the Libertarian ideology of its founders through inciting fear and loathing of public land use planning.

March 7, 2012 at 6:45 pm

Anonymous

NAN, So I take your comment to mean that you’re not going to go first on the truth thing….

March 7, 2012 at 9:12 pm

Anonymous

Anonymous 6:45
NAN speaks the truth. I guess your comment means that you can’t hear the truth.

THEY know what THEY’RE doing. And in fact, I do think THEY are trying to get people to protest, argue, fight, and eventually destroy ourselves. THEY are driving the bus via remote control, into a bottomless pit, and all the US CITIZENS are doing is sticking their heads out the window yelling about the bumps in the road, when all you have to do is get the hell off the bus.

THEY can’t prove THEY own the land, or anything since it is all purchased with fiat ‘debt’ notes. Even then all you need to do is get off the bus, and start sending back ‘Refuse for Cause’ failure to provide the remedy…invalid address, WITHOUT THE FEDERAL ZIP CODE. At the very least, if you haven’t figured this out yet, ALWAYS place a FED. zip code in brackets [00000].
Are we not all supposed to ‘give?’ Render unto Caesar…THEIR d/l, THEIR REGIStration, THEIR insurance, THEIR birth certificate, THEIR social security cards, THEIR debt notes. Want to get out of Egypt? STOP serving! If we can’t self-govern, then why are we here?

Estelle…may as well be discussing a janitor. AGAIN, with no Chief of Police, no Recorder, no Post Master General (blocked from justice, so there’s just us), and an unconstitutional sheriff, who needs stupervisors? THEY ONLY supervise US INC bankruptcy. Corporate profit protectors…nothing more. Revenue trolls.

We got to get on the ball, and come out from the “US mind set” before they will protect us from THEM. Otherwise you are a foreigner trying to defect but claim benefits from the same. Can’t be double-minded. The FEDERAL govern(control) mente (mind) does NOT have jurisdiction in the states, THEY have jurisdiction over THEIR subjects (voluntary slaves). We don’t have much more time before the bus doors start closing.

Come out, come out, from wherever you are…

March 8, 2012 at 1:19 pm

Bolithio

On the flip side there continues to be the Myth that principally permitting a residence on a TPZ parcel is 1) effectively makes such parcels unmanagable for timber, and 2) that they are going to turn into housing developments. At the extreme of the law, a conditionally compliant 40 acre TPZ parcel (the absolute minimum size for the zone) allows for one residence. Take three acres away for a housing footprint and you still have 37 acres of timberland. Most TPZ parcels are 160 acres or more, so this idea of instant urbanization on TPZ is just false. No option on the table is going to make development on TPZ easier.

March 8, 2012 at 1:26 pm

Bolithio

…a condensed version of Forest Queens post:

THEY,THEY’RE, THEY, THEY!
US CITIZENS!
THEY, THEY, WITHOUT THE FEDERAL ZIP CODE, ALWAYS, FED!
THEIR, THEIR REGISTER, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR, STOP!
AGAIN,THEY ONLY!
US INC, THEM, FEDERAL, NOT!

(p.s.)
THEY, THEIR.

March 8, 2012 at 1:41 pm