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October 19, 2011 at 7:13 am
Mitch
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October 19, 2011 at 7:24 am
Mitch
Interesting article at an interesting web site. I don’t know enough economics or economic history to know much about its analysis, or even how accurately it is interpreting its quotes. Anyone?
http://roarmag.org/2011/10/from-crisis-to-crisis-can-capitalism-survive/
October 19, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Plain Jane
“Despite frosty relations with the titans of Wall Street, President Obama has still managed to raise far more money this year from the financial and banking sector than Mitt Romney or any other Republican presidential candidate, according to new fundraising data.
Obama’s key advantage is his ability to collect bigger checks from fewer donors, because he raises money for both his own campaign committee and for the Democratic National Committee, which will aid in his reelection effort. As a result, Obama has brought in more money from employees of banks, hedge funds and other financial service companies than all the other GOP candidates combined, according to a Washington Post analysis of contribution data.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-has-more-cash-from-financial-sector-than-gop-hopefuls-combined-data-show/2011/10/18/gIQAX4rAyL_story.html?hpid=z1
October 19, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Eric Kirk
Mitch – been listening to Crass?
Anothers hope, anothers game,
Anothers loss, anothers gain,
Anothers lies, anothers truth,
Anothers doubt, anothers proof.
Anothers left, anothers right,
Anothers peace, anothers fight,
Anothers name, anothers aim,
Anothers fall, anothers fame.
Anothers pride, anothers shame,
Anothers love, anothers pain,
Anothers hope, anothers game,
Anothers loss, anothers gain.
Anothers lies, anothers truth,
Anothers doubt, anothers proof.
Anothers left, anothers right,
Anothers peace, anothers fight.
Marx had an idea from the confusion of his head,
Then there were a thousand more waiting to be led.
The books are sold, the quotes are bought,
You learn them well and then you’re caught.
Anothers left, anothers right,
Anothers peace, anothers fight.
Mussolini had an idea from the confusion of his heart,
Then there were a thousand more waiting to play their part.
The stage was set, the costumes worn
And anothers empire of destruction born.
Anothers name, anothers aim,
Anothers fall, anothers fame.
Jung had an idea from the confusion of his dream,
Then there were a thousand more waiting to be seen.
You’re not yourself the theory says,
But I can help, your complex pays.
Anothers hope, anothers game,
Anothers loss, anothers gain.
Sartre had an idea from the confusion of his brain,
Then there were a thousand more indulging in his pain,
Revelling in isolation and existential choice;
Can you trully be alone when you use anothers voice?
Anothers lies, anothers truth,
Anothers doubt, anothers proof.
The idea born in someones mind
Is nurtured by a thousand blind
Anonymous beings, vacuous souls,
Do you fear the confusion, your lack of control?
You lift your arm to write a name,
So caught up in the identity game.
Who do you see? Who do you watch?
Who’s your leader? Which is your flock?
Who do you watch? Who do you watch?
Who do you watch? Who do you watch?
Who do you watch? Who do you watch?
Who do you watch? Who do you watch?
Who’s your leader? Which is your flock?
Who’s your leader? Which is your flock?
Who’s your leader? Which is your flock?
Who’s your leader? Which is your flock?
Einsten had an idea from the confusion of his knowledge,
Then there were a thousand more turning to advantage.
They realised that their god was dead,
So they reclaimed power through the bomb instead.
Anothers code, anothers brain,
They’ll shower us all in deadly rain,
Jesus had an idea from the confusion of his soul,
Then there were a thousand more waiting to take control.
The guilt is sold, forgiveness bought,
The cross is there as your reward.
Anothers love, anothers pain,
Anothers pride, anothers shame.
Do you watch at a distance from the side you have chosen?
Whose answers serve you best? Who’ll save you from confusion?
Who will leave you an exit and a comfortable cover?
Who will take you so near their edge, but never drop you over?
Who do you watch? Who do you watch?
Who do you watch? Who do you watch?
Who do you watch? Who do you watch?
Who do you watch? Who do you watch?
Who do you watch? Who do you watch?
Who do you watch? Who do you watch?
Who do you watch? Who do you watch?
Who do you watch? Who do you watch?
October 19, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Eric Kirk
PJ – that’s partly because they want to back the winning horse, but it is telling anyway.
October 19, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Plain Jane
Two new polls (National Journal and Time) show that blue collar whites, traditionally not supportive of protests, support OWS by 56 to 31.
October 19, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Plain Jane
George Lakoff
Framing Occupy Wall Street
http://www.truth-out.org/how-frame-yourself-framing-memo-occupy-wall-street/1319031142
October 19, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Mitch
Never heard of Crass, Eric, but I love the lyrics. Thanks.
My all time favorite “political” lyric was Pink Floyd’s Brain Damage:
The lunatic is in the hall
The lunatics are in my hall
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more
October 19, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Sally
Mitch, my attitude during election years pretty much always had as a theme song, a tune from my teenage years: “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”
I also like the Pink Floyd lyrics you just quoted; I recently sang “got to keep the loonies on the path” to my boyfriend, when we were discussing current events.
I support OWS, and hope the movement continues to grow. During the primary before the 2008 election, after admittedly feeling pretty shell-shocked after 8 years of Bush/Cheney, I remember feeling horrified that we were expected to beat whatever Republican by either electing the first woman president, or the first black president. I thought we were doomed. I admit, Obama has not been the “change” we were hoping for so far, but I think if he is re-elected, perhaps, during his second term, he will actually do something for us 99%, since he doesn’t need to worry about another re-election.
October 20, 2011 at 6:02 am
Mitch
Sally,
I’m still grateful for the link to “I Didn’t F*uck it Up,” and now you’ve done me another big favor. Thanks. And I don’t even know you.
Like conservatives who love having “Born in the USA” in the background at their rallies, I managed to block out some lyrics from The Who while practically living to their music. The lyrics are pretty damn clear, but all I ever absorbed were lines 1-4. I’d then pop back in around “Don’t get fooled again,” but I never connected “just like yesterday.”
Ah well. I’m still prayin’ — I just don’t know to who or what, besides optimism.
I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
Don’t get fooled again
No, no!
October 20, 2011 at 6:27 am
Mitch
And poor President Obama! (Really.) He knows that all he can do is try to direct the tides, but his followers, in many cases, don’t. And he keeps trying! For that alone, I love the man.
October 20, 2011 at 6:32 am
Mitch
And, sorry to be obsessive here, but while all this goes on, people at GlaxoSmithKline (making the world a little better, every day) with a grant from my very own personal Satan, have developed a vaccine for malaria, which is probably the most important news this year. It’s a strange world. Gotta take my meds.
October 20, 2011 at 8:30 am
Eric Kirk
More on the TV show
http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/mtv-real-worlds-casting-director-explains-occupy-wall-street-ad.php?ref=fpb
October 20, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Unk John
Sally,
Like Mitch, I am forever grateful for the Katie Goodman link.
Last Friday, I attended our local OWS demonstration in Bellingham and I will be there tomorrow as well. You might be interested to know that among the several hundred people in attendance, I saw a young college age student, probably from Western Washington U., proudly holding up a home made sign that said, “LET’S UNFUCK THIS COUNTRY!”
The word is spreading.
October 21, 2011 at 7:42 am
Erasmus
What eloquence! This has to be the fruitful outcome of a college education in the 21st century! — Yes, I’m sure that the word is spreading far and wide: that the “hope and change” people are indeed waking up, and that the president whose top advisers have ties to Wall Street of an almost umbilical nature, may not be the messiah hoped for. In the meantime, let Middle America know that they are “fucked” and hope that this crude, vague, yawp of a message will lead to an electoral sea change next year. Good luck.
October 21, 2011 at 10:21 am
Mitch
Well, Erasmus, it’s four words and six syllables, it highlights a new and thought-provoking usage, it summarizes “the problem” in passing, and it exhorts rather than protests. I think for a hand-carried sign it’s very eloquent. I thought for a bit, and the only potential improvement I could see was “Let’s Unfuck Our Country!” For the South, switch the UC to CU, so you are no more potentially offensive than French Connection UK, which has made a big brand out of misspelling fuck.
October 21, 2011 at 11:41 am
Eric Kirk
Would Lakoff approve?
October 21, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Mitch
Well, Eric, here’s a clip from the Lakoff link PJ posted.
I think most Americans are aware of the phrase “it’s fucked.” Will “unfuck it up” alienate natural allies? I don’t know. Is it mostly positive, or negative? I’d say positive. Will it be perceived that way in middle-American parts of Seattle and SF? I don’t know.
Even Jesus threw over the market tables at the temple. I can easily picture Jesus instructing his followers that it was time to unfuck things. He did say some pretty firm things about the materially wealthy, after all.
October 21, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Mitch
The part before the indented material is still me, in case that’s not obvious.
October 21, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Sally
Mitch, and Unk John: Sorry I’ve not been following this thread for a couple of days… Even though I sometimes come across as a pinko un-employed socialist Muslim, I actually work full time, running a local business in Garberville. If you enjoyed the Katie Goodman link “I want to be an un-F-er”, you will probably also enjoy this Kate Miller Heidke tune; a definite anthem to Face Book style social networking.
October 21, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Sally
ps: Erasmus, not sure what to say to you. I’m a senior citizen by now, but I still try and keep my sense of humor, and still try to keep on hoping.
October 22, 2011 at 7:17 am
Erasmus
Who, other than a corpse, doesn’t hope? — My sense of humor has never been so undiscriminating that “naughty”words will elicit giggles. Age has nothing to do with it. —– I wish the Occupiers much luck. I’m afraid they’re going to need it.
October 23, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Unk John
Erasmus,
We have hope. A trite statement for sure, but one that needs to be expressed. Your wish of good luck is both appropriate and appreciated, I’m sure.
I attended the most recent gathering of the local OWS group which was held in weather that I might best describe as “steady drizzle with an attitude.” It is, after all, Bellingham in October.
A younger faction of the gathering has put forth a proposal for a “permanent” occupation of Maritime Heritage Park near downtown. They have formed several committees to deal with various anticipated problem areas. Sanitation, communication, emergency services, etc.
The most telling moment in the proceedings was when an older gentleman who has many years experience in emergency response and has volunteered to help out made it clear that in his opinion, such an action this near to the beginning of winter was not really a good idea. He then stated that all they would be able to do was provide first aid and that anything more would have to be dealt with by calling 911.
My point in this lengthy description is that they will need luck both politically and physically. I too, wish them well. They feel they must make a splash and I agree. To make that happen, Eric’s play on Gil Scott Heron’s words must take place. I’m not yet convinced it will.
And please let us not argue over the rhetorical value of “The Word.” I agree with others that in cases like this four word sign, the eloquence lies in its succinctness and shock power.
I agree with you in other instances. At the last gathering, someone showed up carrying a sign that shortened the message to simply, “F*CK.” I saw that as serving no purpose. It was, as you put it, crude and vague.
Although some may find it troubling, the fact is that “The Word” is not so slowly forcing its way into regular usage. You will find it even in modern opera. I must admit, that I was somewhat taken aback at hearing a soprano shouting,” That motherf*cker”, especially when the soprano in question was not Tony.
October 24, 2011 at 7:26 am
Erasmus
I don’t wish to dwell on my admittedly antiquated notions of what constitutes acceptable language — and I’m not allergic to the “F” word (it’s use in Joyce’s “Ulysses”was a breakthrough, and one I applaud). I just hope that this movement doesn’t fizzle out. I wish it had started a couple of months before September, that its goals could be somewhat clarified, that it didn’t appear to be a countercultural sleep-over. Change will happen when our Congress has a different complexion (in every sense of the word) and when our President can act on his instincts, without worrying about Wall Street’s displeasure. —- I appreciate your comment and find no significant difference between us. I’m glad you didn’t write off my dyspeptic comment as a symptom of old-fogeyism.