CNN is reporting that Libyan rebels have entered Tripoli and that the small arms fire is intense throughout the city. There are reports that “sleeper cells” of rebels came alive as the rebel front reached the city outskirts, that one of Ghadhafi’s son has been arrested, and that Moammar Ghadhafi himself has fled to Algeria.
Whether the tide has moved as far as suggested remains to be seen. And will the next government be any better?
No report on whether NATO bombings continue anywhere in Libya.
CNN also reports that there are “large movements of troops by both sides outside the city,” so the taking of Tripoli might not be the very end. And Tripoli is not taken yet. But it does look like the regime is crumbling, with reports of defections and fleeing of the country.
More as I get it.
Addendum: More details.
And the map above, which I think will be bigger if you click on it, comes from the BBC coverage.
Listening to the television, they are reporting that the second Ghadhafi son has been arrested.
Second addendum: I’m trying to find videos uploaded by Tripoli residents which aren’t being played on mainstream media. This is the only one I’ve found. Some sort of religious gathering and you can hear occasional gunfire in the background.
Third addendum: I referenced an earlier rumor that Ghadhafi fled to Algeria. CNN aired an unconfirmed report that he was captured trying to slip into Tunisia.
Fourth addendum: CNN says there is no statement from any rebel forces of Ghadhafi’s capture.
Fifth addendum: AP says that oil prices should fall once Ghadhafi is out.
Sixth addendum: Annoying moment of CNN coverage where a reporter says, “People who have been her for much longer than me are wondering if Ghadhafi has a surprise up his sleeve.”
I think the reporter has seen a few too many James Bond movies where the desperate villain has one last master stroke in the form of some doomsday weapon or something – a blow delivered as he clutches his white Persian cat with his black leather glove.
Seventh addendum: The NYT is reporting that NATO’s involvement in recent days has clearly been well above and beyond the mere protection of innocents.
Eighth addendum: So far the Obama Administration is playing it pretty cautious in terms of the outcome, in the absence of clear information of what is happening. But Republicans seem terrified at the prospect that Obama might get any kind of credit if this plays out for the better, and they’re wigging out again.
Ninth addendum: It seems that Gadhafi was so focused on the threats from the east of Tripoli, he failed to take seriously a threat from the mountains to his west. But according to this article, their numbers snowballed from towns as they approached Tripoli. What may have been a factor which is missing from the article was the clandestine organization of opposition within Tripoli just waiting for the right moment. With the rebels to the east stalled with heavy fighting, it was the western rebels who may have tipped the balance.
Oil prices are already dropping. Kind of hard to argue that oil wasn’t at least a factor in western involvement.
Tenth addendum: You can keep up with events in Libya here. It looks like there is still fighting in Tripoli, with rebels controlling “95 percent” of the city. But the fierce fighting has residents indoors rather than celebrating anything yet. They also report heavy fighting near the Tunisia border. More defections to the rebels. Kadhafi is believed to have remained in the country. The rebel flag is being flown over the embassy in Algeria. Numerous governments are contacting the rebels.
Eleventh addendum: Shadows of the end of the First Gulf War – NATO aircraft intercepted a SCUD missile fired from Sirat City. As it can have no strategic value at this point, it’s probably aimed at morale. It may even be punitive.
In the meantime, here’s a slideshow of images from Reuters of recent events in Libya.
And here’s some pushback on the Republican narrative.
Twelfth addendum: Neither of Gadhafi’s sons is in rebel hands. The one in house arrest escaped, and the eldest either escaped or was never captured to begin with. He showed up at a hotel housing journalists and pledged to crush the rebellion.
Weird. Maybe that Persian cat scenario isn’t so far-fetched.

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August 21, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Fred Mangels
The NYT is reporting that NATO’s involvement in recent days has clearly been well above and beyond the mere protection of innocents.
It’s been that way from the beginning and the press has been chearleading this whole disgusting thing. A bunch of nations bully up on a 3rd world country and the Left and much of the rest of the world rejoice.
BTW; Notice how reports of NATO air attacks have been almost non- existent recently, except from the Ghaddafi folks?
Makes me sick.
August 21, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Eric Kirk
It’s the Bush Doctrine Fred. We do what we want because we can.
August 21, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Eric Kirk
It’s the Bush Doctrine Fred. We do what we want because we can.
On the upside, as in Iraq, a dictator is going down.
No American deaths. That’s the criteria for political success.
August 21, 2011 at 9:04 pm
moviedad
“No American deaths. That’s the criteria for political success.”
A truly disgusting statement; more so because it’s true.
August 22, 2011 at 5:16 am
Fred Mangels
It’s the Bush Doctrine Fred.
I’d stay away from trying to tie this to Bush. Nearly all U.S. presidents seem to have a need to attack other countries at least once during their term.
August 22, 2011 at 8:26 am
Eric Kirk
Yeah, but even Reagan and Bush, Sr. used to work up some consensus first, except for the skirmishes. The unilateralist doctrine for long term engagement is fairly new.
August 22, 2011 at 8:46 am
Fred Mangels
The unilateralist doctrine for long term engagement is fairly new.
But we still end up dragging other countries in with us. It’s not given a lot of press, but other countries were bribed, cajoled or threatened in to throwing in with us in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
No way of knowing for sure but I can’t help but wonder if that had something to do with our joining the attack on Libya?
I’m not saying Obama didn’t want to get his hands dirty, just like everyone else, but I would think all the countries that wanted control of Libya probably did their own bribing and cajoling of Obama, too.
They might well have told Obama that if they expected them to join him in any future forays in other countries, he better help them out on Libya. Just my guess.
August 22, 2011 at 9:14 am
Joe Blow
You can take what Obama says with a grain of salt. It is the Bush-Obama Doctrine. Here’s a quote on some of his record:
Just so you know, it took a turncoat Democrat to sell out this country. I read Friday, more on this up on my blog later, that Obama finished Ronald Reagan’s agenda in two years.
August 22, 2011 at 10:09 am
Dave Kirby
Gee Joe does this mean you’ll be voting for one of 7 GOP dwarves ? For all you Obama critics both left and right when is any of his competition going to put forth any constructive ideas on what they might do to help? So far the dingbat right seems to follow the candidate who can say the nastiest things about the President. After the tea baggers get through savaging Romney, the only candidate with a chance of giving Obama a real run for the office it looks more and more the reeps are going to hand Obama a second term. It’s is fun watching the repubs self destruct.
August 22, 2011 at 10:50 am
Jane
I think you are all a bit off key. It is all about oil and our greedy consumption needs. Drive the SUV today?
http://www.eia.gov/countries/cab.cfm?fips=LY
August 22, 2011 at 11:43 am
tra
Jane,
Your comment reminded me of a Greenpeace ad in the wake of the Exxon Valdez oil spill. The ad featured a photo of the captain of the Exxon Valdez, with a caption that said: “It wasn’t his driving that caused the oil spill, it was your driving.”
That ad made a lot of people angry, but there was a real kernel of truth there. An uncomfortable truth, and an important one. While nobody really “wants” oil spills to happen, our seemingly unquenchable thirst for cheap, plentiful energy effectively guarantees that Exxon Valdez – type accidents and BP / Deepwater Horizon – type spills will continue to happen from time to time. That doesn’t meant that we should ignore the Captain’s drunkenness, or the danger posed by the single-hulled tankers, or the problem of industry-dominated (de)regulation. or Exxon or BP’s culpability — but it does mean that we should not look only at those things, but also at the root cause — our dependency on oil, and the demand for it to be cheap and plentiful.
And the same holds true with wars that are fueled by the desire to control oil and other natural resources. As long as we continue to try to live out a fantasy where we think we can have ever-increasing population coupled with ever-increasing use of resources, despite living on a planet with a finite amount of space and natural resources, we’re going to continue to see violent struggles to control the planet’s limited space and dwindling resources.
On the other hand, with a stable population size, a less consumptive, more sustainable material culture, and an ongoing increase in knowledge and understanding, there’s no reason, in principle, why we could not bequeath to our great-great grandchildren a healthy planet, free of major violent conflict.
To get there will of course require a whole lot of social, political, and cutltural evolution. Not an easy task, but consider the alternative: An overcrowded, polluted, depleted landscape, characterized by hunger, desperation, poverty, disease, and perpetual warfare…until the planet is too poisoned and scarred to support its parasitic inhabitants. Unfortunately, that’s where the current trajectory of human civilization seems to be headed at the moment — it’s what seems likely to happen if we just continue to follow the “path of least resistance” into the wasteland of unintended consequences.
August 22, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Dave Kirby
Tra … It’s a tough nut to crack. We are looking at losing bus service to Eureka again because of low rider numbers. And while a lot of us are concerned about the environment and the future no one I know has opted to park their private transportation and use the service. And while a lot of us old hippies profess to love the planet way too many of the younger folks around here are driving the biggest gas guzzlers they can afford. Not many dope growers driving hybrids that I’ve seen. I don’t buy the assertion that the second Iraq war was all about oil. From what I’ve read the Chinese have secured far more leases in Iraq than the U.S.
August 22, 2011 at 12:57 pm
tra
It’s a tough nut to crack
No doubt about that. It’s certainly true that most people continue to waste lots energy, and that notwithstanding their stated values or beliefs, most folks will probably continue to waste energy in many different forms until energy prices dictate otherwise. And that is precisely the point of resource wars — to keep the resources flowing in order to delay the day when dwindling supply and rising prices finally forces us to change our wasteful ways
I don’t buy the assertion that the second Iraq war was all about oil. From what I’ve read the Chinese have secured far more leases in Iraq than the U.S.
I’d agree that oil wasn’t the only factor in why the Bush Administration chose to invade Iraq. But I do think oil was one of the major factors, along with a desire to show military might, opportunities for military profiteering, and perhaps the younger Bush’s desire to “complete the job” that he felt his father had left unfinished.
And I’d agree that it was never as simple as “invade, take over, and turn over the oil to U.S. oil companies.” But even if the majority of the Iraqi oil does not end up in the gas tanks of American drivers, and even if much of it will go to the Chinese, Russians and others, it still adds to the global supply, reduces the amount those countries have to buy elsewhere, and therefore increases the overall amount on the world market that is available for the U.S. and its allies. So in that sense its about making sure that the oil flows freely, not necessarily about who buys that specific oil.
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August 22, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Eric Kirk
I think you are all a bit off key. It is all about oil and our greedy consumption needs. Drive the SUV today?
Well, it’s also about a brutal dictatorship which has been in power for over 40 years and made war on its people. “It’s all about the oil” is partly true, and just true enough to be compelling. But it’s also kind of a mantra that progressives put out to avoid learning and thinking about the particulars of a conflict, and engaging about situations which are really a little more complex. It’s no better than those who believe it’s all about Muslims who want to kill us. There are some of them involved as well.
The people of Libya are not overthrowing Gadhafi so that we can drive our SUV’s, and to the extent that progressives believe that, they are being just as “colonial” in their perspective as the pro-crusade crowd. Sometimes it’s really not about us, nor our agenda.
These people are not a CIA plot.
http://media.talkingpointsmemo.com/slideshow/battle-for-libya
August 22, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Dave Kirby
I think the main reason we went to war in Iraq is two fold. For Bush it was as mentioned an ill conceived attempt to finish what his father started. As for Cheney it was profiteering plain and simple. His pals lined their pockets with blood money. As a Nam war vet what really pisses me off is that these jerks made a number of huge mistakes that cost a lot of lives on both sides. Not hunting down and seizing explosive ordinance as a first step gave rise to the rash of I.E.D.s that accounted for many deaths. The list is sadly a long one. I remember Cheney predicting that once we ousted Sadam the Iraqis would greet us with flowers strewn before us….neocon bullshit. As for Gadhafi the west has been looking to whack that looney ever since Lockerbie. The challenge for places like Libya and Egypt will be to get their countries up and running without more violence.
August 22, 2011 at 3:47 pm
tra
The people of Libya are not overthrowing Gadhafi so that we can drive our SUV’s…
Well that’s true. Clearly the dissatisfaction with Gaddifi within the country was sincere and widespread.
While the air support from U.S. and other NATO forces was very important (and probably pivotal in terms of preventing Gaddafi’s air power and armored units from quickly crushing the rebellion and potentially slaughtering many thousands of its supporters) one cannot win a ground war with aerial bombings alone. Overthrowing Gaddafi’s regime required lots of “boots on the ground” and these were filled by Libyans who risked their lives.
So most of the credit for Gaddafi’s overthrow should go to both the nonviolent protesters who rose up against Gaddafi in the spring and the rebels who took up arms against the Gaddafi regime in the face of that regime’s violent crackdown on dissent.
That being said, I do think that the presence of so much oil created a strong incentive for the U.S. and other NATO countries to get involved in arming and supporting the rebels.
From the point of view of those Libyans who rose up against Gaddafi, they were “lucky” that their struggle to free themselves from the dictatorship also happened to be convenient to (or at least not contradictory to) the western powers’ larger geopolitical goals. If they had little in the way of valuable resources (like Darfur) or if they had lots of oil but also already had a U.S-sponsored dictatorship (like Saudi Arabia) they might have been out of luck if they were unable to defeat the regime on their own,.
Now the question is whether Gaddafi’s regime will be replaced by one that is substantially more open and deomcratic and that will share the nation’s wealth more equitably…or whether they’ll just be trading the old authoritarian kleptocracy for a new authoritarian kleptocracy.
August 22, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Bolithio
Regarding the “6th addendum”; now thats just good television!
August 22, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Not A Native
I doubt the report of shootdown of a SCUD missile. Technically essentially impossible by a plane launched munition. Perhaps a SCUD launcher was targeted….
August 22, 2011 at 6:15 pm
tra
The TPM livewire link given in the Tenth Addendum provides a few highlights, but you can get a lot more detailed information here:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/Libya
August 22, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Thorstein Veblen
Naw, once this started, it became about the oil. But for the French and Germans, not for us. We are just scratching the back that scratched ours.
On the other hand, whenever we can help get rid of an evil tyrant who brutalizes his own people and blows up international civilian airliners, its probably a net plus for the world. I only hope that what comes next is better.
August 22, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Eric Kirk
It’s not quite over. Still heavy fighting, and a bizarre appearance by one Gadhafi son who had supposedly been captured. Gadhafi’s forces may be outnumbered at this point, but they do seem to benefit from more experience and according to this report, superior firepower at moments. But it does look like it’s down to the hardcore loyalists.
http://news.yahoo.com/gadhafi-son-resurfaces-free-vowing-fight-031445311.html
August 22, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Eric Kirk
This source suggests that the very youngest son is dead, but given the embarrassing language of the rhetoric, I don’t know that I would trust this source for much of anything.
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/3768265/4p-off-petrol-if-Colonel-Gaddafi-goes.html
August 22, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Not A Native
Eric, your 8:46 posting ominously echos Cheney’s famous ‘just a few dead ender holdouts are left’ right after the Iraq ‘victory’. I wish the best for the people in Libya, but there is much there to be fought over and no established authority to allocate it peacefully. Many will rise up to claim and dispute rights as successors to wealth. I’d say we in the US know next to nothing about the passions and aspirations of Libyans or their senses of identity so have no ability to predict what is likely to unfold. But we’ll be getting educated about it soon enough.
As to the oil, Gadhafi was glad to sell it, and so will the future administration. I guess that now they’ll need to quickly rebuild infrastructure, so future oil proceeds will be going more to international construction and engineering firms rather than for luxury goods and foreign investment by the Libyan elite. But I’m also certain a large chunk will go to purchase armaments from Western countries, likely US firms will become major suppliers.
August 23, 2011 at 5:44 am
Jane
TRA and others… certainly I can read the wisdom and insight in your thoughts. For me the puzzling factor, in a broader context than just these events, is that the most efficient (read quick, inexpensive, and effective) means of change is at the root cause.
In a society enchanted, as well as entrenched, with capitalist efficiency it seems we understand efficiency as a population but can not apply it well in the face of complexity. Of course turning consumers around is rather like steering a ten ton ship. It takes time, methodology, consistency, education, and social pressure. And pain.
August 23, 2011 at 6:21 am
mjtrac
Jane,
Capitalism is a lovely theory, based on disproven models of human behavior and assumptions (such as honest regulation of externalized costs and a state of unlimited resources) that don’t hold in modern America.
An apparent majority of Americans still take “pride” in capitalism as an economic model. It’s undeniable that capitalism has ceased to provide a level playing field for Americans, not to mention for the people of the world. In fact, what we’ve seen with the bank bailouts is proof that what the media calls capitalism is now nothing but a welfare state for the largest, most politically powerful corporations and the wealthiest, most politically powerful billionaires.
The collapse of capitalism, together with the corporate welfare now masquerading as capitalism and the corporate propaganda now masquerading as the “media” are the root causes of American foreign policy.
Libyans have as much right to be free as we have. Let’s hope they succeed in obtaining freedom. Let’s hope we do as well, by waking up and realizing the various frauds that are being perpetrated on us all.
August 23, 2011 at 7:42 am
Erasmus
Replace the word “capitalism” in mjtrac’s comment with “socialism” and you’ll have a fairly accurate synopsis of late 20th century history in the Soviet bloc. — There are too many flaws in the analysis to deal with in a limited amount of time and space, but I’ll point out that our “capitalist” system devotes a higher percentage of public funds to health care than supposedly socialist Brazil does, that our system is “capitalist” only in the minds of left-wing critics and right-wing flag-wavers, and that its collapse has been predicted since the mid-19th century. We have a mixed economy, one in which mjtrac and his/her comrades are free to create a worker-run collective if they desire. I have nothing against voluntary socialism, and I would relish a plethora of businesses that contravene the standard corporate model.
August 23, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Eric Kirk
Kind of interesting. The three pols who are praising the Libyans but criticizing, in a backhanded way, Obama, all have a common thread. I found this by accident.
August 23, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Joel Mielke
It’s refreshing that the Obama administration helped destroy the regime that represented the Bush Administration’s only diplomatic success in the middle east. I’m happy for the people of Libya.
August 23, 2011 at 6:31 pm
mjtrac
Erasmus,
I don’t disagree with you. Both “capitalist” and “socialist” societies, post WWII, organized themselves around huge institutions that became too big to fail and that diffused individual responsibility.
Yes, of course I’m free to start a worker-owned collective; and as long as it does not need to compete with organizations large enough to hire lobbyists and purchase elections, my collective may stand an economic chance.
We in supposedly capitalist America may well devote more funds to health care than “socialist” Brazil, but what is that supposed to mean? Are the funds purchasing health for average people, or are they concentrated in service to the wealthiest, and in “heroic” medicine that tries to extend lives by 24 to 72 hours at the end? Is the health care and pharma system driven by need, or by what can make the most money for a corporation?
The textbooks continue to talk about the success of the craftsman who builds the best widgets and sells them at a fair price. The reality is money from our pension plans gets invested in vast corporations whose executives are judged based not on the quality of their products or the treatment of their workers, but mostly on the last quarter’s ROI. We all “own” the corporations that are gradually destroying our society; we just have no actual control over them. Meanwhile, business now competes not on quality but on the ability to get government subsidies and tax breaks, and the ability to convince people that their — often worthless — products will improve their lives.
Anyone who continued to think the American system valued fairness should have had the veils lifted from their eyes by the “banking crisis” of the past few years. No money to save homeowners, no limit to the money to save bankers.
August 23, 2011 at 6:55 pm
Fred Mangels
Mielke wrote, “I’m happy for the people of Libya..
I’m not surprised to see Mielke turn this into a partisan issue, or to see him signing on with the Project For A New American Century.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
Maybe the rest of the Authoritarian Left should jump on board?
August 23, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Anonymous
tra is either in need of serious medication or off his med’s! can’t quite put my finger on it.
$900 million U.S. dollars and MG is still alive !!!
And of course Eric puts this on bush. I stubbed my toe today, maybe that ws bush’s fault too?
August 23, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Joel Mielke
Poor Fred. He bungles an internet search and believes that it’s a conspiracy. And after all of my attacks on the imperial US adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq, he crudely tries to link me to the Neocons because I wish the people of libya well.
August 24, 2011 at 6:20 am
Eric Kirk
Juan Cole’s top 10 myths about the Libyan War.
http://www.juancole.com/2011/08/top-ten-myths-about-the-libya-war.html
August 24, 2011 at 6:23 am
Fred Mangels
Mielke writes;…because I wish the people of libya well.:
It’s refreshing that the Obama administration helped destroy the regime that represented the Bush Administration’s…..
Uh, huh.
August 24, 2011 at 7:23 am
Erasmus
There is much truth in what mjtrac writes — I just don’t think it captures our current predicament in its totality (that would take a book, of course). Medicare is a fine, equitable program, and the poor have access to it along with their wealthier neighbors. — But the “naysaying” in your comment rings true in many instances, and I don’t want to split hairs.
August 24, 2011 at 7:45 am
Joel Mielke
As difficult as it is for Fred to grasp, the people of Libya want some measure of freedom and they are willing to fight for it. I’m pleased that the Obama administration was willing to contribute to their efforts. Fred’s inability to note the differences between our bombings of Ghaddafi’s army and our invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan are typical products of his religious embrace of the nutty teachings of libertarianism.
August 24, 2011 at 9:07 am
ED Denson
The Rixos 23 have been freed. The hotel remains in Quadaffi, Kadaffi, Guadaffi (however you’d like to spell it. The “K” version is my fave – it was on ABC last night) loyalists’ hands – at least there were 2 of them remaining in the place when the journalists were released. Strange as it seems, it is possible that some of the QKG holdouts simply do not know the status of the battle. Those at the hotel did not seem to.
Does it seem strange to you to have maps showing which individual buildings one side or the other holds? I grew up in the day of large maps with great swaths of a country being taken by one side or another. I recall when the US was almost driven from Korea, watching the toehold we had shrink day by day. But I don’t recall watching it tree by tree or hill by hill, which is the view we have of Tripoli. Its a strange world.
August 24, 2011 at 9:14 am
Eric Kirk
Joel – I agree, although I am concerned about the increasing trend of unilateral military actions taken by the executive branch – whomever is President. It looks like as good a result as can be expected – for a billion dollars and no occupation. But I still think that anything over a month of fighting should be deemed “war” for the purposes of the requirement of Congressional approval. Obama isn’t doing anything his predecessors haven’t done, but I still don’t like it.
August 24, 2011 at 10:17 am
Joel Mielke
It’s no surprise to watch these conservative shit-birds, who were supportive as Bush occupied Afghanistan and unilaterally attacked and occupied Iraq and threatened Iran, now wagging their fingers at the President’s use of military force in cooperation with NATO allies and with overwhelming thanks from Libyan rebels. Partisanship stops at the waters edge, unless a Democrat is in the White House.
August 24, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Not A Native
Eric, a perfect allocation of authority among government branches is unobtainable, and in truth doesn’t exist.
Nixon’s impeachment marked a low point for executive power, since then executive authority has generally been trending higher, culminating in Dubya’s assertion of a Unitary Executive. I’d say that trend is now leveled out and may be reversing.
Judiciary authority has also been tranding higher since the Warren Court, we’ll see if Rick Perry’s ideas gain any traction. But the mere fact that his proposals have a ring of ‘popularity’ indicate to me the judiciary’s authority has maxed out. Polulism by definition enlarges the power of the legislature.
August 25, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Dave Kirby
In the final analysis the economic mess goes back a long time. A long time before Obama and Bush. The level playing field that was to include the little guy was overcome by greed. This is not a failure of Capitalism … its a failure of ethics. Over time the game was rigged. The little guy’s money just greased the bigger wheel. It used to be that you couldn’t go wrong holding stock in the long run. Now it takes more than one lifetime to get even.