Driving home from Eureka this afternoon I listened to the speech. At first I listened through KGOE, but the liberal talk show host Karel kept injecting his sarcastic commentary (he is among the portion of the left which opposes the intervention) and it was hard to hear the speech itself. So I switched to one of the right wing stations until I couldn’t get it anymore, and then I realized it would probably be on NPR (quick note – NPR is obviously trying to play for Republican sympathy – two out of the three post-game analysis came from Republicans who said pretty much the same thing). The speech did in fact formally outline the Obama Doctrine – a revival of JFK of sorts. I break the doctrine (as it differs from the Bush doctrine) into three points.
1. Multi-lateralism
2. Humanitarian based intervention (“values” he referenced several times in addition to interests)
3. Military engagement which is only a subset of the overall policy objectives and not totally ultimate goals based (nuance).
This is a very liberal doctrine of interventionism. Basically, Obama deliberated with his advisers, and opted for what the warrior women pushed, and through some remarkable diplomacy obtained the right combo of support and abstentions from other countries (getting Russia and China to abstain at the UN Security Council, getting the Arab League behind it, and the ultimate coup of getting Ankara behind NATO involvement). Yes, Russia and Turkey will trot out obligatory objections, but it’s for constituency cover. Clinton and team put together something no Republican administration could have accomplished. Qater and the United Arab Emirates are participating in the enforcement of UN resolution. There are no mass demonstrations, domestically nor abroad. The left is divided and tentative. So is the right.
The concept of humanitarian intervention is revived from the Kennedy doctrine. Since then we’ve always spoken in terms of “vital US interests” and the like. But Obama’s people saw a unique opportunity here to prevent carnage of a city numbered at 700,000 residents, and they got some help from Gaddafy himself who promised “no mercy, no pity” going “house to house, door to door.” It may secretly be about oil or whatever. But the stated objective is the prevention of genocide, and the difficulty opponents have from both left and right is that there is little doubt that the attacks which began a week ago last Saturday prevented a massacre of unthinkable scale.
On NPR tonight, the House Armed Services Committee Chair (I think his name is Mike Rogers or Mike Jones – I’ll look it up later) lamented that Obama focused on the humanitarian basis and left out the WMDs in Gaddafy’s arsenal. Go figure! This is an anomaly in that the whole humanitarian military intervention basis sub-doctrine is opposed by many conservatives – not just the isolationist culture-war quasi-libertarian Tea Party folk, but even some of the military industrial complex elite spokespeople who want to emphasize military and economic interests. They don’t like Obama’s frame. They hate it in fact.
(More below the fold)
The last point is where the political fight is going to center. Already the Republicans (and even some conventional hawk Democrats) are slamming Obama for the lack of a “plan” or “clear goal.” The policy is a little complicated. The overall policy objective is the end of the Qaddafi regime. The focus of the current military campaign is more limited – the protection of the civilians (and yes, the rebel force – which Obama doesn’t bother to distinguish).
Rogers or Jones or whoever he is laments that we do not have an “end game” in place, because Obama is not drawing a road map to the Qaddafi ouster. He believes that Obama is creating a “new Hussein” with a regime which will last for years under the no-fly zone as Hussein did.
The demand for an end-game explanation fair game, because the left has made similar demands of Bush (similarly ignored). But we don’t know what contacts Obama has in the Qaddafi military, nor the intelligence in terms of likely defections and a strategy to divide and conquer. Obviously Obama can’t discuss it. The Republicans know it, but they will make what they can of it. They will attack nuance as indecision, and the idea that military policy is not completely congruent with regime change objective is weakness under their doctrine. Obama isn’t taking it passively. Tonight he said
To be blunt, we went down that road in Iraq. Thanks to the extraordinary sacrifices of our troops and the determination of our diplomats, we are hopeful about Iraq’s future. But regime change there took eight years, thousands of American and Iraqi lives, and nearly a trillion dollars. That is not something we can afford to repeat in Libya.
Obama’s gambit is to use the no-fly zone and civilian protection mandate to weaken the regime and give the rebellion breathing room to consolidate, organize, and obtain the weapons it needs. Obama thinks the particular intervention can be effective in tipping the balance (today’s news bodes well for his gamble, but it’s a long way to Tripoli). The difference between Iraq mid-90s and Libya today? A well-developed rebellion with popular backing. If the rebels approach to put Tripoli under siege, there will probably be resistance cells within the city unless Qaddafi has managed to flush them out already. And there may be regime military brass who decide they don’t want to go down with the ship. I am assuming that Obama, who doesn’t move an inch without overkill in planning, has a sense of the potential and decided this was a good gamble. It could make or break his Presidency (although David Korn thinks it will fade into “background noise” if there aren’t many American casualties).
As I’ve already written about, the left is divided. So too is the right. You’ve got McCain, Lieberman, and Lugar (who’ve never met a war they don’t like) who will criticize Obama on the particulars, but will support the policy nonetheless. And you have Bohnior, Bachman, and Congressional Republicans who will oppose the policy because it is Obama’s. And you have Gingrich who can’t make up his mind what he thinks. But the opposition and reluctant support is more than just opposition to Obama. The prospect of a successful Obama Doctrine removal of a dictator that half a dozen predecessor Presidents could not eliminate scares them crapless. The precedent of multi-lateralism would put every Republican President at a disadvantage for years to come. They’re freaking out on Fox as I type. Greta Van Sustern is gritting her teeth at the word “nuance,” and she can’t get Palin off her talking points to address the questions. Bolton is hedging his bets, trying to argue that if Obama is successful it’s because he’s lucky and because of how great our forces are.
I have to admit that I’m uneasy about a “values” based military intervention policy. Yes, the intervention prevented the Benghazi massacre. But I would be more comfortable with much less subjectivity. An Obama Doctrine in place would have freed Bush up – no need to manufacture a WMD crisis. Obama did outline some elements for an action – an imminent catastrophe with reasonable prospects for prevention. But I am concerned about the long term precedent.
You can read the whole speech through this link.

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March 28, 2011 at 9:38 pm
ED Denson
Well, he listed a pretty extraordinary set of cirumstances that justified intervention. It’s not just “values”. It’s “values plus”
1. International participation
2. International leadership (well, Nato is run by an American)
3. UN resolution.
4. Arab support
5. Request from victims.
6 (not listed – but immediate threat of large scale massacre)
Not real likely to come up every time there is trouble – even every time there is a large scale massacre impending.
I wonder too it there isn’t some idea of showing just how far the US military is ahead of the military technology of the armies of the various nations that might oppose us. As an air campaign it was Iraq all over again. No US casualties except the bank account. And the next gen weapons announced makes these look pitiful. Plus now almost all the oil is in rebel hands, free from the threat of attack and they can start pumping again. Lets hope that the rebel government doesn’t end up being hard-core fundamentalists.
March 28, 2011 at 9:40 pm
ED Denson
I should say “It was Iraq war #1 all over again.”
March 28, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Eric Kirk
Ed – Did NATO back the first Iraq War?
And if you read between the lines and isolate a clue:
We had a unique ability to stop that violence…
The word “unique” implies that intervention against an impending catastrophe will be made when the objective conditions render a likelihood of success. Hence the statement from the Administration earlier in the day that we won’t be intervening in Syria despite the fact that their troops are opening fire on unarmed demonstrators.
On another topic, I’m listening to Donal Trump on Fox News behind me. I suppose he’s a genius at what he does, but what a nut! Add him to the war opposition.
March 29, 2011 at 12:25 am
scott LaMorte
I haven’t had time to delve deeply here, so I’ll ask: how different is this from Clinton’s military intervention in the Balkans?
March 29, 2011 at 12:39 am
scott LaMorte
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_wars
March 29, 2011 at 6:56 am
Eric Kirk
Juan Cole’s “Open Letter to the Left”
http://www.thenation.com/article/159517/open-letter-left-libya
Another Nation article on “the Innocence of the Liberal Hawk.”
http://www.thenation.com/article/159449/innocence-liberal-hawk
March 29, 2011 at 8:32 am
Joe Blow
I listened to the whole speech. His so-called “doctrine,” is nothing more than total justification for enforcing total anarchy on this earth. It’s the Bush “doctrine” on steroids and is totally consistent with what hes done since the moment he announced for the presidency. Whatever American, actually the President’s “interests” are is sufficient reason and justification to attack anyone, go to war, anywhere in the the world.
I listened to Juan Cole on Democracy Now this morning and was rather disappointed in him. He doesn’t understand what’s really going on as much as I thought he did. Going to war or attacking another based on a simple threat (“massacre his people”) is the same as convicting someone on a simple unproven accusation. The police and the courts do it all the time. Interfering in another’s sovereign rights to “life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness” based upon lying accusations is a crime.
March 29, 2011 at 9:28 am
ED Denson
Eric – no idea if NATO backed Iraq #1, the comparison I was making was that we had such technological superiority that we were able to destroy what was then called the 4th largest army in the world, quickly, and with very small loss of life on our side (and most of that was “friendly fire”). Since then our superiority in weapons has increased – all it takes on our part is the willingness to pay in dollars instead of lives and we can militarily defeat almost any single country on earth. Had we not remained in Iraq in war #2 our losses of life (and dollar costs) would have been quite small also relative to the actuality. Our technological advantage seems to be increasing over time, altho no doubt once others have seen what we’ve got they can move to narrow the gap (sort of like others trying to catch Apple).
March 29, 2011 at 10:13 am
Erasmus
Of course NATO supported the effort to re-establish the sovereignty of Kuwait. It is easy to list the countries and organizations that did not (N.Korea, Palestinian Territory….). — There was no NATO military command in the theater of operations, but NATO participation was crucial to the implementation of the war effort.
March 29, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Eric Kirk
I thought he did. Going to war or attacking another based on a simple threat (“massacre his people”) is the same as convicting someone on a simple unproven accusation.
If a man threatened to kill his neighbor “without mercy or pity” the police would definitely intervene, and justifiably so. Was Qaddafi lying about his intentions? Hard to imagine why he would do that, and his past record shows a complete willingness for brutality. We’re talking about 700,000 men, women, and children that you suggest we should have ignore on the chance that Qaddafi might be bluffing.
March 29, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Arcatawitch
So if we kill them, they are free… ?
March 29, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Eric Kirk
No, but if we kill a few people manning tanks and artillery, we can save tens of thousands. It’s not a pretty picture, but that is the equation.
March 29, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Joe Blow
“If a man threatened to kill his neighbor” based on what? Someone’s accusation? There is absolutely NO proof massacred anyone. There’s a big difference between telling someone your going to “kill” them and picking up a weapon and going after them. “Hard to imagine”? That’s right, Eric, it is all in your imagination and everyone else’s imagination that acted on that statement. You call Gadaffi crazy then use his crazy words to justify attacking him. You’ve got absolutely NO proof to justify the assault or attack – going to war. You need to get out of your mind and start dealing with reality.
America is learning this lesson the hard way and you’re no exception: You live by the lie you die by the lie.
March 29, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Eric Kirk
based on what? Someone’s accusation? There is absolutely NO proof massacred anyone. There’s a big difference between telling someone your going to “kill” them and picking up a weapon and going after them.
Uh Joe. They had the weapons. They were right outside the city preparing to tear into it. Accusation? Qaddafi himself said he was going to enter the city with “no mercy, no pity” and that he would go “house to house, door to door” to round people up. And he has already killed numerous people, inside his country and out. Lots of them.
Did you think he was going to have a change of heart when he went in? That he was going to act any nicer than he had just hours before in Ajdabiya?
They aren’t “crazy words.” He’s done it before, and he’ll do it again if he gets the chance. Or do you know nothing of his 40 year history in power?
Here’s the Amnesty International page in case you’re interested.
http://blog.amnestyusa.org/tag/al-gaddafi/
March 29, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Bolithio
Joe you think everyone is a lair. So you live and die by the lie too.
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Obama also clearly had economic and strategic interests as part of the justification. Saving human life is warm and fuzzy, but that alone doesn’t ever seem to pencil out.
March 29, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Anonymous
Its about oil folks plain and simple. Oil.
March 29, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Dave Kirby
Back in 67-68 a famous lefty matriarch bought me a ticket to a fund raising clatch that was held at another power player’s ,a lady whose family owned RainBird the irrigation co.. J.K. Galbraith was there. The Shah of Iran’s name came up. It seems we had been giving this guy money for schools and hospitals and most of it was being spent on tennis courts and Monte Carlo. The Islamic revolution happened because the church had an answer to corruption. The longer we tolerate these gangsters the harder it will be to find another option. The economic meltdown has up’d the ante everywhere.
March 29, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Eric Kirk
Its about oil folks plain and simple. Oil.
Gosh. Very profound, deep, and original.
March 30, 2011 at 8:33 am
Joe Blow
Nothing you said Eric is any proof – only your opinion. What he says or what he’s done in the past proves nothing to justify war. You give up yourselves when you believe you can read minds and know heart motives – let me know when you can walk on water. Until then you’ve got blood on your hands.
March 30, 2011 at 8:46 am
Plain Jane
And that scenario is repeated around the world, Dave. Keeping dictators in power benefits the corporations. It’s easier and cheaper to bribe a small group than a whole country, especially when you do so with mostly taxpayer money and you get cheap, essentially forced labor, resources, lax regulations and tax breaks. Remember one of the huge problems the US had with Hussein (and still has with Chavez) was the use of their oil revenues to fund social programs and to subsidize wages and food prices for the benefit of the majority and not just profits into the pockets of the elite.
March 30, 2011 at 9:00 am
Eric Kirk
I guess we should have waited until after the massacre happened and then said, “oh, gee, that’s too bad.” But if a dictator with a murderous history makes a promise, I personally think we should take him seriously.
March 30, 2011 at 9:11 am
nick bravo
Eric, if it were bush pulling this crap you’d be denouncing the war in lybia. Do you realize the war is NOT a humanitarian effort. Honestly eric, I don’t get how someone as intelligent as yourself can be so gullible as to buy into the left/right paradigm and believe that its ok for one person or nation to do something and for another its not ok. The war is about control. land, oil, money, etc they’re all tools of control. It’s about control. The basic premise being followed is that its ok for some to control others but not for others. Its a basic premise of might makes right. I’ll be doing an episode on philosophy and basic premises on my show on access humboldt channel 12. I’m trully bothered by how so few are willing to see the left/right paradigm for what it is and how so many believe its ok for obama to declare murder on civilians but when bush did it it was wrong. Check your premises! Check your premises!
March 30, 2011 at 9:18 am
Eric Kirk
That’s pretty kneejerk nick. I did not denounce the war in Afghanistan.
Well, certain aspects of it, but then, I’m probably going to denounce aspects of this one as well as it evolves.
March 30, 2011 at 9:39 am
nick bravo
Eric, its not kneejerk. It’s I as a student of reality am seeing what is while most are seeing whatever the state wants them to see. those supposed “civillian geurillas” are in reality al-qaida which has been shown to be a tool of the global banking elite!
March 30, 2011 at 9:40 am
Erasmus
“Kneejerk” is a kind way of putting it. On the other hand: how comforting it must be to see “oil” at the root of everything. Thinking is difficult,and a bumpersticker level of discourse accomplishes several things: it places us on the side of the angels, it allows our minds to focus on more immediate matters than foreign policy, and the world becomes understandable when complexity is removed. — By the way, if anyone still thinks that “oil” explains our misbegotten venture in Iraq, take a look at which companies have been awarded the lucrative contracts to develop Iraqi oilfields. You won’t find an American one.
March 30, 2011 at 10:11 am
Erasmus
“Student of reality.” Priceless.
March 30, 2011 at 10:24 am
Joe Blow
Take someone “seriously” is one thing. Going to war with that person is altogether something else. In lifetime it was not been uncommon for some hulking bully with a record of beating the hell out of people just for the joy of it to tell me he was going to kick my ass. Did that give me the right to get a gun and shoot them on the spot? Call the police? File charges? Believe me, that was a joke. As a person that fully believes in the god-given right to self-defense I would, according to you, been fully in the right. Well, I’m here to tell you that would have put blood on my hands.
So for people like you Kirk that don’t know the difference, until that person verbally threatening me physically acted THERE WAS NO PROOF OF ANY ACTUAL PHYSICAL THREAT!
March 30, 2011 at 10:40 am
Joe Blow
Here’s an appropriate article – opening and closing excerpts below. Anyone see the hypocrisy?
The Lesson the U.S. Is Teaching the World in Libya
In all the discussion about the current U.S. bombing of Libya, something important has gone almost unnoticed—the lesson the United States is teaching the government of every country on earth. That lesson is: no matter what, no matter the inducements or pressure, never ever give up chemical weapons or a nuclear weapons program. Doing so will not ensure that the U.S. does not attack you—on the contrary, it will make it much more likely. *** So that’s the lesson the Obama administration is teaching the world: listen to what U.S. officials say about their plans, and take it very, very seriously. Don’t make the mistake that Iraq and Libya made and disarm—it’s not a path to safety. Instead, it’s the quickest route to your own destruction.
March 30, 2011 at 10:43 am
Joe Blow
And the link: The Lesson the U.S. Is Teaching the World in Libya
March 30, 2011 at 10:45 am
Joe Blow
Third times a charm – maybe…
The Lesson the U.S. Is Teaching the World in Libya
March 30, 2011 at 11:16 am
Eric Kirk
THERE WAS NO PROOF OF ANY ACTUAL PHYSICAL THREAT!
Uh, there were massive numbers of troops with tanks and heavy artillery right outside of the city. They had already begun their attack. I’d say that’s “proof.”
March 30, 2011 at 11:17 am
Eric Kirk
On the other hand: how comforting it must be to see “oil” at the root of everything.
As Goldwyn said, “we need new cliches.”
March 30, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Joe Blow
Hardly proof when you consider the towns he already passed through with those tanks, etc “massive numbers of troops” don’t know where you come up with that. They had already begun their attack on REBELS – NOT civilians. Unless you consider rebels as armed civilians? You seem to forget that Gaddafi is the legitimate ruler of that country and has the absolute right to defend his government and country as he sees fit, regardless of what people like you believe. Just because a mob gets together and decides it’s time to take out some guy because everyone doesn’t like him doesn’t make it right or them any less liable. You’ve got more blood on your hands.
When you’ve got “massive” numbers of dead civilians then you’ve got proof. Until then you’ve only got worthless opinions and lying accusations. PERIOD! No legal justification for war. You see Obama’s latest maneuver in Libya?
March 30, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Joe Blow
More blood:
The wisdom and legality of arming Libyan rebels – Excerpt:
(1) Reuters reports today that President Obama “has signed a secret order authorizing covert U.S. government support for rebel forces seeking to oust Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.” The specific form the order took was a “finding,” or “a presidential directive used to authorize secret operations by the Central Intelligence Agency.” No debate, no discussion, no Congressional vote — the Emperor simply decrees it and thus shall it be. Speaking of which,TPM reports that Hillary Clinton has told Congress that Obama would ignore any Congressional act restraining U.S. military action in Libya as “an unconstitutional encroachment on executive power.” Behold the Majestic Power of Article II: that’s the stench of Change.
March 31, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Joe Blow
When I read this article, I thought of you Kirk, “pure imperial lawlessness”: Obama’s new view of his own War Powers.
March 31, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Eric Kirk
I actually agree, for the most part, with Greenwald’s analysis, which is why I’m of very mixed feelings about the action. Obama’s intervention did save tens of thousands of lives, perhaps hundreds of thousands. But it may have been illegal. Obama of 2007 certainly thought so. That five of the last seven Presidents have acted similarly isn’t an excuse, nor the in my view unconstitutional War Powers Act. He should have pushed the matter in Congress.
But he didn’t. Lives may have been saved, but the power of the executive branch has been advanced just that much more, as it has gradually since Andrew Jackson and accelerated under Lincoln.
April 1, 2011 at 8:12 am
Joe Blow
What is it that I’m missing here? “Obama’s intervention did save tens of thousands of lives, perhaps hundreds of thousands.” You make that statement as if it is the god’s gospel truth and Obama is somehow God’s blessed gift to mankind – at least the Libyans. You certainly are NOT God, Jesus Christ, Mohammad, or some other mind-reading prophet, so why do you continue to carry on like you are? Your religious beliefs are getting in the way of your “objective way” of thinking.
What Obama “should” have done is irrelevant and a lame effort to justify his legitimacy as President. Obama didn’t become President because he was stupid. It’s the people that continue to believe in him, that somehow he’s different – better, that are stupid!
Moreover, Eric, your legal credentials become worthless when you make these kinds of statements: “MAY have been illegal.” That determination does not rest with men’s interpretations or opinions, but with the actions as defined by the law. The law is specific as are the actions. Oh, well – so much for that.
April 1, 2011 at 8:43 am
Joe Blow
Almost forgot. Thanks for reading Greenwald’s article and responding. I appreciate that.
There’s an awakening going on right now in this world with young people, 40′s and younger. It is mostly at an early or beginning stage that is developing into concrete, physical actions. Why I continue to hold out hope for you, I don’t know.
What (most) people fail to understand today is that upholding and defending the U.S. Constitution is NOT a personal choice or prerogative. It is the people’s absolute responsibility to obey and enforce Constitutional Law as much as it is Obama’s. Failure to do so, for whatever seemingly justifiable reasons, is like cutting your own throat.
What makes America legitimate, as a people and as a nation, under Law, is that Constitution. It is the source of their legitimacy and power that grants them their right to exist. Today that Constitution is NOT worth the paper it is written upon, so you can draw your own conclusions. (Like the throat-cut person, it may take them awhile to bleed out, and they may be conscious during this time, but they are just as damned dead all the same.)
April 1, 2011 at 11:47 am
Plain Jane
If everyone shared the same opinion of what the law is, Joe, things would be much simpler. However, since even SCOTUS rarely agrees 100% on what is legal and what is illegal, both throughout history and as individuals on the same court, it seems a bit odd to take issue with the phrase, “may have been illegal.”
April 1, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Eric Kirk
Thank you Jane. In fact, I rarely make an absolute statement about Constitutional law.
April 5, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Joe Blow
My point exactly, worthless “opinions” trump “Law.” Which equals anarchy and mob rule. So, why do we need lawyers, specially one’s like Eric?
Eric’s prima facie statement emulating this consensus attitude, as enforced by a majority of “freedom loving Americans” from President Obama on down, is why I say the Constitution isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.
By the way, “SCOTUS” is NOT the final arbiter on Constitutional Law, despite your beliefs, the American people are. The fact that they disagree is irrelevant.