I don’t make this comment lightly. While my politics generally fall to the “left” of at minimum 95 percent of the American population who think at all about politics (and probably 90 percent of the world’s), I don’t hold opposing political views against their advocates. In fact, I not only respect many to most conservatives – I respect conservatism itself. While I believe that reforms and necessary transformation of certain institutions and mores of society are most often too slow to ease the pain and suffering generated by inequities of our failings both at the individual and social level, I do believe that conservatism serves as an essential reminder that changes which move too far and too fast can generate unintended consequences – whether they throw an economy out of balance or result in tyrannies which kill millions in that name of all that is holy and just. I read conservative opinion and analysis. I appreciate the humor and occasional principled consistency I find at magazines like American Spectator, National Review, and Human Events. Yes, there’s plenty of hypocrisy, denial, cluelessness, and even vindictiveness and malice. But you can find that on the left as well. Sometimes I can take it in stride. And sometimes the hypocrisy and cowardice is just too much to let slide, especially when it is so widespread in the movement, or anti-movement, or whatever conservatives want to call themselves.
I’m referring to Conservative Political Action Conference and the complete silence with regard to Egypt (third or fourth “top 10 story” down). Yeah, they’re confused. They don’t know how it’s going to play out, so they don’t want to take a chance on undermining their basic principle (Islam is inherently violent and nothing good can come from mass demonstrations involving Muslims) and the potential political fallout if they come out on the wrong side of history. Credit Limbaugh, Coulter, and a few other cro-mags for coming down firmly on the bigoted side. Credit Krauthammer and even fewer others calling the first group on their crap, and taking flack for it. And most of the first group have become somewhat subdued since Mubarak actually stepped down.
So maybe I shouldn’t blame conservatism itself, but just the practitioners. Hate the sinner and love the sin, or something like that. The problem is that this is more than just hypocrisy generated by uncertainty and future political positioning necessities. It’s about more than hedging bets. Uncertainty requires nuance and humility, and the practitioners of conservatism who attend CPAC just don’t have that capacity. They thrive on a an angry simplicity which just doesn’t apply to the situation. Maybe if the conference had taken place 10 days ago we would have seen the definitive “we should be rooting for Mubarak” expression in prominence. Maybe 10 days from now, or two months from now, they could deliver speeches that the Christians and businessmen actually saved the day, or if things go bad, blame the left for falling naive one more time to the romance of revolution. But Mubarak inconveniently fell right in the middle of their conference – at a moment that nobody can say what is going to happen, and with evidence which might even justify a faith in the ghastly concept of Islamic moderation. Unfortunately, it’s not enough to express skepticism. The constituency wants bold, morally certain, proclamations. They want to know who to cheer and who to attack. They don’t want the old Catholic clerical fallback with tough theological questions – “God works in mysterious ways.” He doesn’t. He props up good and strikes down evil. Evil has to be identified.
This revolution, if it truly turns out to have been one, is bad news for extremist groups like Al Qaida or Hezbollah. And in the same vein it is terrifying to certain elements of western conservatism. The whole raison d’etre is called into question.
The silence is truly pathetic.

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February 14, 2011 at 6:12 am
Fred
The silence is truly pathetic.
I don’t know about that. I don’t know what to think about Egypt myself. The end result remains to be seen. Sometimes I think it’s best to just keep your mouth shut if you’re not sure about a situation.
Maybe I’m missing your point?
February 14, 2011 at 6:50 am
Mitch
The failing is not with conservatism as a political philosophy. The failing is with the bunch that have commandeered its name.
It’s not news any longer that the terms left and right, liberal and conservative, have become meaningless.
To the extent there is a political division in the country, it is between team red and team blue.
Team Red believes large, private, profit-centered organizations must be given maximum opportunity, and state aid is properly directed only to such organizations. People will benefit via trickle down from those organizations, which are believed to produce an efficient economy. Since many folks on team red don’t see much difference between an economy and a society, feeding those organizations is best for society. Government is supposed to magically produce a “level playing field,” even though the people who run government should properly come from and return to these large, private, profit-centered organizations.
Team Blue believes state aid is properly devoted to assisting people directly, and that many things are handled best without inserting profit-making into the equation. They favor regulation to ensure that large profit-making organizations do the underlying tasks society needs done, in ways that are best for society. They also, mystifyingly, believe that once people enter government they suddenly give up self-interest and seek the best for society as a whole, and somehow treat as a matter of faith the idea that taxes will be taken from the powerful and used to assist the poor, when the evidence does not support this.
My own take is not along this spectrum at all. I still think E.F. Schumacher got it right with “Small is Beautiful.”
February 14, 2011 at 8:37 am
Erasmus
You mention “Human Events” among the conservative publications you occasionally read. A couple of years ago I responded to an invitation to buy a trial subscription to that journal (as part of my vow to read as many sides as possible on important issues).My hopes were dashed rather quickly:”Human Events” is Ann Coulter, not William F. Buckley (who was not without flaws himself,of course). The attacks on then-candidate Obama were cruel and unrelenting. — In my opinion, the best conservative journals are “City Journal” (a quarterly) and “Commentary” (a monthly, Jewish-focused magazine).
February 14, 2011 at 8:52 am
moviedad
Amen to that. It’s amazing that these radicals call themselves “Conservatives” they don’t “conserve” anything but their own power.
I like the Red-team, Blue-team analogy. except that both teams are from the ruling class and the Blue-Team’s only real function is to placate the masses so they never realize how complete the dictatorship of the ruling class really is. They can still dream of another “Traitor-to-his-class” like Kennedy or Roosevelt coming along and saving the day.
February 14, 2011 at 9:17 am
Joe Blow
Eric, You get religion since the last time we conversed on this blog?
You say: “Yes, there’s plenty of hypocrisy, denial, cluelessness, and even vindictiveness and malice. Sometimes I can take it in stride. And sometimes the hypocrisy and cowardice is just too much to let slide …” By your own words you stand judged.
There is a revolution and you do not see it for what it is. Your silence is and was your similar statement to me of your equal moral failing and hypocrisy. My purpose for commenting on this blog was to establish that fact. It’s not so easy removing the “rafter from your own eye” is it?
You clearly didn’t and don’t understand the revolution or its basic issue and yet you did not ask either. That makes you an elitist or at least a wannabe in your own little world. Either way, like you, these people across the world are setup for betrayal. The question before the Egyptian people and the reason for the glaring silence of our elected representatives and the rank hypocrisy of Barack Obama and his government and I might add on this blog, is who eventually rules Egypt and other revolting peoples, the minority Elite or the enlivened and exalted people? The issue is being confronted right now in this country because Barack Obama has enabled that same confrontation. These Elitist are not going to give up control and power just because a black man gets elected President or demonstrators beat down the police and occupy some city squares in faraway countries. Your “Conservative” Dark Age Believers are merely the vanguard, but they are only a portion of these morally depraved and corrupt people.
February 14, 2011 at 9:35 am
Joe Blow
Eric, You state: “They don’t want the old Catholic clerical fallback with tough theological questions – “God works in mysterious ways.” He doesn’t. He props up good and strikes down evil. Evil has to be identified.”
What makes you an authority on God and His definition of “good and evil”? You partake of the forbidden fruit and God whisper “sweet nothings” in your little ears? Where is your proof that “God props up good and strikes down evil”? Who’s going to define and identify “evil”? You? Your statement above, on this blog and to me contradict any claim to such god-given authority. You dedicate and devote your life to proving and “proofing” the teachings of Jesus Christ, to establish what is and what is not? You and your revealed life’s experience wouldn’t make a pimple on such a person’s ass. Again, you stand judged by your own words: “The whole raison d’etre is called into question. The silence is truly pathetic.”
February 14, 2011 at 9:58 am
Dave Kirby
Joe you sound like a Conan the Barbarian comic book. A little overblown don’t you think?
February 14, 2011 at 9:59 am
Eric Kirk
I don’t know about that. I don’t know what to think about Egypt myself. The end result remains to be seen. Sometimes I think it’s best to just keep your mouth shut if you’re not sure about a situation.
Maybe I’m missing your point?
Yes, you are Fred. The point is that the leadership speaking at the conference could say that. They could say, “the situation in Egypt is very complex and we should withhold judgment on the situation until we have more facts.” But there is no space for that. The indiv9idual would be booed off the stage and blackballed for being an intellectual wimp. Best to avoid the topic altogether.
I mean, what’s completely lacking is any sense of curiosity about the world – no sense that maybe there is something to learn. You have the answers and you want your leadership to provide the answers. You don’t want wavering analysis.
But just so we’re clear, I’m not saying they should take a stand. It’s the complete lack of discussion that is truly a moral failing. Possibly the biggest event of the century just took place and they’re too scared to talk about it.
Erasmus – I agree that H.E. has gone downhill in recent years. I miss the days of more nuanced analysis by people like Thomas Sowel, Floyd Harbour, Michael Novak, and even Jeanne Kirkpatrick.
I’ll always respect the American Spectator for their article about Dan Quayle entitled “Why Danny Can’t Read.” Granted, it was in response to him saying that he didn’t read the American Spectator because the articles were too long, but the point is that it amounted to some intellectual independence, and they were slammed for it by the CPAC types who wrote to them telling them that they were just an appendage of the North East Liberal Elite – which considering that as many liberals read them as conservatives isn’t all that far from the truth.
But yeah, I think the Buckleys of the conservative movement are gone. I don’t even remember him being interviewed on Fox once.
February 14, 2011 at 10:10 am
Eric Kirk
By the way, some of the speakers did leave clues as to where they might be leaning. Romney and Pawlenti for instance appeared to be setting themselves up for their lines in the sand once the consensus on facts generates at least the raw material for the illusion of certainty. I’d say that Romney is opting for the Krauthammer position, already perhaps angling for a moderate image for the general against Obama. Pawlenty is prepared to pander rightward.
But for the most part, they had little to say about the nation’s policy toward Egypt, whether to praise the demonstrators whose protests forced President Hosni Mubarak to step down, or to offer the principles that should guide U.S. policy as the American and Israeli ally takes the next steps toward democracy.
Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney didn’t mention Egypt at all in his speech. Nor did Sen. John Thune (S.D.), although his text included a line that said, “Let’s stand with those around the world who are risking their lives for freedom.” Former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty made a glancing reference, criticizing Obama as appeasing U.S. adversaries, including “Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.”
February 14, 2011 at 10:36 am
Joe Blow
What’s hypocritical and pathetic about this statement?
But there is no space for that. The indiv9idual would be booed off the stage and blackballed for being an intellectual wimp. Best to avoid the topic altogether.
I mean, what’s completely lacking is any sense of curiosity about the world – no sense that maybe there is something to learn. You have the answers and you want your leadership to provide the answers. You don’t want wavering analysis.
But just so we’re clear, I’m not saying they should take a stand. It’s the complete lack of discussion that is truly a moral failing.
What’s the matter Kirk? No smart remarks?
February 14, 2011 at 10:45 am
Eric Kirk
Okay, TPM is reporting on the reason for the silence. CPAC has been infiltrated by Muslim Brotherhood agents!
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/pamela_geller_cpac_compromised_by_muslim_brotherhood_activists_video.php?ref=fpblg
February 14, 2011 at 10:49 am
Fred
I don’t see a problem with the lack of discussion on the issue, assuming most attending either didn’t have a position or didn’t care one way or the other about it. I’d rather have people not saying anything in that case rather than try to manufacture some political red vs. white/ us vs. them split out of it.
As for myself, I stayed clear of it as I feel Egyptians might well end up worse off after this thing gets settled, just as I think Iraqis might arguably be worse off now than they were before Hussein lost power.
February 14, 2011 at 10:54 am
Eric Kirk
Yeah, well, I see a huge problem with it. And if they don’t care one way or other about it, well, that’s even worse.
February 14, 2011 at 11:54 am
Anonymous
“Yeah, well, I see a huge problem with it. And if they don’t care one way or other about it, well, that’s even worse.”
Aren’t you imposing your cultural values on them now Eric? Why should they care about Egypt when Americans are losing their homes?
February 14, 2011 at 11:54 am
Joe Blow
Conservative’s stand in support the Ruling Elite in this country should come as no surprise. What should surprise everyone is how fast what’s going on in the Middle East is happening in this country. Will a majority of Americans join in the revolution that is moving across this planet? People like Eric Kirk should remember, all of those people that sided with Mubarak’s regime are still living next door to those that revolted against him. While what you say about “conservatives” in general and specially about the CPAC meeting is true, they are everything you say they are and more, your commentary is WAY TOO LATE! You can try bullshitting these people into believing that you are somehow different, but your actions speak to a different truth.
Here’s an excerpt from Democracy Now this morning. The American voter by an overwhelming majority put these kinds of people into power this last election and look to broaden that reality in the next. While the people of the Mid-East try to shake of these despots after decades of draconian rule, the American people in all their brilliant wisdom want it.
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February 14, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Not A Native
Eric you’re just tilting at windmills, while puffing yourself up claiming liberal credentials. You’re such a self proclaimed martyr to progressivity, maybe you should be hanging yourself on hooks. IMO, you’re a centrist Democrat, no more no less. And kinda conservative on anything icky and unruly, which disturbs your squeamish sensibilities.
The CPAC is a strawman, even Pat Buchanan derisively calls them the marginal ‘true believers’. They’ve selected Ron Paul as their candidate for several years, proving themselves to be out of touch with any widely appealing conservative agenda. He’s Fred’s champion, ’nuff said.
So sure, you can pile on them too. Proclaiming you’re doing God’s work. But its just a cheap shot. But how revealing that in a pinch, you reflexively fall back on Catholic precepts, your true moral fount.
February 14, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Eric Kirk
Hey NAN. Somehow I think your property rights line when it comes to smart growth and local regs qualifies you as a centrist more than I. Certainly where it counts.
CPAC was attended by all the presidential hopefuls except Palin. Even Donal Trump showed up. Whatever Pat Buchanan says, they certainly aren’t marginal.
February 14, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Sally
Palin was planning a trip there, but quit halfway through.
February 14, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Not A Native
No Eric, I’m not the subject here, you are. I didn’t claim here to be anything. But you claim a lot, taking a cheap shot to gain a reputation. You’re nothing but a punk, elevating yourself by dissing the already discredited CPAC. And like an identified perp, you’re pointing a finger to someone else hoping to divert attention from your deception. You’ve no shame or hesitation whatsoever in aggrandizing yourself.
February 14, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Eric Kirk
Wow! My deception! Gee NAN, I’m sorry your buddies at CPAC were dissed. Are you the “angry one” who always calls into Thank Jah?
February 14, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Mitch
I remain really confused by this post and the resulting discussion. What did you hope CPACtics would say? What did you expect they would say?
Most Mericans only concern with foreign affairs is cutting our “excessive foreign aid,” which, as you know, is already miserly compared with that from most developed countries, and which mostly goes to foreign militaries. I think cutting foreign aid is the one thing red and blue agree on, with both sides probably misoverestimating it by about a factor of 10 to 20.
Egypt is a bunch of darkish people who speak the wrong language. If you’re “progressive,” they’re “good” because they’re not Israel. If you’re “conservative,” they’re bad because they’re not Israel.
February 14, 2011 at 6:42 pm
moviedad
It’s so rude to come to someone’s house and then insult them. Where does all this animosity towards Erik come from?
February 14, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Anonymous
Its only coming from NAN, moviedad. Only NAN is allowed to proudly claim true progressive values, and Erik’s piercing of his progressive vail was so priceless I am laughing about it still, hours later.
February 14, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Eric Kirk
Moviedad – I think it started back when we were debating the GPU, but NAN really started to get weird during the NCJ fish hook body hanging cover discussion. NAN declared at that time that the failure to revere the acts depicted as art renders one something other than progressive. Siding with developers against broader community interests? That’s not anti-progressive.
February 15, 2011 at 8:45 am
tra
“Siding with developers against broader community interests? ”
I don’t remember NAN ever deviating from the Healthy Humboldt position. Maybe I missed something?
February 15, 2011 at 8:51 am
Eric Kirk
Am I confusing him with someone else? Maybe I got it wrong. Apologies to NAN if that’s the case.
There was something he was upset with prior to the meat hook argument. I don’t think he’s been posting here since the Reggae war.
February 15, 2011 at 8:56 am
tra
By the way, I think the whole “siding with developers” construct is quite misleading. The Smart-Sprawlers are “siding with developers” too, for example Forster-Gill and their 1,400-unit subdivision being planned for the Ridegwood/Cutten area. I believe Foster-Gill gave something like $10,000 to Bonnie Neeley’s ill-fated campaign.
Nonetheless, according to the spin from the SmartSprawlers, a huge, strip-mall-and-suburban-cul-de-sac development with huge traffic impacts, 10 miles from downtown, one that converts working timberland into residential and commercial use, with all profits going to a single out-of-area developer — that’s “smart growth.” Meanwhile, individual TPZ owners who want to build even a single residence on their own land are “greedy developers.”
I hope that clears things up.
February 15, 2011 at 9:20 am
Eric Kirk
The big problem some of the developers have with the Cutten development is that it has incorporated smart growth policies. I think they don’t want the precedent to encourage expectations with their own projects.
I understand your position tra. And I admired the genius of the new developer strategy back at the Code Enforcement public meeting at the Vet’s Hall when HumCPR distributed their buttons. When I explained what the organization was, and who had started it, to one of the young men wearing it, he was a little shocked.
That’s not to say that you don’t have some good points. But make no mistake, the hippie-developer alliance is real. And in twenty years we’ll know if it was a good thing.
I have also spoken to a few who say that they would no longer support tree sitting and the like because they have come to “respect property rights.” And one hippie kid (he’s in his thirties now, so maybe he’s not so much a “kid” anymore) even told he’d support dredging the Humboldt Bay. Somebody had obviously been talking to him.
It’s not a shock to me. One activist I knew in Santa Cruz once told me, “the hippies I have known who move to rural areas invariably turn into rednecks.” I also think that’s an oversimplification, but maybe there is something to the old Marxist view of the petit-bourgeois who become property owners and the ideological impact. There is definitely a libertarian streak in Sohum politics, and I remember one KMUD talk show in which Libertarian Party activists were invited to share their “common ground.” Moreover, early on in the Tea Party movement, there were local activists who spoke fondly of the Tea Party, saying that they would “come around” with regard to health care. And when I did my radio show on Health Care, there were only a few callers pushing for single payer. Most of them called in to oppose the mandate.
The point is that rural hippies do originate from the left cultural milieu, but the prominent ideologies do significantly differentiate from classical “urban” liberalism, and I think developer interests have effectively exploited that difference. And maybe it’s the county’s “fault” for provoking it, but the capacity has always been there. Local environmentalism as we knew it may be an occurrence of the past, and perhaps that’s not such a bad thing. But why the denial about it? I suspect that certain interests don’t want people thinking it through and hearing Pete Seeger’s voice in the background singing “which side are you on?”
February 15, 2011 at 10:00 am
tra
…the hippies I have known who move to rural areas invariably turn into rednecks.
Well, from past discussions I’m pretty sure NAN agrees with that — 100%!
But I’ve got enough personal experience with friends and aquaintances around here to know that this is by no means a universal phenomenon. Some hippies become more redneck-like, but by no means all of them. Meanwhile, the hippies have their own effect on the redneck population.
Longterm, mostly friendly and neighborly exposure to people who have some differing opinions and values, along with intermarriage, friendships between children, work relationships, and so on, can eventually lead, if not always to complete agreement, at least to greater tolerance and willingness to listen to and respect one another’s points of view. So in the long-term, there often ends up being some degree of convergence where most people cannot be easily pigeon-holed as either hippie or redneck. That’s a process that seems to be well underway in places like rural Humbolt, and it’s not necessarily a bad thing.
February 15, 2011 at 10:12 am
Anonymous
A conservative is a liberal who pays taxes.
February 15, 2011 at 10:16 am
tra
But make no mistake, the hippie-developer alliance is real.
And my point is that we should also make no mistake about the fact that the urban/suburban liberal-developer alliance is just as real, it just involves different developers.
The big problem some of the developers have with the Cutten development is that it has incorporated smart growth policies. I think they don’t want the precedent to encourage expectations with their own projects.
I don’t doubt that this is the concern for some. But it’s also true that there are plenty of folks who are not “developers” by trade, but who have problems with the Forster-Gill development because they feel that the “Smart Growth” label is being stretched to the point of absurdity in order to provide a fig leaf for what basically amounts to a huge new residential development in the suburbs.
February 15, 2011 at 10:20 am
Eric Kirk
So if the proposed development is “smart growth” in name only, then what is the “Urban liberal” motivation for supporting it? Are they selling out or just naive?
February 15, 2011 at 10:21 am
Eric Kirk
A conservative is a liberal who pays taxes.
I heard a good one some months ago, I think more in response to the old saying that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. “A liberal is a conservative who’s been arrested.”
February 15, 2011 at 10:26 am
tra
I suspect that certain interests don’t want people thinking it through and hearing Pete Seeger’s voice in the background singing “which side are you on?”
I love Pete Seeger, but the question “which side are you on” assumes that there are only two “sides,” and that one of those “sides” is clearly right, and the other “side” is clearly wrong.
When one “side” engages in wildly-inflated hyperbole about how Humboldt is on the verge of losing it’s rural character to massive Santa Rosa-style residential development, while the other “side” paiints darkly paranoid visions of eveyone being forced out of the countryside and into urban slums, then I think the question of “which side are you on” invites the answer, “neither.”
February 15, 2011 at 10:36 am
tra
So if the proposed development is “smart growth” in name only, then what is the “Urban liberal” motivation for supporting it? Are they selling out or just naive?
I would assume that there is some of each at work there. For some folks, they don’t look much past the “smart growth” label, and are glad to ba able to be “for” some kind of development.
For others, they may realize that this particular project is not what most people would consider “smart growth,’ but they still think it’s better to have 1,400 residences concentrated in this kind of suburban planned development than to have the equivalent number of new residences scattered around the rural parts of the county. Of course the most likely outcome is that, for better or for worse, we will end up with both.
February 15, 2011 at 10:52 am
Eric Kirk
Or maybe they think that while any project is imperfect from an environmental/smart growth point of view, they think that this one is better in the details and represents a vision of development which might actually improve the county.
People do want to live in this very desirable county and we do have to build something. I haven’t really looked at the project, but I’m hearing about green spaces, access to public transportation, etc. Maybe they have it wrong, but it doesn’t seem to be generating much opposition from the environmental set who would be most impacted (since they live in the area). So is it also a possibility that some of the left wing of HumCPR were looking to criticize the project so that they could maintain credibility, and found that they are on the wrong side of that one as well? Just asking.
February 15, 2011 at 11:16 am
Joe Blow
It’s so rude to come to someone’s house and then insult them. Where does all this animosity towards Erik come from?
It’s also just as RUDE to invite someone to your house and then use their presence to INSULT THEM.
“Where does all the animosity” come from? Directly from Eric’s “in-your-face” hypocrisy, that’s where.
February 15, 2011 at 11:33 am
tra
A conservative is a liberal who pays taxes.
A conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged.
A liberal is a conservative who’s been arrested.
Perhaps more to the point, locally, is this one:
“A libertarian is just an anarchist who has aquired real estate.”
The point of all four is really the same: That, in general, people tend to adjust their ideologies to reflect their perceived self-interest, and that this perceived self-interest can change as we have different experiences and find ourselves in different situations. There is, of course, some truth to all of that.
But of course many of us have multiple experiences, some of them with potentially contradictory ideological effects, and (if we’re not too sheltered in a bubble of like-minded, similarly-situated friends and aquaintances) we also talk with plenty of other people, who have also had a range of experiences and are in a range of different social and economic situations.
Some folks have been unjustly arrested or otherwise hassled by law enforcement, while also being a taxpaying landowner. We may have been mugged on one occasion (or know someone who has been) and subjected to police brutality on another occasion. We’ve met people who are clearly abusing social service programs, as well as others for whom more generous social service programs are sorely needed. We’ve seen weak and/or industry-dominated regulatory regimes allow rapacious corporate criminals to destroy huge swaths of habitat for short-term profit, and we’ve also seen millions of taxpayer dollars wasted on armies of bureaucrats sent to enforce what most people would consider pretty minor violations.
Objective reality has the annoying habit of often failing to conform fully to one ideology or another. In my opinion, to respond rationally, one has to try to maintain an open mind and consider most issues one-by-one. Of course this approach requires more mental effort and greater uncertainty than simply picking one ideological “team” and accepting their dogma on most or all issues.
Basically I think that this country would benefit if there were more Free Thinkers and fewer True Believers.
February 15, 2011 at 11:47 am
Eric Kirk
TRA – all good points, but what I would really like to see is someone who takes a position outside his or her bubble which is not rooted in self-interest.
And the question is whether the self-interest, human nature, and change in social milieu does more than just open one up to new views, but also causes them to lose touch with the people and ideas they have left. Positive synthesis, or cognitive dissonance? You tell me.
February 15, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Joe Blow
Eric, Basically I think that this country would benefit if there were more Free Thinkers and fewer True Believers.
TRA – all good points, but what I would really like to see is someone who takes a position outside his or her bubble which is not rooted in self-interest.
That right there is what I’m talking about – Insulting and rude – In-your-face HYPOCRISY!
TOTALLY DEVOID OF ANY REALITY . . .
February 15, 2011 at 1:07 pm
tra
Or maybe they think that while any project is imperfect from an environmental/smart growth point of view, they think that this one is better in the details and represents a vision of development which might actually improve the county.
I’m sure that some folks that have looked closely at the project DO feel that way, they genuinely believe that this is the best way to accomodate new housing, or at least the best of what is being offered by actual developers. Others haven’t looked at it very closely, but they like the concept of “smart growth” and have heard about the “smart growth features” but little else. Personally, in my admittedly non-expert but (I think) reasonably well-informed opinion, this project is NOT a good example of the “smart-growth” concept, the smart-growth features are largely window-dressing, and the developer has cleverly used buzzwords like “smart-growth,” “mixed-use” etc., to promote a project that will maximize their profit-per-acre in what will end up as essentially just another typical 1,400 unit corporate-designed suburban subdivision ten miles outside of town, not much different from the kind of generic sprawlsville that can be found at the outskirts of urban areas all around the country. (It can be argued, of course, that Cutten and Riidgewood are already headed in that direction, so what’s the big deal…but I find that argument to be rather depressing and defeatist). While it’s true that “any project is imperfect from an environmental / smart growth point of view,” some are more imperfect than others, and IMHO this is one of them.
People do want to live in this very desirable county and we do have to build something.
Well yes, but based on the actual figures on population growth, not that many people actually are moving here, and quite a few are leaving every year as well. So, yes, we do have housing needs, and there will likely continue to be some market for new construction, but it’s not exactly a flood of development, more like a trickle. Now of course a trickle can eventually end up as a pond or lake, but clearly we’ve got quite a bit of time to find an approach that makes sense for Humboldt.
I haven’t really looked at the project, but I’m hearing about green spaces, access to public transportation, etc.
I’m hearing that many of the “green spaces” are the steep, unbuildable parts of the property. In other words they are promising to not build on land they couln’t build on anyway, and then getting you to thank them for that.
Yes, there will be access to bus transportation (and hopefully enough ridership to support it), and a commercial strip mall so that groceries and sundries might be purchased nearby — nonetheless, there will still be thousands of additional car-trips every day on the already-somewhat-congested City and County roads leading in and out of there. I don’t live there, but for those who do, I can understand why some of them aren’t too thrilled at the prospect of the additional traffic burden to their neighborhood.
Complicating the picture is the fact that this paricular piece of land has long been slated for residential development, so the choice that is presented is between a smaller number of larger lots, developed a few at a time, or this one big planned development with more units packed in more tightly, and the “smart growth features” as a sweetener. I haven’t heard of any strategy to prevent the regular sort of lot-by-lot development from happening, so at this point it seems that the assumption is that one way or the other, this area of timberland is eventually going to be converted to some sort of residential use.
… it doesn’t seem to be generating much opposition from the environmental set who would be most impacted (since they live in the area).
Ummm, I’m not sure that Cutten and Ridgewood are especially known for the presence of lots of members of the “environmental set.” But I agree that there hasn’t been a lot of vocal oppostion from an envirnonmentall standpoint. (Most of the opposition I’ve heard about seems to be coming from more of neighborhood property values / traffic point of view, as well as from the City of Eureka, which has concerns about unfunded impacts on nearby City streets and losing in-town retail sales to this unincorporated areas.) Of course this may be in part related to the assumption that the choices for that land are limited to one kind of residential development or another. In other words, if it was a choice between 1,400 residential units versus zero residential units, with the forest being parkland or a community forest or even just remaining as industrial timberlands, the environmental community would be up in arms about the habitat destruction that this project will involve. But having conceded that the land will be developed one way or the other, some folks hope that packing more units onto that already-sacrificed land may reduce the development pressure on other land that has not yet been officially ceded to future residential development. I understand that argument, but I can also understand how it may not be very persuasive to those already living near this sacrifice zone.
So is it also a possibility that some of the left wing of HumCPR were looking to criticize the project so that they could maintain credibility, and found that they are on the wrong side of that one as well? Just asking.
I suppose that’s possible, but you’d have to ask some of those “left wing of HumCPR” people. I’m not a member of the group or in touch with its leaders. I was as surprised to see HumCPR folks opposiing this project as I was to see Healthy Humoldt folks supporting it.
February 15, 2011 at 1:49 pm
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TRA – all good points, but what I would really like to see is someone who takes a position outside his or her bubble which is not rooted in self-interest.
Well, I burst out of my original bubble long ago, and I’ve advocated for things that were against my own personal self-interest quite a few times over the years….but of course since I’m just an anonymous commenter here, you’re just gonna have to take my word on that (or not).
But seriously, I do agree. Self-interest can only takes us so far, the collective effects of each person or family or community or nation acting only in its own self-interest does not always add up to the best outcome. Sometimes we must sacrifice our self-interest for the greater good. The more that this can be accomplished through persuasion and voluntary cooperation, people leading by example and sharing the needed sacrifices, the better it works for everyone.
And the question is whether the self-interest, human nature, and change in social milieu does more than just open one up to new views, but also causes them to lose touch with the people and ideas they have left. Positive synthesis, or cognitive dissonance? You tell me.
Probably some of each.
But if we’re talking specifically about Humboldt “hippies” and “rednecks” (broadly defined) I actually think the prognosis is pretty good. I guess there’s always some degree to which people lose touch with their roots as they engage with others whose roots are different, but overall I think we’re seeing a beneficial cross-pollination. The crossing of these two subcultures, along with the collision and overlap between both of these and mainstream American culture, is all part of what makes Humboldt such an interesting and hopeful place to live at this time. Messy at times, but interesting and full of potential.
February 17, 2011 at 12:08 pm
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