An article long overdue which explores some of the misunderstandings of the project and the strengths and weaknesses of both sides of the argument. The whole thing is worth a read, but this portion stick out to me.
In response to a question about corporate stores that are already here, EPIC’s reply was, “Your mention of existing big-box stores with their own fleets of trucks establishes that the STAA designation is not necessary.” But not necessary for whom? If the big boxes don’t need STAA access to be here, how can providing that access be the cause of their coming here? The argument seems to be circular and self-defeating. It is, of course, “necessary” for Caltrans to be in compliance with federal law — a fact that was curiously ignored at the Feb. 24 forum.
In next week’s installment of the story, Cristina explores some of the claims about business needs regarding the project, and I hope she has helped to clear up conflicting claims about whom would benefit the most – big boxes or small business.
At the end of this first installment Cristina mentions that EPIC intends to file suit on the inadequacies of the DEIR, and it does seem like there are plenty of omissions to justify criticism. But if compliance with federal law is the issue, wouldn’t such a lawsuit simply being forestalling the inevitable? By focusing on the DEIR rather than any explicit violations of law in the project itself, they are leaving out a key defendant in the federal government, and fundamentally whether the STAA-accommodation requirements violate federal environmental regulations. If not, then it seems like this project is inevitable in some form.
On another point, the article confirms my take on the development issue. While I remain agnostic on many of the issues, the whole “maintain the bottleneck to prevent development” approach is misguided. Development is controlled by smart growth policies. If we don’t want a big box in Eureka, or Fortuna, we push for ordinances which restrict that development, and we oppose variances such as those being sought for the Marina Center. To the controlled growth issue, this one seems like a distraction.
The comments attached to the article raise some good points and some lame ones, but it’s the kind of discussion we need. Like I said in a previous post, I wish someone would organize a panel debate in lieu of the one-sided pep rallies all sides organize to pump up their own positions and do little to address the nuances and factual disputes. It should be easy to confirm whether Randy Gans is telling the truth about lobbying, since everything should be public record. Or whether the Crescent City Home Depot takes in STAA deliveries from the north. And I would like to see some detailed botanical analysis as to the potential danger to the roadside old growth due to the compromising of the root structures with an air spade, hot asphalt, etc. It seems that all sides are charged up with big opinions while lacking crucial information.
And thank you again Cristina and NCJ!

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April 10, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Kym
Cristina did a wonderful job and I’m looking forward to more information.
As you know, I believe that Richardsons Grove should be widened. But, to answer one of your requests for clarification, Mr. Gans is probably not completely correct in saying that Crescent City Big Box stores are not being serviced by STAA trucks. There is no bottle neck North of Crescent City preventing STAA trucks from traveling there.
In fact, STAA trucks coming from the north can go as far south as Benbow. The problem is that trucks coming from the south are stopped from coming further north than Richardsons Grove. So any supplies that Home Depot etc. need that come from the north can travel via STAA trucks. Supplies coming from the south to Crescent City though may not be carried in the longer vehicles.
April 10, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Eric Kirk
Thank you Kym. But just because they can be STAA ready, doesn’t mean they are. When was Crescent City’s built?
Also, someone at the EPIC forum in Garberville said that there’s a bottleneck at the Broadway/5th corner in Eureka. But someone on my previous thread said that’s false. Kind of curious about that.
April 10, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Cristina
Broadway and 5th is STAA legal.
April 10, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Anonymous
What is the federal law which requires roads to be STAA accessible?
April 10, 2010 at 6:27 pm
ANONYMOUS #1
I agree that this argument that the community can somehow stop the future configuration of our community by stopping these larger truck at Richardson Grove is a misguided and provincial view.
The more than likely mode of transportation in and out of this county is not trucks but rather a light rail for people and goods. It will be right up the 101 corridor as the original railroad builders back in the early 1900′s originally envisioned. Heavier cargo can come in by ship or barge, sail or other powered. Rail is phenomenally environmentally and financially the preferred method of the future.
Back to the grove. Leave it alone. Stop most traffic from going through it. Move the road across the river as Cal Trans long ago planned and already has the engineering plan for doing. Add the railroad right of way next to the road across the river. This plan leaves out two river crossings that now have to be dealt with with the current route. Save the Redwoods. Think ahead.
April 10, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Joe Blow
Highway 199 restricts truck traffic.
April 10, 2010 at 8:18 pm
Cristina
Caltrans chucked out the plan in 2000 because it wasn’t feasible – $300 to $600 million, with at least two bridges going across the Eel.
The STAA IS the federal law that mandates “reasonable access” on “national networks,” which are interstates, and “terminal access routes,” which are principal arterial routes that lead to population centers (i.e., 101).
April 10, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Ben
I am so pleased to see an article which gives us the straight scoop on this project. Well done, Cristina!
April 10, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Scott LaMorte
Interesting article. If I read this correctly, the current road *does not* stop longer trailers from coming through. Instead, it requires a $1000 tractor swap. Essentially the current roads imposes an extra $1000 fee to the cost of shipping in a long trailer.
If the road is widened, this fee will be removed. The same exact trailers will come through without having to stop and swap tractors.
Does anyone have any estimates on what it costs to move a full trailer from, say, port of Oakland to Eureka? Using Google and some guesswork I get 26¢ per ton-mile * 275 miles * 40 tons full trailer = $2,860. However, mountain roads and lower speed limits increase shipping costs, so I’m going to guess a full trailer costs $3,000-$3,500 to ship from Oakland to Eureka. So the Richardson Grove tax comes to maybe 30% for a full load, and maybe 50% for a half-weight load.
Who is paying this tax? Well, if you are a small business and only ordering a few pallets of something, it would get loaded by a general freight carrier like Roadway or Viking, and they probably know the local roads and pack a right-sized trailer. However if you are ordering whole trailers full of something, and that trailer gets loaded somewhere far away without consideration of local road conditions, then I could see you getting stuck with a STAA rig and needing to swap trailers.
Regarding the big box argument, I could make a case that the current system does not *stop* big box development, obviously because some big boxes exist. However, I can see it being argued that the Richardson Grove shipping tax decreases big box profitability and that removing the tax would increase profits and growth.
Please correct me if my assumptions are wrong.
April 10, 2010 at 9:53 pm
dheimstadt
“At the end of this first installment Cristina mentions that EPIC intends to file suit on the inadequacies of the DEIR, and it does seem like there are plenty of omissions to justify criticism. But if compliance with federal law is the issue, wouldn’t such a lawsuit simply being forestalling the inevitable? By focusing on the DEIR rather than any explicit violations of law in the project itself, they are leaving out a key defendant in the federal government, and fundamentally whether the STAA-accommodation requirements violate federal environmental regulations. If not, then it seems like this project is inevitable in some form.”
I had a similar reaction to EPIC’s legal approach. I know nothing about law, but filing a claim on the DEIR’s deficiencies seems appropriate only in a situation where EPIC supported the overall project, just not as is and/or without further research. But EPIC definitely doesn’t support the project, so why go this route?
April 10, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Home Improvement stores
Yeah filing a claim on epic would be good…
April 11, 2010 at 1:20 am
Matt
I agree with you Eric – the “bottleneck to bigbox growth” is a dumb argument. A person should be for or against the widening of the highway through Richardson’s grove on its own merits. The big box growth thing is an entirely different can of worms. It may be somewhat intertwined with Richardson’s Grove, but ultimately these issues should both be considered independently.
April 11, 2010 at 6:45 am
Steak 'n Eggs
Perhaps to win in court and get paid legal expenses. Is this not what these types of groups commonly do?
I would sure like to know”the inadequacies of the DEIR”.
April 11, 2010 at 7:16 am
Anonymous
I would sure like to know”the inadequacies of the DEIR”.
Start by reading the article.
April 11, 2010 at 9:04 am
ANONYMOUS #1
The route across the river would not need two bridges as it is on the same side (east) of the river as the road north and south of Richardson Grove. Cal Trans made a money argument against the east side of the river option but that is all. Where will the inevitable future light rail go? Cut more trees? You cannot run a major highway through the Grove and expect these irreplaceable trees to not be heavily impacted.
April 11, 2010 at 9:26 am
Cristina
Scott, you’re correct in your assumptions, except that it’s the tractors that get switched (not the trailers!), in order to meet the length requirement. A conventional tractor with a sleeper unit, attached to a 53-foot trailer, exceeds the length limit of 65 feet for a single-trailer truck. So the tractor is switched for either a conventional model without a sleeper, or a snub-nosed model (the cab-overs, where the cab sits over the engine) – which, with or without a sleeper unit, is 12 feet or less in length.
There are local companies that keep a day cab for the specific purpose of getting truckers through the grove. At Redwood Towing in Redway, the posted rate for the service is a $375 flat fee for the first two-and-a-half hours, and after that, the cost is $125 per hour.
April 11, 2010 at 9:41 am
Cristina
Oops. Sorry, Scott! You have “swap tractors” at the top of your comments, and “swap trailers” later on. I only noted the latter when I responded.
April 11, 2010 at 9:55 am
Cristina
Oh, crap, one more thing: what the local companies use could be a conventional tractor with a day cab, OR a snub-nosed model with or without a sleeper. Not that you’d need a sleeper just to get through the grove!
April 11, 2010 at 12:21 pm
blacklisted2
So widening Richardson Grove, on it’s own merit. These trees have existed in this “balance” for a long time now. Changing THIS “balance” will destroy. People/tourists drive through the grove slowly, for the majesty of the area. Is the little bit of supposed “savings” that businesses will get, worth the chance of killing those old growth Redwoods? Any change that looks “contrived”, is well, just that, contrived. NOT NATURAL, Richardson Grove should have a historic heritage name tag, and value.
April 11, 2010 at 12:57 pm
ED Denson
Three things:
If it costs $1000 per truck to move the biggies cargo through the grove, and if it costs $600 million to build a by-pass, then 60,000 trucks travelling on the by-pass will pay for it. How many trucks will be able to drive through the wider 101 in the grove in a year? 10? 100? 1000? (3 a day?), 10,000 (30 a day). Is the by-pass ecomonically justifiable in terms of these trucks?
I oppose cutting any of the redwoods, and favor the by-pass as safer for traffic, and more ecologically sound, however the truck math works out.
Of course getting the railroad back in service might do away with the entire freight truck problem. Stats in ads suggest that it is a lot more fuel efficient to move freight on railroads than on trucks. Is this not true?
April 11, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Fred Mangels
Stats in ads suggest that it is a lot more fuel efficient to move freight on railroads than on trucks. Is this not true?
Probably not up here where you’d have to spend millions each year just to keep the rail lines open.
April 11, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Jeff Muskrat
Gosh Christina!
You practically wrote the article by taking soundbites and other blips from Save Richardson Grove coalition out of context and without actually talking to anyone from SRG. Your apparent bias in support of the project is NOT what I would call objective journalism. In fact, you basically created the article to fit Caltrans PR agenda to promote the project.
I expect nothing less from the NCJ. Hank Sims attacked the NEC after the Save Richardson Grove radio ads on KMUD. I suppose that the NEC is no longer supposed to advocate for the environment?
Now EPIC is under fire from the NCJ for it’s stance against the project? The RIP DEIR is inadequate, lacking both science and surveys. The RIP DEIR is also hypocritical in stating that the project may have detrimental effects to the grove, and then stating it will not.
Why is the NCJ opposed to environmental groups that are working to protect our beloved Redwood Curtain? The Center for Biological Diversity is strongly opposed to the project as well. Are you going to paint the CBD as “alarmists” for taking a stance against this destructive and unnecessary project? Who is pulling the puppet strings over there at the NCJ anyway? Hank Sims?
If this was intended to be a balanced article, why did you fall so short?
Tell me, is it Christina Bauss?
Or Cristina “Biased”?
I hope you attempt to redeem your reputation as an ethical journalist in part two.
April 11, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Eric Kirk
Jeff – you obviously don’t know Cristina, nor did you read the article very carefully.
April 11, 2010 at 3:49 pm
capdiamont
Ha Ha, I was wondering how Jeff the paranoid would react. It was a well done article. Jeff wouldn’t be happy, unless it only used SRG website. Of course this shows Jeff’s reading comp skills.
April 11, 2010 at 4:44 pm
the reasonable anonymous
Sometimes the bias is in the eye of the beholder.
April 11, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Jeff Muskrat
If you liked the article Cap, then I’m sure it is a good litmus to judge the bias inherent in this article…
April 11, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Jeff Muskrat
“nor did you read the article very carefully.”
Do you really think that Erik, as I have read and re-read the article dozens of times? Or is that a slight, as in you actually saying I don’t “understand” or maybe “comprehend” the article?
I’m entitled to my own opinion regarding Richardson Grove and the NCJ hit piece, just as you are in your support of the RIP:
“What I’m not convinced of is that the project will have any serious environmental impact, either as far as the trees are concerned, or increased traffic. I certainly don’t believe that the project will turn 101 into another I-5. I remain agnostic as to whether small business or big business would be the primary beneficiaries of the larger trucks and associated reduction of costs due to offloading. ”
“Again, I lean for the straightening for reasons I’ve previously stated here.”
“I’ve said I lean in favor of the proposed widening project for reasons raised by small businesses and safety concerns which have come up in my own work.”
“On the second issue, I have some qualms about the opposition.”
“And besides, I don’t really link a short stretch of winding road to growth, and certainly not increases in traffic.”
“I recently posted that based on what I know I lean towards allowing for the widening of the road….subsequently received an email from the project opposition offering to send me some documentation which might change my mind. After trying to open them and failing they finally found a format my computer could work with several weeks ago. I have not yet reviewed them.”
“Like I said in a previous post, I wish someone would organize a panel debate in lieu of the one-sided pep rallies all sides organize to pump up their own positions and do little to address the nuances and factual disputes.”
“Jane – the issue is whether Headwaters money should be spent on a PR campaign to support one side of a controversial community issue…. Spending the money to convince the public to support a project doesn’t seem appropriate to me.” (Agreed)
“I hope the widening makes it safer.”
“While I remain agnostic on many of the issues, the whole “maintain the bottleneck to prevent development” approach is misguided.”
“As I’ve said, I’m not opposed to widening the road to allow for easier access for goods into and out of the county. ”
(All above quotes made by Eric Kirk)
My issue with the article is the lack of representation(as well as the misrepresentation) of Save Richardson Grove. Her previous article had much more balance(http://www.northcoastjournal.com/issues/2008/03/06/parting-redwood-curtain/) and I’m surprised at the lack of interaction with SRG from her in reporting this current story.
Cristina gave Kim Floyd and Randy Gans plenty of updated one-on-one press coverage, including some very unflattering photos of the project site(I wouldn’t be surprised if Caltrans planted those car parts, as I hike the area frequently).
But why no CURRENT interviews, with people such as Ken Miller, Barbara Kennedy or Kerul Dyer? Why the manipulation of soundbites and excerpts from SRG to fit project proponents arguments? Only one opponent of the
project (EPIC) was mentioned, all the other interviews were with
project proponents.
Erik, I completely understand your issues with the “bottleneck” as opposed to fighting corporate invasion with smart growth. You are preaching to the choir on this, as I feel that we all vote with our wallets. But please do not pretend that you are neutral on the RIP. Is Cristina also “neutral” on this issue? It would be hard to tell from this article.
(Cristina’s blog post from Ernie’s place regarding why there were no callers in support of the project during all things reconsidered)
“As I asked on my own blog: Where were you (and a couple of other people)?…I really appreciated all my callers – intelligent, well-spoken, and passionate – but no one called in who is in support of the project. I would have liked to have had some balance!”
Me too Cristina. I need some balance and I hope we see balance in the next issue.
In summation, there are multiple sides to this issue, as there are with any issue. And Cristina has(so far) failed her readers by not fairly representing SRG’s position in this article.
April 11, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Bruce Edwards
Well Eric and “Cap”, if you call interviewing only one party that is opposed to the project a well-done article, while several proponents were interviewed, then I question your ability to discern. And once again, for those of you who don’t understand, there is NOT a federal mandate. That is misinformation, period. Just as Caltrans has tried to use the safety issue as a general approach to win support, when all along their agenda is for allowing STAA trucks to pass through. so they have led some to believe that this project is required by law. The DOT clearly shows that is not the case. You know folks, this isn’t just about big trucks for many of us. That is what is being used by proponents as a way to make it look as if it would actually be better for the environment, saying that there would be less truck traffic. That has NEVER been the outcome of similar “Improvements”. It’s about the disruption and disturbance of OUR State Park in a way that is actually in violation of protocol and without attempting to find alternatives, and I don’t mean the bypass. We know the cost of that. Section 4 (f) of the Dept. of Transportation Act plainly bars the use of parklands for transportation projects absent exceptional circumstances, etc. If you go to http://www.calparks.org and read their letter to Caltrans dated March 12, 2009, it might help you see another side to the issue.
April 11, 2010 at 7:19 pm
Cristina
Well, Jeff, since you made the same comments you made over at the NCJ site, I’ll make the same comments here… and a few others.
I did not write that the project won’t have impacts on trees. I implied that it is unknown if it will.
I left two messages with EPIC while I was in Arcata and Eureka interviewing people. My calls weren’t returned; I assumed there was no one in the office. I e-mailed Sharon Duggan, who was sick. When it came down to the wire, I e-mailed both her and Scott Greacen. The responses I received came from Kerul Dyer, and it appeared to me that all three of them worked on them together. I quoted them in full.
I do understand that there are concerns about CTPB, among other things. My feeling is that Caltrans is taking a long time on the final EIR because they’re making it waterproof – but I certainly don’t think they’d tell me that in so many words. Hopefully, issues like that will be further addressed and/or rectified in the FEIR.
For the record, there’s a lot more that I wrote that was edited, not for content but for space. There’s only so much that you can fit in a newspaper. Among the things that were cut were an interview with a representative from the State Parks Foundation. Additionally, much of what project supporters said was slashed, and an entire section on the project history – including (note to Ed) why the bypass is out of the question – was deleted.
If Hank did indeed “[attack] the NEC after the Save Richardson Grove ads on KMUD,” that’s undoubtedly because KMUD is a non-profit, community radio station that receives CPB funding, and is therefore BARRED from airing commercials. Having programmers on expressing a point of view – say, during the Environment Show – is one thing. Accepting advertising is something else, and is a violation of federal law. And you can’t call it a PSA if it’s advocating a particular position. You’d be pretty pissed if Arkley aired a pro-development ad on the MUD, wouldn’t you?
You’re right, no living person knows how the trees were affected in 1915. The point is, they’re still standing. They’re alive. They haven’t fallen over. They’re apparently still thriving. I don’t understand how writing what project supporters have said makes me ignorant; after all, it’s my job to report what both sides are saying.
I have no idea what “one-on-one updated press coverage” is. I spoke to Randy Gans on the phone for 15 minutes. It was the first time I’d ever spoken to him, and we haven’t spoken since. Hell, I don’t even know what the man looks like. As for Kim Floyd, she’s the project manager. She’s the ONE person who’s most qualified to address it, from the Caltrans point of view. Your problem with this is…?
I found broken mirrors, RV steps, etc. all over the side of the road, especially in the project area – but not limited to it. I’ll let David know how unflattering you thought his photo was. Frankly, I think I look much worse in it than the project site does.
Whether it’s “destructive and unnecessary” is, at this point, purely a matter of opinion. Yours is strong and you’re certainly entitled to it.
Oh, and one more thing. I’m no one’s puppet – Hank’s or anyone else’s.
April 12, 2010 at 6:32 am
Barbara Kennedy
Christina … I do not doubt that you intended to present a balanced, objective article that showed the depth of your independent investigation into all the facts underlying this project. Unfortunately, Part I did not realize these objectives-perhaps through no fault of your own.
Part I was greatly unbalanced as all of the interviews except one were of project proponents – the only opponent interviewed was Kerul Dyer of EPIC and EPIC represents only one aspect of the opposition to this project.
These project proponents have always had the upper hand in shaping public opinion – they have the time and money to push their agenda at the expense of the public’s right to know.
An independent investigation of the misuse of the Headwaters Fund grant, the catering to select business interests to the detriment of other sectors of the business community, and the concerted effort to keep public dialog muted have all seemingly escaped your notice. Perhaps Part II will touch on these subjects. Check out the NCJ blog entries for some of the facts that should have been explored.
These blogs are not the place for true public discussion of these issues. We appealed to our elected representative, Clif Clendenen, to facilitate a dialog with the businesses affected – we wanted to sit down with their representatives and try to determine realistic alternatives to their transportation issues. Clif declined to play a role in facilitating such a discussion.
A further attempt to inject public participation was made when we learned of the HCAOG grant for the Regional Transportation Blueprint project which factors in public input. We argued to the Supervisors that a project of the magnitude of the Richardson Grove project should be halted until the Regional Transportation task force could be organized so that the project could be factored into the Regional Transportation Blueprint.
Again, we received no substantive response and yes, I realize that the Supervisors have no direct control over CALTRANS but then again, they were the ones who sent letters of approval for the project in September, 2008 in an obscure “Consent Calendar” item of the Board agenda. Another clever ploy to keep this project under the public radar.
We then appealed to Clif and all the Supervisors for a place on the agenda of the Board to give a formal presentation of issues that concerned us as a result of our research. We were ignored.
The entire public comment process engaged in by CALTRANS was highly truncated to deny the public a fair opportunity to comment. If you recall, the DEIR was issued on December 8, 2008 and the one and only public hearing was held on December 15, 2008 at the River Lodge in Fortuna conveniently in a winter storm only days before the start of the holiday season when many locals leave town. Coincidence?
In addition to this, CALTRANS published the deadline for written comments as January 30, 2009, further truncating the public’s time to comment – because it was later discovered that CALTRANS had neglected to post the DEIR to the CEQA database which meant that the comment period had to be extended to March 30, 2009 – however, by the time that all came to light, most of the written comments had been rushed in and folks were on to other endeavors.
In an effort to raise public awareness of the many issues of concern surrounding this project, letters to the editor, opinion pieces, radio ads (NOT on KMUD obviously – try KINS instead) and finally two forums (not pep rallies, thanks) were undertaken at great expenditure of individuals’ personal time and monetary resources. Unfortunately, we were way overspent and out shouted by the combined power of a monster bureaucracy, unresponsive elected officials and other big money interests i.e. Sunshine Humboldt for one.
Therefore, our hope was resting with our journalists – historically an avenue to raise public awareness of issues that the powers-that-be would rather not have discussed. The Times-Standard has had not one word of actual reportage on an issue that you would think would have crossed their radar. We knew the NCJ was aware of the issue because Hank Sims has made several snide and depreciating remarks about the opposition although he did mention the Headwaters Fund fiasco in an aside. However, we were expecting a more balanced, objective and better expose of all the facts than Part I has delivered.
Again, this might not be totally under your control, Christina, but I for one cannot join in lavishing praise on what has been the result.
April 12, 2010 at 8:14 am
Dave Kirby
Excellent article C.B. ! All lot of good information. If the local anti bigbox crowd really want to protect the local economy they will have to restrict the internet much as China has done. Amazon, Overstock, Cabelas et al employ no one at any wage locally. They also do not pay one dime in local taxes….Down with E Commerce! All hail the local Ludites!!!!
April 12, 2010 at 8:23 am
Anonymous
Eric, any chance you’re going to cover the upcoming televised DA debate in Arcata?
April 12, 2010 at 10:50 am
Reporta
I think you brought up a good point Eric, a point I too considered when reading the article. Widening Richardson Grove isn’t going to somehow usher in a tidal wave of Big Box stores into the area. There is still a public process that any business has to go through before they can construct a store of “big box” magnitude. Those arguments are just fear-mongering at the least.
April 12, 2010 at 11:07 am
Eric Kirk
Eric, any chance you’re going to cover the upcoming televised DA debate in Arcata?
Oh yes.
April 12, 2010 at 11:43 am
Eric Kirk
Reporta – one of the biggest ironies of this whole debate is that there is evidence that the straightening could actually mitigate the competitive disadvantage small businesses face against big boxes. The opposition dismisses the argument a little too casually IMO.
Jeff – yes, I do lean in favor of the project, though I have a slew of questions I would need answered before I made up my mind. However, a concern of mine is that this whole debate and the way it’s gone is going to reinforce stereotypes of environmental activists as perennial knee-jerk nay sayers, and in light of the economy and the rush of Humboldt County towards a retirement community from which families are leaving, then I place the burden on the opposition to demonstrate precisely how the project will be destructive to the environment or the community. So far, the only tangible arguments are that the damage to roots of trees might compromise their health and the proposed retaining wall might not be aesthetically pleasing. That’s not enough for me, although I would like clearer answers about on the roots issue. The suggestion the project will usher in tract housing and big box development and convert Humboldt County to another Orange County or Redding just seems a bit hysterical to me.
This is all particularly ironic as some of the strongest opponents of the project oppose the smart growth measures which are proposed in the GPU, particularly when it comes to the problems of unregulated rural development. It hits me as yet another hypocritical finger wagging premised on the notion that we are all “stewards of the land” and therefor environmental regulations should only apply to everyone else – and rigorously so.
April 12, 2010 at 11:50 am
Eric Kirk
One last thought. I have great respect for Dr. Ken Miller’s commitment to social and environmental issues. He goes out on a limb and he’s been personally attacked, often viciously, for doing so.
But I do take issue with his take on Cypress Grove’s support for the project, which I reduce to: “It doesn’t matter of CG has to charge an extra dollar for the cheese. Those city slickers are suckers with all the money in the world and they’ll pay whatever CG charges.”
I know he would vehemently object to the tone of my characterization, but that’s how I read it. And what if CG wants the cheese to be more affordable to working people, instead of just well-to-do Marin County residents?
I look forward to Cristina’s work in the next issue where she explores some of the small business concerns.
April 12, 2010 at 11:56 am
Jeff Muskrat
Eric Kirk says:
“I place the burden on the opposition to demonstrate precisely how the project will be destructive to the environment or the community.”
The burden of proof regarding the destructiveness of this project to the environment and community is on the people(State of California).
You are an attorney, Erik. I thought you would know this…
April 12, 2010 at 12:15 pm
the reasonable anonymous
When people are reduced to arguing that the other side has the burden of proof, that suggests to me that they aren’t real confident in their own ability to carry that burden.
April 12, 2010 at 1:16 pm
the reasonable anonymous
Of course the question of who has the “burden of proof” IS critical in court, and in administrative proceedings. But in public discussion and in the “court of public opinion” everyone has the same burden of proof: they are trying to persuade the audience (the general public).
Better to make your own argument rather than trying to convince the audience that you’re not supposed to have to make an argument, because the burden of proof is on the other side. That may be a valid argument in a court of law, but it’s a losing argument in the court of public opinion.
April 12, 2010 at 1:18 pm
annnonymoose
When i was in Santa Rosa and Berkeley recently I noticed that Cypress Hill Humboldt Fog and their Chevre was cheaper than I can get it in Eureka. Why then does transportation get blamed for higher costs? It seems that retailers who have a higher volume of business are able to charge less for the same product despite the transportation costs. I am opposed to widening the road in Richardson Grove State Park because of inadequate studies on the effects to trees. The trucking industry has been given way too much in hidden subsidies from our highway tax dollars to the detriment of other forms of transportation ( shipping by sea or rail). I know that the local railroad is impossible but shipping on barges seems like a good place for some of this money to go helping to alleviate the crowding on the highways.
Move the roadway to the east, put in traffic lights that could be activated when too long trucks enter the grove and just slow down.
What happens down the line when fuel prices get so high that trucking is no longer a viable shipping method. We are still stuck with a widened roadway in a Redwood grove.
April 12, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Jeff Muskrat
Eric Kirk says:
“But I do take issue with his take on Cypress Grove’s support for the project, which I reduce to: “It doesn’t matter of CG has to charge an extra dollar for the cheese. Those city slickers are suckers with all the money in the world and they’ll pay whatever CG charges.””
Is this a quote by Ken Miller or are you speaking for him?
April 12, 2010 at 1:53 pm
the reasonable anonymous
Jeff,
I think Eric made it pretty clear that this was not a direct quote, but a pretty loose paraphrasing.
Now it’s true that the use of quotation marks in such cases CAN be misleading, since, quotation marks usually imply that someone is being quoted.
But in this case, Eric’s use of the phrases “which I reduce to” (your hint that a paraphrasing follows), and “I know he would vehemently object to my characterization” (your hint that a pretty loose paraphrasing just happened) should have made the answer to your question rather obvious: He was paraphrasing Ken Miller, not quoting him directly, and anyone with reasonably good reading comprehension skills and without a big chip on their shoulder should have have been able to discern this.
April 12, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Jeff Muskrat
Cristina said: “Well, Jeff, since you made the same comments you made over at the NCJ site, I’ll make the same comments here… and a few others.”
Thank you Cristina. I will as well.
In the beginning of this article, Cristina, you draw a time line comparison between MAXXAM and Cypress Grove as you frame your article as to “the direction of the local environmental movement in the post-Hurwitz era.”
Your “implication” of EPIC’s new “role” in going after Cypress Grove is completely disjointed, if not disturbing. What exactly were you trying to say in that comparison anyway? Can we get a direct response, instead of your “implication”?
1. Cristina Bauss: Yesterday, 8:02 “For the record, there’s a lot more that I wrote that was edited, not for content but for space. There’s only so much that you can fit in a newspaper. ”
You obviously fit multiple Caltrans spokespersons, even Randy Gans into the article. And let’s not forget all of the Caltrans photos. Did you forget to shoot(or even mention) either of the two EPIC billboards SRG? How about the very large turnout of support at both community forums?
If it wasn’t Hank pulling the strings, then was it your deadline that made it possible to ignore individual opponents stances and their focus for their concerns, such as Ken Miller’s expertise on STAA trucking and alternatives to the project, Hawk Rosales and Intertribal’s issues with the project site or Jeff Hedin’s concerns about safety impacts to his fire district?
For such an important article to your readers, why wouldn’t you try to include all aspects of the opposition? Did you spend enough time doing your research or is your bias caused by something else?
1. Cristina Bauss: Yesterday, 8:02 p.m. “I did not write that the project won’t have impacts on trees. I implied that it is unknown if it will.”
Instead of “implying” that it is unknown, why don’t you directly say it? The article would be much less confusing and sound more “fair” and “balanced”(a Fox news comparison that I don’t enjoy making).
I don’t have anything against you Cristina(or even Hank Sims), personally.
We both share a lot of the same circles of friends and probably have a lot of the same values. And regardless of your stance on RG, I’d hope that you would understand that this is “business”, both literally and figuratively.
I’d hope that Hank or Cristina would let me buy them a beer, shake their hand and even thank them for what they bring to our community, maybe even give them a hug if they wanted to. I’m really not as combative in person as I am online, I prefer to avoid conflict unless it comes down to it. But I’m no pushover…
So please excuse my tone, but this is a very important issue for myself as it is for a lot of Humboldt county residents.
There should be no confusion in my passion for the Earth, as in my opinions being alleged “personal” attacks in responses to these NCJ articles(that are obviously directed to sway public opinion about these controversial issues). I have every right to voice my opinion about the article and question the intentions of the author(s).
So if you put yourself out there to take on such an issue as Richardson Grove and you fail to represent the issue fairly, you are a biased journalist and you should expect criticism from one side as well as praise from the other.
Just as we have here.
But if you purposefully manipulate the information to fit an agenda by integrating unrelated analogies, soundbites from the past, and quotes taken out of context, than you are an unethical journalist.
I can only hope that you realize that there are more important things in life than compromising your ethics. Maybe you feel you didn’t Cristina, but by this article it’s very easy to make that assumption. Again, I hope that you validate your credibility by examining both sides more fairly in part II.
April 12, 2010 at 2:53 pm
the reasonable anonymous
“There should be no confusion in my passion for the Earth”
I don’t think there’s any confusion about that, Jeff. The problem is your use of personal attacks, exaggeration, hyperbole and melodramatic sermonizing like:
“I can only hope that you realize that there are more important things in life than compromising your ethics.”
Wow, how incisive. Next thing you know, you’ll be reminding us that the earth is round and the sun sets in the west. Thank heavens you’re here to help us understand these things.
April 12, 2010 at 2:57 pm
the reasonable anonymous
“…it’s very easy to make that assumption.”
It’s always easy to make assumptions.
April 12, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Eric Kirk
Is this a quote by Ken Miller or are you speaking for him?
It wasn’t clear from my post? Because I don’t know how to make it any clearer.
In any case, he did say at the Garberville forum that people in the Bay Area will pay the extra dollar because the difference makes no difference in their willingness to buy it. I found that statement fascinating.
The burden of proof regarding the destructiveness of this project to the environment and community is on the people(State of California).
You are an attorney, Erik. I thought you would know this…
I wasn’t talking about the law. but I guess I shouldn’t have used a legal phrase. It’s allowed you to avoid responding to my point, or perhaps even see it.
In any case, I do believe this whole dynamic has been an example of what gives environmentalists a bad name. For one thing, months later, I’m not even clear on what would satisfy the opposition other than complete abandonment of the proposal. But if I’m wrong, perhaps you can tell me otherwise. What would satisfy you such that you would remove your opposition to the proposal?
April 12, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Jeff Muskrat
“I do believe this whole dynamic has been an example of what gives environmentalists a bad name.”
What dynamic? I’m not now(and not ever) speaking for the group. I’m also very flattered Erik, but I’m also not speaking for all “environmentalists.
I’m speaking for myself. I’m not claiming to be a part of anyone or anything. I simply have interests in this issue.
“What would satisfy you such that you would remove your opposition to the proposal?”
I thought you knew me, Erik…
What else would satisfy my personal priority in my opposition to this project? (And forgive my “melodramatic” passion on this subject Erik, I just hope you can empathize where I’m coming from and what my concerns have always been…)
Less than 3% remains of our ancient forests. Trees like this are extremely rare, especially in comparison to what used to exist in our biosphere. This is OUR State Park and the gateway to the redwoods, the “Redwood Curtain”. People from all over the planet come to see our trees because that is what the Redwood Coast is known for. People also see the Avenue of the Giants and the dead tops.
If there should be a study done on coast redwood root systems, maybe it should be done on the sections of dying redwoods along the Avenue of the Giants. The DPW(now Caltrans) didn’t know it was killing those trees when they diverted the ground surface water into culverts for the current four lane of the highway.
How does the Caltrans of today know that the RIP won’t kill or harm the ancient trees within Richardson Grove State Park? They obviously don’t, even by their own admittance. If Caltrans conducted their own studies, do you think that they would be unbiased and credible?
If you read an article claiming to report BOTH sides as with the strange cover containing a truck and tree duking it out between the “older?” and “younger?” humboldt generations involved with the Richardson Grove issue and you saw only photos from/of Caltrans, as well as a majority of quotes from Caltrans as well, wouldn’t you think the article was biased, and not credible? (I’m still not sure what the cover is supposed to mean. All I can say is that it sure gives me a funny feeling
My own personal stance?
Leave the trees alone.
No cut.
No build.
No compromise.
But maybe YES to a less expensive and more suiting alternative. Like the way things should have been, at least in a world where we would like to believe that these agencies have the public’s best interests in mind.
Everything else for me in regards to the various reasons for my opposition towards this project is all a part of the bigger picture:
http://www.times-standard.com/ci_12384995?IADID=Search-www.times-standard.com-www.times-standard.com
If I had one wish, it would be for Caltrans to use technology to save these ancient trees and solve this issue. Technology to save Caltrans from itself, in regards to excessive spending. Imagine how much money could have been saved by something similar to the radar enforcement signs on the Big Lagoon curves. Millions!
This needs to happen in Richardson Grove State Park, regardless. If this project is about safety, LESS curves will only increase reckless speeding through the Park, would it not? An as a bicyclist, why is it up to the bankrupted State Parks to build a bike lane?(from RIP DEIR) (Caltrans IS kicking the park down some trash(not cash) can lids to mitigate the wildlife issues.(Also from RIP DEIR))
As far as a “watertight” FEIR, I highly doubt that Caltrans will mitigate the massive amount of issues with the environment, necessity and most importantly the location of the project.
Again, I’m not speaking for the group, but I feel the SRGC is made up of a lot of extraordinary, brilliant and diverse individuals who also have their own diverse reasons in their interests of seeing Richardson Grove unharmed. These people are great assets to the community and they are your neighbors. If you read the multitude of op/eds in the NCJ, the Times-Standard, Redwood Times, The Independent, etc., you will find that a large amount of residents oppose the project. The community forums are also very good indicator of this fact.
I don’t feel that the article contained this element of the SRG campaign. I feel that it was one sided and I question if their are reasons behind this bias. Personal and/or professional. Most importantly purposeful or accidental…
April 12, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Jeff Muskrat
“I do believe this whole dynamic has been an example of what gives environmentalists a bad name.”
What dynamic? I’m not now(and not ever) speaking for the group. I’m also very flattered Erik, but I’m also not speaking for all “environmentalists”.
I’m speaking for myself. I’m not claiming to be a part of anyone or anything. I simply have interests in this issue. Just as you have, apparently.
“What would satisfy you such that you would remove your opposition to the proposal?”
I thought you knew me, Erik…
What else would satisfy my personal priority in my opposition to this project? (And forgive my “melodramatic” passion on this subject Erik, I just hope you can empathize where I’m coming from and what my concerns have always been…)
Less than 3% remains of our ancient forests. Trees like this are extremely rare, especially in comparison to what used to exist in our biosphere. This is OUR State Park and the gateway to the redwoods, the “Redwood Curtain”. People from all over the planet come to see our trees because that is what the Redwood Coast is known for. People also see the Avenue of the Giants and the dead tops.
If there should be a study done on coast redwood root systems, maybe it should be done on the sections of dying redwoods along the Avenue of the Giants. The DPW(now Caltrans) didn’t know it was killing those trees when they diverted the ground surface water into culverts for the current four lane of the highway.
How does the Caltrans of today know that the RIP won’t kill or harm the ancient trees within Richardson Grove State Park? They obviously don’t, even by their own admittance. If Caltrans conducted their own studies, do you think that they would be unbiased and credible?
If you read an article claiming to report BOTH sides as with the strange cover containing a truck and tree duking it out between the “older?” and “younger?” humboldt generations involved with the Richardson Grove issue and you saw only photos from/of Caltrans, as well as a majority of quotes from Caltrans as well, wouldn’t you think the article was biased, and not credible? (I’m still not sure what the cover is supposed to mean. All I can say is that it sure gives me a funny feeling
My own personal stance?
Leave the trees alone.
No cut.
No build.
No compromise.
But maybe YES to a less expensive and more suiting alternative. Like the way things should have been, at least in a world where we would like to believe that these agencies have the public’s best interests in mind.
Everything else for me in regards to the various reasons for my opposition towards this project is all a part of the bigger picture:
http://www.times-standard.com/ci_12384995?IADID=Search-www.times-standard.com-www.times-standard.com
If I had one wish, it would be for Caltrans to use technology to save these ancient trees and solve this issue. Technology to save Caltrans from itself, in regards to excessive spending. Imagine how much money could have been saved by something similar to the radar enforcement signs on the Big Lagoon curves. Millions!
This needs to happen in Richardson Grove State Park, regardless. If this project is about safety, LESS curves will only increase reckless speeding through the Park, would it not? An as a bicyclist, why is it up to the bankrupted State Parks to build a bike lane?(from RIP DEIR) (Caltrans IS kicking the park down some trash(not cash) can lids to mitigate the wildlife issues.(Also from RIP DEIR))
As far as a “watertight” FEIR, I highly doubt that Caltrans will mitigate the massive amount of issues with the environment, necessity and most importantly the location of the project.
Again, I’m not speaking for the group, but I feel the SRGC is made up of a lot of extraordinary, brilliant and diverse individuals who also have their own diverse reasons in their interests of seeing Richardson Grove unharmed. These people are great assets to the community and they are your neighbors. If you read the multitude of op/eds in the NCJ, the Times-Standard, Redwood Times, The Independent, etc., you will find that a large amount of residents oppose the project. The community forums are also very good indicator of this fact.
I don’t feel that the article contained this element of the SRG campaign. I feel that it was one sided and I question if their are reasons behind this bias. Personal and/or professional. Most importantly purposeful or accidental…
April 12, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Jeff Muskrat
the reasonable anonymous says “Thank heavens you’re here to help us understand these things.”
Yes, it’s a hard job, but someone has to do it…
April 12, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Jeff Muskrat
“I do believe this whole dynamic has been an example of what gives environmentalists a bad name.”
What dynamic? I’m not now(and not ever) speaking for the group. I’m also very flattered Erik, but I’m also not speaking for all “environmentalists.
I’m speaking for myself. I’m not claiming to be a part of anyone or anything. I simply have interests in this issue.
“What would satisfy you such that you would remove your opposition to the proposal?”
I thought you knew me, Erik…
What else would satisfy my personal priority in my opposition to this project? (And forgive my “melodramatic” passion on this subject Erik, I just hope you can empathize where I’m coming from and what my concerns have always been…)
Less than 3% remains of our ancient forests. Trees like this are extremely rare, especially in comparison to what used to exist in our biosphere. This is OUR State Park and the gateway to the redwoods, the “Redwood Curtain”. People from all over the planet come to see our trees because that is what the Redwood Coast is known for. People also see the Avenue of the Giants and the dead tops.
If there should be a study done on coast redwood root systems, maybe it should be done on the sections of dying redwoods along the Avenue of the Giants. The DPW(now Caltrans) didn’t know it was killing those trees when they diverted the ground surface water into culverts for the current four lane of the highway.
How does the Caltrans of today know that the RIP won’t kill or harm the ancient trees within Richardson Grove State Park? They obviously don’t, even by their own admittance. If Caltrans conducted their own studies, do you think that they would be unbiased and credible?
If you read an article claiming to report BOTH sides as with the strange cover containing a truck and tree duking it out between the “older?” and “younger?” humboldt generations involved with the Richardson Grove issue and you saw only photos from/of Caltrans, as well as a majority of quotes from Caltrans as well, wouldn’t you think the article was biased, and not credible? (I’m still not sure what the cover is supposed to mean. All I can say is that it sure gives me a funny feeling
My own personal stance?
Leave the trees alone.
No cut.
No build.
No compromise.
But maybe YES to a less expensive and more suiting alternative. Like the way things should have been, at least in a world where we would like to believe that these agencies have the public’s best interests in mind.
Everything else for me in regards to the various reasons for my opposition towards this project is all a part of the bigger picture:
http://www.times-standard.com/ci_12384995?IADID=Search-www.times-standard.com-www.times-standard.com
If I had one wish, it would be for Caltrans to use technology to save these ancient trees and solve this issue. Technology to save Caltrans from itself, in regards to excessive spending. Imagine how much money could have been saved by something similar to the radar enforcement signs on the Big Lagoon curves. Millions!
This needs to happen in Richardson Grove State Park, regardless. If this project is about safety, LESS curves will only increase reckless speeding through the Park, would it not? An as a bicyclist, why is it up to the bankrupted State Parks to build a bike lane?(from RIP DEIR) (Caltrans IS kicking the park down some trash(not cash) can lids to mitigate the wildlife issues.(Also from RIP DEIR))
As far as a “watertight” FEIR, I highly doubt that Caltrans will mitigate the massive amount of issues with the environment, necessity and most importantly the location of the project.
Again, I’m not speaking for the group, but I feel the SRGC is made up of a lot of extraordinary, brilliant and diverse individuals who also have their own diverse reasons in their interests of seeing Richardson Grove unharmed. These people are great assets to the community and they are your neighbors. If you read the multitude of op/eds in the NCJ, the Times-Standard, Redwood Times, The Independent, etc., you will find that a large amount of residents oppose the project. The community forums are also very good indicator of this fact.
I don’t feel that the article contained this element of the SRG campaign. I feel that it was one sided and I question if their are reasons behind this bias. Personal and/or professional. Most importantly purposeful or accidental…
April 12, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Jeff Muskrat
I got through finally, after switching commputers. I think Erik banned me from posting for fear of converting you all over to Grovies.
Good to know that this is an opressive blog. Good luck with all that Erik, I know it proably hurt your feelings by me insulting your lady friend, but that’s still no reason to pose a question to me and not allow me to answer.
Well, there it is. We’ll see how long it stays up, and I’ll post it up at the NCJ just in case, Hank still allows for freedom of speech, at least in the blogosphere. I gotta go. We’ll see who the victor is in this fight, I sure hope the message isn’t complety spun and confoluted by the local big-box controlled media(where is the NCJ printed again?).
April 12, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Eric Kirk
Jeff:
1. You weren’t banned. I don’t know anything about your posting problems, but I don’t have much control over WordPress.
2. The “dynamic” is in reference to the whole debate, and the emotional appeals in lieu of hard facts and information. There are many good people opposed to the Caltrans proposal, but the dynamic has not been healthy nor productive. And example is your rhetorical technique of branding me a proponent of the project, which I am not. I can hear Pete Seeger’s voice in the distance, “which side are you on….” Apparently we have to choose sides, and anything less than a sycophantish acceptance of what is trotted out in the pep rallies renders one on the other side.
I’ve posed a few questions, but the biggest one is whether there is anything which could lead you to actually support the proposal, and you answered it. “No compromise.” I see that as a problem.
April 12, 2010 at 6:43 pm
Eric Kirk
It does look like a couple of your posts were caught in the anti-spam net. Sometimes a link will do that, although the setting is for two or more links.
In any case, I’ve freed them all up.
April 12, 2010 at 7:20 pm
the reasonable anonymous
“Yes, it’s a hard job, but someone has to do it”
Actually no one really HAS to preach condescending sermons or resort to disparaging the motives and ethics of a reporter just because what she (and many others) see as a reasonably balanced article is viewed as heavily biased by an activist like yourself. Your kill-the-messenger appraoch is self-defeating, but it’s certainly within your rights to voice self-defeating comments.
As for myself, I thought that both sides arguments were well-represented in the NCJ article, and that the opponents of the project came off just fine, despite your concerns.
So your perception of how the article came across was different than mine, but there’s no surprise there: I have continued to keep an open mind on this issue and listen to all sides, while you have apparently closed your mind to any facts or opinions that don’t fit with the conclusions you are already so committed to. So you are bound to see bias where most people see balance.
Good luck persuading people by attacking the messenger. Crristina’s credibility is not really in question, as people in the area already know her and her work. But your own credibility is another question. The more you resort to attacking the motives, character and ethics of fair-minded folks like Cristina, the more desperate and less credible you will appear, and therefore the less effective your advocacy will be.
Perhaps you should focus more on doing a better job of gathering facts and getting your message out, and less on complaining that others aren’t pushing your propaganda the way you’d like them to. Just a thought!
April 12, 2010 at 7:25 pm
the reasonable anonymous
“If this project is about safety, LESS curves will only increase reckless speeding through the Park, would it not? ‘
By the way, according to Caltrans, they aren’t proposing to remove the curves, in fact the new alignment would be curvier. Therefore if you believe that more curves = slower speed = fewer accidents and fatalities, then it seems that you’re making an argument FOR the realignment.
Again, maybe you should spend more time learning facts, and less time spinning fictions and then howling when reporters don’t repeat your fictions as facts.
April 12, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Cristina
I’m exhausted, I don’t have a day off until Saturday, and I’m not interested in engaging in a blogowar, so all I’m going to say is: 1) Yes, there were things edited out for space, and there was no malicious intent in what did/didn’t make it in; 2) Yes, I took many photos, including of one of the billboards – but I don’t do layout; and 3) Randy Gans made it in there because, even though Rob Arkley and the Marina Center are part of every single RG discussion I’ve ever heard, no one had ever bothered to actually ask them what their role in it is.
I’ve duly noted that it’s not personal. Good night.
April 13, 2010 at 8:16 am
mresquan
Eric,I have a question,why should one have to compromise when they see absolutely no need personally to widen the grove?
If your main concern is safety,for instance,there already exist numerous things which could be done to mitigate that problem without CalTrans doing a thing.
April 13, 2010 at 11:10 am
Jeff Muskrat
the reasonable anonymous said:
“As for myself, I thought that both sides arguments were well-represented in the NCJ article, and that the opponents of the project came off just fine, despite your concerns….Again, maybe you should spend more time learning facts, and less time spinning fictions and then howling when reporters don’t repeat your fictions as facts.”
I thought of all people you would be reasonable.
If the article was “fair and balanced”, there would be much less praise coming strictly from project proponents. Considering the large amount of people who have concerns about the project, and now the article, I feel that Cristina did her community a grave injustice by not representing SRG’s position and diverse, aside from the few comments taken from sound bites and excerpts from Kerul Dyer of EPIC. What about the Center for Biological Diversity? Bay Area Coalition for Headwaters? Intertribal Sinkyone Wilderness Council? Sierra Club North?
What about Barbara Kennedy? Why was her part of the story left out of this so called look at two sides of the Richardson Grove issue? She is after all the spokesperson for SaveRichardsonGrove.org. If you were doing a “balanced” story in which you putting two sides of an issue on display for the public to see, would you not seek the info from the actual spokesperson for the Save Richardson Grove campaign?
It’s very clear what is going on here. You would have to have some inherent bias to believe that this story was even representative of actual reality. Please be reasonable.
April 13, 2010 at 11:27 am
humboldtforestdefense
Erik said :
“I’ve posed a few questions, but the biggest one is whether there is anything which could lead you to actually support the proposal, and you answered it. “No compromise.” I see that as a problem.”
Erik, I will attempt to answer your question again. Not only did you fail to read what I wrote above, but you also think that I will believe that my posts are being help up by something out of your control. Well, maybe you need some tech support.
In discussion settings for your wordpress blog account, the default setting for comment moderation is two links. My post contained one single link.
You either changed your setting to moderate comment settings for one link from the default setting of two…or something else is going on. It’s very simple to plug my name in to hold my comments for moderation. Also, if what you say is true, others would have trouble posting links.
I see this as a problem, especially if we are trying to communicate on a level of trust and honesty. The reason for the discussion of this one sided article.
Let me answer your question again. And stop trying to paint me as “unreasonable”:
I say again.
No compromise.
But maybe YES to a less expensive and more suiting alternative. Like the way things should have been, at least in a world where we would like to believe that these agencies have the public’s best interests in mind.
Everything else for me in regards to the various reasons for my opposition towards this project is all a part of the bigger picture:
http://www.times-standard.com/ci_12384995?IADID=Search-www.times-standard.com-www.times-standard.com
If I had one wish, it would be for Caltrans to use technology to save these ancient trees and solve this issue. Technology to save Caltrans from itself, in regards to excessive spending. Imagine how much money could have been saved by something similar to the radar enforcement signs on the Big Lagoon curves. Millions!
This needs to happen in Richardson Grove State Park, regardless. If this project is about safety, LESS curves will only increase reckless speeding through the Park, would it not? An as a bicyclist, why is it up to the bankrupted State Parks to build a bike lane?(from RIP DEIR) (Caltrans IS kicking the park down some trash(not cash) can lids to mitigate the wildlife issues.(Also from RIP DEIR))
As far as a “watertight” FEIR, I highly doubt that Caltrans will mitigate the massive amount of issues with the environment, necessity and most importantly the location of the project.
Again, I’m not speaking for the group, but I feel the SRGC is made up of a lot of extraordinary, brilliant and diverse individuals who also have their own diverse reasons in their interests of seeing Richardson Grove unharmed. These people are great assets to the community and they are your neighbors. If you read the multitude of op/eds in the NCJ, the Times-Standard, Redwood Times, The Independent, etc., you will find that a large amount of residents oppose the project. The community forums are also very good indicator of this fact.
I don’t feel that the article contained this element of the SRG campaign. I feel that it was one sided and I question if their are reasons behind this bias. Personal and/or professional. Most importantly purposeful or accidental…
April 13, 2010 at 11:29 am
Eric Kirk
If your main concern is safety,for instance,there already exist numerous things which could be done to mitigate that problem without CalTrans doing a thing.
Actually, my main concern is for sparing local businesses the costs of offloading so that they can make more money and perhaps hire a few more people.
April 13, 2010 at 11:37 am
Eric Kirk
Jeff, it’s not totally out of my control. I could shut down the spam buster, but we’d be inundated with porn ad posts on a daily basis.
And the bottom line is that I’m not convinced that the project will bring significant harm to Richardson Grove. I am convinced that the local economy is in a lot of trouble and families who aren’t growing dope or working for the government are leaving the county. That is an indisputable reality. Sometimes my blue side weighs more heavily than my green, but I am willing to sacrifice livelihoods for environmental concerns when there is strong evidence of serious environmental consequences. What I’m seeing is opposition from people who simply don’t like change. But they’re going to get change if we don’t develop the economy for small business, and saving them a grand a truckload of supplies would go a long way towards that goal.
I don’t know how the loss of a few old growth trees would weigh into my position. I need to know the level of risk before I even consider it, and I’m not finding any real answers to that question.
April 13, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Anonymous
Eric please don’t lump EPIC with HumCPR. HumCPR members have called for a boycott of EPIC because some people who work with EPIC have voiced support for rural growth restrictions. Estelle said during the campaign that she supports the grove widening and she said nothing though she showed up at the Vets Hall forum. There may be some overlap but try not to confuse the issue.
April 13, 2010 at 5:20 pm
blacklisted2
e–you said you don’t know how the loss of a few old growth trees would weigh in on your decision. How old are these trees? How long have they been where they are? A balance, harmony has been struck in RG for whatever reason. It won’t take much to destroy that harmony. Kinda like the harmony and balance in your family. To some, losing those trees would be like losing a family member, worse, because those old growth trees are a very small minority. We have less fog, less rain, less, less, less, only so a few humans’ can have more? Humans- a very selfish, short-sighted bunch.
April 13, 2010 at 6:21 pm
the reasonable anonymous
Jeff, I’m convinced at this point that you are completely incapable of recognizing your own bias. Apparently, unless Christina quoted the people and groups you wanted her to quote, and showed pictures of your billboards, and slanted the article completely in your favor, you’re going to view her piece as biased, and view her as an “unethical” reporter.
Christina has a hundred times more credibility than you do at this point. And that’s coming from me, someone who is NOT a supporter of the Richardson Grove project.
If your brand of mushy thinking and conspiratorial hysteria is typical of those who are strongly opposed to the project, you folks are in deep doo-doo.
April 13, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Eric Kirk
e–you said you don’t know how the loss of a few old growth trees would weigh in on your decision. How old are these trees? How long have they been where they are? A balance, harmony has been struck in RG for whatever reason. It won’t take much to destroy that harmony. Kinda like the harmony and balance in your family. To some, losing those trees would be like losing a family member, worse, because those old growth trees are a very small minority. We have less fog, less rain, less, less, less, only so a few humans’ can have more? Humans- a very selfish, short-sighted bunch.
Yeah, see, I value trees. But I value people more. Speciesist bias I guess.
April 13, 2010 at 7:20 pm
the reasonable anonymous
Please. It’s not really a question of people vs. trees. People and trees have coexisted for millions of years.
If I had to risk damaging an old-growth tree in order to save a human life, I would do so without any qualms.
And for those making the “safety” argument for the Richardson Grove realignment, that is basically the scenario they are envisioning. The tradeoff is some potential damage to a small number of old-growth trees, in exchange for potentially saving some human lives at some point in the future.
This argument has some merit, but the tricky part is that no one seems to be able to pin down exactly how much damage to how many old-growth trees, nor is anyone able to say how many lives would be saved over what period of time. (Similarly, with the economic arguments, the argument is made that the realignment would stimulate the economy and create jobs, but no one can say how many new jobs, if any, would be created). Like a lot of political decisions, there are significant uncertainties, and those who have already made up their minds tend to fill in those blanks with asumptions that lead to the conclusions that they already want to reach.
Sure, I’d risk damaging an old-growth tree to save a human life, and I suppose I’d risk damaging a bunch of them to save a bunch of humans.
On the other hand, if my choice was either (1) let a single human die, or (2) clear-cut the last couple hundred acres of old-growth redwoods left on earth, I’d come down on the side of letting the one human die. (Yeah, I know, if it was my child who was going to die I would feel differently!)
Thank heavens those aren’t the choices we are facing. At worst we’re talking about potential damage to a relatively small number of old-growth trees, or on the other hand, failing to prevent a relatively small number of traffic fatalities. I know that may sound callous to some folks (on both sides), but that’s my analysis of the situation: It’s just not a really big deal either way it goes.
April 13, 2010 at 8:01 pm
blacklisted2
Nicely said. Unfortunately we keep damaging “small numbers” of old growth trees,and these small numbers add up. Your comment gives one lots to ponder, looked at one way, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Had a conversation with a friend today who owns a KOA in LA. Their opinion is that the stretch of 101 from Ukiah to Crescent City is one of the most beautiful in the US. IF it is not a big deal either way, the money would be better spent on other projects that do matter which way it goes?
April 13, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Eric Kirk
I was responding specifically to the comparison of losing a family member to losing trees. Sorry, but I’d down an entire forest to avoid losing a family member.
April 13, 2010 at 8:59 pm
the reasonable anonymous
“I’d down an entire forest to avoid losing a family member.”
I think we all would. But this may not be a very rational way to approach the Richardson Grove issue. After all, any standing tree along any roadway *might* drop a branch on the head of a family member, so if you’re determined to eliminate any possibility of a family member being killed by a tree, well then you’d better start cutting down every tree around, right? You’d be “valuing people over trees,” right?
The thing is, we’re dealing with risks, not certainties. There is a risk that a tree branch might fall on your family member’s head, but it’s a very low risk, thus you don’t feel the need to go on a clear-cutting jihad throughout the area. Similarly, there is a risk that the narrow roadway at Richardson Grove might cause you to lose a family member to an accident. But it’s a pretty low risk. Adding to the confusion is the possibility that the realignment may lead to people traveling at higher speeds, and therefore there may be a risk on the other side as well, and neither risk is easily quantified.
All in all, it’s very difficult to weigh these kinds of risk scenarios, given how many uncertainties are involved. But it’s very easy to appeal to emotions like love and fear by posing the issue as “what if it was YOUR family member who got into an accident there?” Such emotional arguments are valid, and have their place in the debate, but they are only part of the picture.
April 13, 2010 at 10:28 pm
suzy blah blah
emotional arguments are valid, and have their place
=yet another so called liberal minded intellectual who likes to put ppl’s emotions “in their place”. Oh sure, I’m sure it all adds up to you on paper to you but in the real world I wonder how you’d feel, that is if you have any feelings at all, about the abortion issue that I hear so much about these days . . . which leads me to wonder if maybe you don’t have a family or loved ones to feel that way about or anything like that because for me, emotional judgments and love believe it or not are just as valid as reason! and often more to the point. In other words you may call me an emotional but personally I’d clearcut Richardsons Grove in a heartbeat no matter what you say –before i’d kill my little baby. LET THE BIG TRUCKS ROLL!
April 13, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Eric Kirk
Well, I’d give up five old growth trees so that some working class bay area residents could afford to buy Humboldt Fog cheese. Would I give up ten?
April 14, 2010 at 12:26 am
the reasonable anonymous
” I’d give up five old growth trees so that some working class bay area residents could afford to buy Humboldt Fog cheese.”
Please tell me that’s your idea of a joke. Because if you’re serious, then you just made THE WEAKEST argument (that I’ve heard so far) for the Richardson Grove realignment.
If we want to do something for the “working class,” well, you already know what we need to do: We need to increase the minimum wage, limit CEO salaries, increase taxes on the rich and improve worker’s rights tio organize. “Giving up” old growth trees in a highway realignment as a work-around for poverty and food inequality is a pretty foolish concept.
Poor and working class Americans have a lot of pressing problems, but the unaffordability of fancy goat cheese is not very high on the list.
April 14, 2010 at 8:08 am
mresquan
Eric,the lumber mills and the pulp mill and industry existing prior to the desired expansion into mass retail development didn’t close due to problems which may exist at Richardson Grove,if anything they benefited from it.
The only sector set right now to benefit from widening the grove is retail,which is hardly an enticement.If I begin to see that localities are willing to take a step back from retail development and work to bring in more high paying industrial (or nonindustrial) jobs which is another part of that “smart growth”mantra which you and I both support,then maybe I’ll begin to see some benefit.
Will widening aid some smaller businesses by allowing them to compete with larger competitors easier,perhaps,and I’d sure like to see some data which specifically supports that claim over a long period of time.
April 14, 2010 at 8:28 am
blacklisted2
I have lost all respect for you eric.
April 14, 2010 at 9:54 am
Barbara Kennedy
This debate has shifted away from the essential issues which should be (relating to our economy) sustainability and localization. Where is the discussion of the future for our economy? Believe me, we should not be increasing our dependence on shipping by diesel trucks. Allowing increased dependence on shipping by diesel trucks will only hurt us in the not so distant future when oil prices continue to climb. I’m sure most folks have heard the phrase “peak oil.” We’ve passed it! This project should be halted so that focus can be brought to alternatives that will better serve us as we come to the end of cheap oil. There is no urgent need to to rush this project.
We need to be asking how we can support and encourage local and sustainable businesses here in this County and I don’t mean businesses located here in the County that import raw materials and then export products.
Humboldt County will never be a hub of industry. Instead we should be concentrating on how we can make it a hub of visionary thinking and an incubator for entrepreneurs to build new businesses needed for a green and sustainable future. Visionary entrepreneurs are attracted to an environment like ours for the great quality of life and as a County we should be planning on how to attract these folks and what infrastructure they would need such as high speed broadband access.
This project is transformative for the County and unfortunately the public has not been given a place in the process to allow for meaningful discussion of the implications and creative thinking to generate alternatives.
April 14, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Talia Rose
I am a Piercy resident and a Garberville small business owner. I oppose the Richardson Grove road widening project for many reasons. I think Barbara Kennedy voiced exactly how I feel in terms of localization and a climate friendly future. I would like to address the idea that business owners must pay $1000 extra to get their goods because of the grove. I have dealt with this personally, as we get truckloads delivered to our store. It took a bit of figuring out to find a truck company that could deliver to our area without incurring a fine. In fact, we had to spend several hours researching. But it wasn’t rocket science folks. A little forethought and planning goes a long way. Would I sacrifice a few hours and some advance planning to save a redwood grove that is treasured by locals and tourists alike and considered sacred by the native tribes? You bet! We have become so used to conveniance in our lives that we are willing to cut down our beautiful State Park trees and poison our future generations just because it makes things a little easier. A little forethought and planning is something we could really benefit from here. As I see it, the practices that are destroying our future life on planet earth are rooted in greed. And you can bet someone stands to make money off this project and it is not the small local business owners. In Garberville, where the people closest to this project live, we small business owners tend to make our money from the tourist industry, which I suspect will become a lot more important if our other local industry continues to decline. We will not benefit from from the butchering of a grove that so many people come here to see and remember fondly for a long time after they leave.
Another point I need to bring up, because I live there – this grove is my nieghborhood. Because I drive through this stretch of highway each day I notice some things you may not. I notice the highway directly north of the grove, in front of Legend of Bigfoot, sink down a few inches each winter and need to be filled in. From my kayak below I can see how the highway butts right up to the edge of the steep cliffs and how precarious certain sections of the road are. This highway is not extremely stable and I do not believe it can support the added burden of bigger, longer, heavier trucks traveling more frequently over it. I worry about what will happen to our river if the road continues to slide in these places. These are aspects of this project that need to be looked at before we go spending millions of dollars altering a tiny section of roadway that is part of a bigger picture.
Most of you who are weighing in and deciding on the future of our beloved Richardson Grove do not live there. In the community of Piercy, this project is opposed by our local Fire Department and emergency response team as well as the Piercy business owners. There are many things to be considered here.
April 14, 2010 at 2:41 pm
the reasonable anonymous
“This project is transformative for the County…”
I think that’s an exaggeration. I don’t think that this project is going to make a huge difference one way or the other.
April 14, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Talia Rose
perhaps…but giving that money to our schools instead sure would…..
April 14, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Anonymous
In the community of Piercy, this project is opposed by our local Fire Department and emergency response team as well as the Piercy business owners. There are many things to be considered here.
In the community of Eureka, this project is supported by just about every struggling business. There are things to be considered here as well.
April 14, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Talia Rose
How do you see that widening the highway would help struggling businesses? Doesn’t the added congestion of trucks through Eureka scare you?
April 14, 2010 at 8:06 pm
ED Denson
We have become so used to conveniance in our lives that we are willing to cut down our beautiful State Park trees and poison our future generations just because it makes things a little easier.
Finally, someone cuts to the heart of it all. Thanks Talia.
April 15, 2010 at 8:02 am
blacklisted2
Thank you Talia. Greed and Convenience, instant gratification, that’s humans’. We live here in Humboldt County because of the way it is. Those that moved here, moved here because of the way it is. Greed and convenience want to change the way it is. Selfish human beings, short term goals, short term sight.
“We have become so used to convenience in our lives that we are willing to cut down our beautiful State Park Trees and poison our future generations just because it makes things a little easier” Talia Rose quote
And that little carrot dream of more $$$.
April 15, 2010 at 8:08 am
Eric Kirk
Doesn’t the added congestion of trucks through Eureka scare you?
Would there be more trucks? I haven’t really followed that logic either. It seems to me that there might actually be fewer large trucks instead of more smaller trucks.
Just asking.
April 15, 2010 at 9:24 am
suzy blah blah
Doesn’t the added congestion of trucks through Eureka scare you?
What?! -girl, are you a some kinda little scaredy cat or something? Trucks totally rock, i specially like em at night changing lanes with their lights flashing on and off etc. and the BIG ones are totally AWESOME! Ppl like you sound like some kinda backwards ignorant luddite or something that we don’t need cuz your ignorence blocks the progressive agenda etc. Maybe you think we should go back to horses and carriages, LOL!
April 15, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Anonymous
“We have become so used to conveniance in our lives that we are willing to cut down our beautiful State Park trees and poison our future generations just because it makes things a little easier. “
To some people who actually work for a living the “convenience” is a livelihood.
April 15, 2010 at 4:11 pm
ANONYMOUS #1
It seems that most everyone thinks that it is ok to have all this traffic in Richardson Grove. It is still an insult to these majestic and beautiful trees to have anything but a few dawdling tourists, bicyclists, and people walking in the grove. It was that way 40 years ago and has only gotten worse.
The NCJ articles have been very successful at controlling the dialogue on this issue. The alternative to all this mumbo jumbo about STAA, big box, growth, etc. is to scale back the usage of that road to near nada and relocate the whole route across the river. That is good for all sides. The tourists get an enhanced, more memorable, quieter, and less frantic experience. The environmentalists/tree hugger/universal sceptics get a totally protected park. The diesel big truck guys get a safer, very wide, two bridges less highway. The future of people/light goods transport get a route for the light rail that will eventually be the method for future transportation.
There seems to be some sort of a religious mindset at work here that landslides and slipouts are some sort of railroad disease, especially in this part of the country. It happens everywhere there are routes through mountains rail/ highway, or path.
This dialogue has been pretty narrow, short sighted both creatively and realistically.
April 15, 2010 at 4:18 pm
blacklisted2
Didn’t someone post a stat on roads that are “enhanced”, and that once “enhanced”, there are ALWAYS more trucks?
E-Why did you grease right on by the “cut to the heart of it all” segment? You know, the greed and convenience stuff?
April 16, 2010 at 10:59 am
Talia Rose
“To some people who actually work for a living the “convenience” is a livelihood.”
Just for your information – I am a business owner who “works for a living” and I don’t grow pot. And taking a few hours to find a trucking company that would suit our unique areas needs was not a hardship and well worth preserving our grove not to mention our future.
Putting our precious dollars into infrastructure that supports more burning of fossil fuels is destroying our future. It is short sighted. And, I predict, if this project goes through, that within 5 years the hwy just before or after the butchered grove will slide and Hwy 101 will be closed to ALL traffic and the money will be spent to create an alternate route. That road just cannot handle the weight and load of bigger trucks.
April 16, 2010 at 11:31 am
Barbara Kennedy
With respect to Erik (and the CALTRANS logic) that larger trucks and a wider road mean less traffic … have you ventured on down South on Highway 101 recently? What do you think of the fact that the highway is being widened to three lanes in either direction from Windsor on down? Have you driven through the East Bay and beyond to Tracy and seen all the farm lands converted to tract housing and malls? Highway 580 is being widened to 5 lanes in each direction near Livermore. Have you ever seen a road widened that did not bring more traffic and development? And what makes you think that the trucking lobby will not prevail to lengthen trailers beyond 53 feet and raise the gross weight limit beyond 80,000 lbs.? – they are presently lobbying in Washington DC to raise the gross weight to 97,000 lbs.
All that being said, why the rush for this project? Why not take more time to consider all the arguments and alternatives in a more creative and constructive fashion than has been allowed to date? There are serious issues here that need to be meaningfully explored – that is what reasonable decision making should entail.
April 16, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Anonymous
Cristina-part 2 of your series is even more biased than part 1. As a farmers market participant, who does not grow marijuana, I resent your insinuation that we all “grow”. Did you even bother to ask this question, of the market participants?
You also ask the question of marijuana being transported out of county, and would the “growers” stop this practice for environmental reasons? I believe most transportation of this product is done in vehicles that do not require 101 to be changed in any way.. Marijuana growers are not asking that the old growth Redwood Trees in OUR state park, be cut/killed/lobotomized.
April 16, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Cristina
I did not insinuate that all market participants grow. I did insinuate that some growers participate in the market.
The second part of your question deals with growth, and my question was this: why is it OK for growers to sell all their product out of Humboldt County, but not for Cypress Grove to do so? It’s hypocrisy. The hypocrisy is what’s killing me here. The hypocrisy of harrumphing about the cheese company only selling one percent of its product in the county, when we all know damn well that the pot goes everywhere else. The hypocrisy of fighting Caltrans on a project where the agency has, to many observers (as I noted), tried to take the sanctity of the grove into consideration (not perfectly, as I ALSO noted – they needed opponents to kick their ass on that one)… when only a tiny handful of people tried to fight the Reggae expansion. WHY? Because the trees matter more than the creatures that live in them? Why didn’t EPIC tear apart the Reggae EIR? The Community Park questioners have done a better job of that than ANY local environmental group.
I’m waiting for science, not hysteria. If EPIC can prove its case based on logic and known fact, I’ll be thrilled. No one has successfully answered why the trees in the grove now are still OK.
April 16, 2010 at 8:22 pm
the reasonable anonymous
“I’m waiting for science, not hysteria.”
Don’t hold your breath!
April 17, 2010 at 12:55 am
Eric Kirk
Barbara
With respect to Erik (and the CALTRANS logic) that larger trucks and a wider road mean less traffic … have you ventured on down South on Highway 101 recently?
Often
What do you think of the fact that the highway is being widened to three lanes in either direction from Windsor on down?
I don’t know. It didn’t make sense to widen it to three lanes on only the south side of Santa Rosa. I haven’t been involved in the issue, but I guess we’ll find out if it relieves traffic congestion. The fix in San Rafael has worked wonders there.
Have you driven through the East Bay and beyond to Tracy and seen all the farm lands converted to tract housing and malls?
Yes. Smart growth policies are in place in most of the Bay Area, but unfortunately not in the valley, and so far not here either.
Highway 580 is being widened to 5 lanes in each direction near Livermore. Have you ever seen a road widened that did not bring more traffic and development?
Well, the problem is that traffic and development is being increased everywhere in California. Everybody wants to live here. But I’ve seen widenings and highway improvements which took place after the development, such as Carmel Valley and Monterey, and did not significantly increase it afterwards. The improvement of 299 did not lead to massive development in Weaverville.
Roads don’t cause over-development. Poor planning does.
And what makes you think that the trucking lobby will not prevail to lengthen trailers beyond 53 feet and raise the gross weight limit beyond 80,000 lbs.? – they are presently lobbying in Washington DC to raise the gross weight to 97,000 lbs.
No guarantee it won’t.
April 18, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Anonymous
It does not sound like anyone is trying to prevent the goat cheese place from selling their product out of the area– they already do. But do they Have To Grow? “Economic Growth” is only a necessity for corporations traded on the stock exchange, that is how they are valued, by their growth (profit) Forecast, that is what makes their stock increase in “value”.
If a company makes a nice product and a living for 45 people or so, why isn’t that enough? I think it is an aspect of sustainability, though it may be heretical to say so.
The other capitalist lie is that it is all about competition… well, if kraft or monsanto or phillip morris decide to go into the goat cheese business, all the big trucks and all the big freeways in the world won’t save cyprus grove. Sorry.
Please do not open the door to cutting down trees that are supposed to belong to all of california. Where does that ever end? Just a few trees? Just a few more feet of the commons swallowed up for the lie that economic growth will save us as we destroy the life that sustains all the beings of the area, a few trees or gallons of water or feet of earth at a time.
I wonder how the people in Willits feel about the planned Freeway Bypass of Willits?
April 18, 2010 at 6:46 pm
edsvoice
Cristina Bauss;
I wanted to say Thank you. To say your article was long overdue is an understatement. For the first time, people could understand both sides without one side talking over the other. All of your points are very well taken.
If I may, I would like to jump into a steaming pile just a moment, your questions from April 16, 2010 at 7:55 pm. What you said in that post is the truth and most people in SoHum do know this, but nobody likes to hear it out loud. You had asked:
“Why didn’t EPIC tear apart the Reggae EIR?”
This is what people don’t want to talk about, but you and I both know EPIC was not going to take on a nonprofit corporation like the MCC and that is what they would have had to do. The same goes for Friends of the Eel River. It’s all about cashing in on the sticky BUD and who gets to sell it all day and all night long. Remember, two and three day music festivals have a captive audience and that is why they come. It’s not about the Redwoods, or the River, the Salmon Habitat or anything else environmental, It’s about making money, it’s about people getting away, getting high and music, lots & lots of music, man! If there was no weed at Reggae, would they come? Would there be Reggae? Would the environment be better for it?
And Thanks for noticing out loud about the Community Park questioners, less is more!
April 19, 2010 at 9:17 am
Barbara Kennedy
This post will attempt to set out the facts that “Roads and Redwoods” managed to obscure in both parts of an article that was slanted, biased and unenlightening.
Why were none of those with legitimate, informed concerns about the project interviewed, other than Kerul Dyer of EPIC? EPIC represents only one aspect of the concerns this project raises, the very important environmental aspects. Obviously the reporter has an axe to grind with EPIC for reasons that remain obscure – bringing Reggae into this article was just plain weird.
The reporter’s bias also shows in her attempts to demean the residents of Southern Humboldt. I can assure you that not all attendees at the Garberville forum were marijuana growers, and by the way, it is obvious that they do not use STAA trucks to distribute their product – so much for that ridiculous argument! We can still espouse localization and sustainability and shop in Eureka without being hypocrites. Where does the reporter shop?
Why were there no interviews with businesses that oppose the project? There are several. Why was there no investigation done of businesses that might be hurt by this project – such as our local trucking firms?
Why was there no mention of the opposition of the Intertribal Sinkyone Wilderness Council or the concerns of the Native Americans about their cultural sites?
A major concern that was also not mentioned is the manner in which the public has been excluded from having a voice in this matter. The four meetings that the reporter claims that CALTRANS held (and I can only recollect three – Benbow, Wharfinger Building and River Lodge) were orchestrated by CALTRANS and run according to their rules.
Early on, I tried for entry to one of the CALTRANS “stakeholder” meetings only to be told that the public was “not a stakeholder!”
The Supervisors have not been open to public opinion either. No mentioned was made by the reporter that the Board had voted to send letters of support for the project as a “Consent Calendar” item – the “Consent Calendar” is supposedly reserved for items that do not need public debate such as proclamations. You are not supposed to bury controversial items there.
No investigation or reporting was done on the abuse of the Headwaters Fund money to pay for a consultant to work with the writers of the six “My Word” articles favoring the project. When we appealed to the Headwaters Fund for use of some of the remaining grant funds to educate the public on the downsides and possible alternatives to the project we were denied.
Speaking of the Headwaters Fund, it is enlightening to know that almost $200,000 is being allocated to study the potentially negative economic effects of the MLPA where as none of the $50,000 Headwaters Grant allocated to promote the highway project was set aside to determine if it would have negative effects on the county.
When Clif Clendenen claims not to have seen evidence against the project – it is because he has not given those with reasonable concerns a fair hearing. We asked him to give us a place on the Board agenda but he twice failed to even answer our email. Initially we had approached him and asked him to act as a facilitator to bring the businesses with transportation issues together with our group so that we might generate solutions that would not involve disruption of the Park. As we left the meeting he indicated he favored the idea but then sent an email saying he changed his mind. By the way, there is nothing wrong with having passion or emotion when it comes to belief in your convictions.
The reporter has also failed to mention the grant that was just received by HCAOG from CALTRANS itself for a Regional Transportation planning project that will engage in public outreach to generate a blueprint for the future to balance transportation planning with land use and other planning issues to achieve more sustainable regional growth patterns affecting the quality of life in our region. This project should be halted until it can be submitted to this process.
Sins of omission are just as great as sins of commission, especially in journalism. Therefore, I am sorry to conclude that this was a particularly shabby piece of journalism that obscured many important and relevant facts and tried to diminish those with legitimate, informed concerns by painting them in an unflattering light.
April 19, 2010 at 2:43 pm
blacklisted
Barbara, it sounds like you have been experiencing similar frustrations regarding the Richardson Grove issue as we have in trying to protect the environment of the Community Park from the development plans the Park Board is trying to push through. A similarity that I can see from your posts is that there are many aspects and lots of citizen research, but it becomes very difficult to explain it all, not to mention there is a lack of forums for indepth discussion. (Which is why Erics blog is a real community service, even if he does not agree on the issues.) I would like to know more about what you know about the Richardson Grove widening project, because I hope it can be stopped.
Regarding this paragraph below, I have some questions: When you say this process should be halted until it can be submitted to this process, which project and what is the process? I am a little behind on some of this, but interested. any more info would be appreciated. I like research and will do some if you would point me in the direction. I hope others who care about the life of this place might want to find out more, too. All these HCOAG and RCAA and agencies or whatever they are seem like some process of cascading grants into projects that somehow manage to be impenetratable, difficult to negotiate (and inbred.)
We have had similar experiences to those you mentioned with Supervisor Clendenen, too. You are not alone!
“The reporter has also failed to mention the grant that was just received by HCAOG from CALTRANS itself for a Regional Transportation planning project that will engage in public outreach to generate a blueprint for the future to balance transportation planning with land use and other planning issues to achieve more sustainable regional growth patterns affecting the quality of life in our region. This project should be halted until it can be submitted to this process.”
Also,do you know where the State Park stands on the Richardson Grove project?
April 19, 2010 at 5:10 pm
edsvoice
Barbara Kennedy,
I merely thought I would answer the question Cristina asked from her last post; “Why didn’t EPIC tear apart the Reggae EIR?” that is all.
I don’t want to see any more great Redwoods taken down anywhere, let along @ Richardson Grove. Remember I grew up in SoHum; I worked for State Parks (both Richardson Grove & Benbow) all through High School during the summers. Even my kids know the area, and I want both my grandkids to see and know the area too and their grandkids etc etc..
My point is; everyone should weigh in, everyone should sit down and talk it over. Get to know the facts and if you have questions ask them, the only dumb or stupid question is the one not asked. Keep asking them, until you understand!
Take Redwood Towing. If the project goes ahead as planned thru the grove, he will be one of many that will lose business. Lets look at that and how many more will follow.
My hope would be to slow everything down, take it all in, until everyone understands the project; all questions have been answered to everyone’s satisfaction and all are on the same page.
April 22, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Talia Rose
“God has cared for these trees, saved them from drought, disease, avalanches, and a thousand tempests and floods. But he cannot save them from fools.”
John Muir
April 22, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Talia Rose
Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money. ~Cree Indian Proverb
Happy Earth Day Everyone!