MSNBC is reporting that Obama and Stupak have reached a compromise deal, involving an executive order to the effect that the law shall not be construed as to overturn the Hyde Amendment – interpretations to be left for court battles later I guess.
Now, do the progressives fight the deal? We know they won’t.
Addendum: The talking heads are saying that the “compromise” means nothing because an executive order only lasts as long as Obama is in office, and is (according to reports) vaguely worded anyway. Basically, it allows Stupak to vote for the bill and save face.
Second addendum: Stupak confirmed as a “yes” vote. That means it passes with votes up in the 220s.
Meanwhile, Pelosi this morning showed up to work with the gavel which closed the proceedings on the passage of Medicare in 1965.
Third addendum: Well, TPM is reporting that Stupak is denying he’s reached a deal, but I think he just wants to save it until he gets a microphone into his hand.
What’s really funny is that TPM scooped all the networks.
Fourth addendum: The pressure’s on and tempers are short. David Plouffe vs. Karl Rove on This Week:
Plouffe: “The politics of this, by the way: If we pass this, we’re in much better shape, politically, in the Democratic Party than we are today. Because we’re going to go out there and not just talk about what WE’RE for, but what the Republicans are voting against: They are siding with the insurance companies over people who are denied coverage for preexisting conditions, siding with the insurance companies over saving seniors money. So this isn’t just about us being a piñata here in the election. Elections are about choice. They are voting against an enormous tax cut for health care for 40 million middle-class families and 4 million small businesses — that’s what they’re voting against. … We are going to be much better positioned politically — now, that’s secondary to what’s right for the country — if we pass this. By the way, we had 15 million new voters vote in the 2008 election. OK, these are people are cynical that their vote really matters. If we don’t pass health care, I think that sends a very depressing message. But it’s going to be a very powerful message to them that their vote matters and they ought to stay involved in politics.”
Rove “This thing is paid for with Bernie-Madoff-style accounting. … It’s a gigantic disaster.”
Plouffe: “Karl and the Republicans would be familiar with that.”
Rove: “You will bankrupt the country if this bill passes. … For God’s sake, will you stop throwing around epitaphs [sic] and deal with the facts for once, David? … We will fight the election on this,. and the Democrats will have significant losses in the House and Senate as a result of this bill.”
Plouffe:”If Karl and a lot of Republicans want to call the election already, they ought to break out that ‘Mission Accomplished’ banner.”
Rove:”That’s cheesy, David. … You should not denigrate the mission of the USS Abraham Lincoln.”
You can view the video here.
Fifth addendum: Flipping between the cable news networks is amusing for the entertainment. MSNBC is filled with enthusiastic interviews with Democrats calling this the first step towards universal health care. CNN is focusing on the story of whether the Senate will betray the house and result in a “civil war” within the Democratic Party. Fox News has its cameras on the crowd outside, deftly avoiding the the pro-reform signs, and interviewing any Republican they can find not too surly to give them a statement.
Sixth addendum: As noted in the thread, the Republican pro-life caucus is turning on Stupak live as I type. Meanwhile, it’s sinking in to some on the right, and some of them are freaking out.
And the Tea Party demonstrators have included among their ranks those willing to resort to homophobia (while accosting Barney Frank) and racism (while accosting civil rights hero John Lewis). Add anti-Hispanic epithets (not “epitaphs” as Karl Rove said, although that word might also be appropriate) to the equation.
Seventh addendum: David Frum (Bush’s speechwriter) says this fight is the Republicans’ Waterloo.
And Boehner is begging his fellow Republicans to “behave like grown-ups” when the bill passes.
According to several lawmakers who attended the 15 minute meeting, Boehner said “we will behave like grown-ups,” and not engage in taunting the vulnerable Democrats who support the controversial measure.
Leaders anticipated that the Democrats will erupt in applause if the bill passes and they don’t want Republicans to react with a chorus of “Nah-nah-nah-nah hey, hey, hey good-bye,” as happened in November when the House healthcare bill was approved.
Rep. John Campbell (R-Calif.) explained that “this is too big. We believe that this is the beginning of the end of America,” and responding with taunts at Democrats, risking their jobs by voting for the bill is not appropriate.
Seventh addendum: Watching the debate and the Republicans really seem to be dispirited in their debate. They seem resigned to the inevitable. They really don’t seem to have their heart in it. Stupak’s sell-out took the wind out of their sails.
The one bright spot is Rep. Devin Nunes, from California, who says that the Democrats are “laying the cornerstone for their socialist Utopia.” I wish I could feel that way about it!
Nunes earlier commented that Democrats being hit with homophobic and racial epithets brought it on themselves, because “acting totalitarian” makes people “crazy.”
Meanwhile, the pro-life Susan B. Anthony List Group have stripped Rep. Stupak of his award. Yes, you read that name right.
Eighth addendum: It passed, though by a three fewer votes than had been projected. It may be that the Stupak clan had provided cover for a few swing district reps to save their asses in November.
In any case, it passed following a very melodramatic speech by Bonior.
Afterward, they’re still debating the reconciliation bill. The Republicans made a motion to send it back to committee to revive the language of Stupak-Pitts, which was firmly opposed by Stupak himself. During his speech a Republican representative, not yet identified, screamed “babykiller” at Stupak. Joe Wilson off his medication again maybe?
Meanwhile, the Democrats needed something to energize the base. Looks like it may have had some effect.

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March 21, 2010 at 11:50 am
Bob
Watching the debate on C-Span – Jessie Jackson Jr. looks tough with his arms crossed, holding a gavel like he’d like smack some Republican with it.
March 21, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Eric Kirk
There’ve already been some tea bagger protests, at least one inside the hall, resulting in arrests.
March 21, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Anonymous
Stupak and his homies are on television now explaining their vote, or trying to.
March 21, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Anonymous
Try CSPAN Eric.
March 21, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Eric Kirk
Okay, I’ve been watching Sustern for a half hour now. Four Republicans interviewed in opposition to the bill in a row, then a break for a replay of an earlier interview with Barney Frank, interrupted by a tea bagger, then now onto another Republican complaining about the taxes. She did dedicate a few seconds to putting a camera on two women chanting “health care now.” No sense of how large the group was, but you could hear other voices.
What’s scary is that Fox is the number one cable news network. Lots of people watching them, lapping it up.
March 21, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Eric Kirk
MSNBC isn’t much better. The panel is mostly liberal, though they do have JC Watts and Pat Buchanan there as well.
March 21, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Adlai
The anti-abortion Republicans are holding a press conference now. I actually agree with them. Stupak sold them out.
March 21, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Eric Kirk
Michelle Bachman is up to bat saying precisely that. He’s not their hero anymore.
March 21, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Tom Sebourn
Michelle Bachman talking about the pro abortion democrats.
Pro abortion? Is there anyone in congress that is pro abortion? Just upholding the law does not necessarily make one in favor of that law.
March 21, 2010 at 5:05 pm
huufc
12 trillion dollars in debt, 1.5 trillion dollar defcit, over 100 trillion dollars unfunded promises to social security and medicare, now this, federal takeover of health care paid for with what?
30 million more covered by health insurance, who will pay for it?
Almost 60% of americans pay no federal taxes,they dont make enough money, how will they pay for the new insurance? They wont.
What a scam with a pack of liars in Washington and so many people that believe them.
March 21, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Eric Kirk
The CBO says this will actually save the government a trillion dollars over, I think, 10 years. Of course, the CBO report is being criticized by both sides. Proponents argue that they left out factors which show that there would be additional savings. Opponents are claiming that they double-billed certain items and didn’t include the inevitable Medicare fix.
Either way, there’s much more to this bill than 30 million covered, although that’s a biggie.
March 21, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Andrew Bird
Obama inherited a $1.2 trillion debt the day he took office from George W. Bush. Did you complain when Bush was president?
March 21, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Andrew Bird
FOX: Obama to America — I Win, You Lose
March 21, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Andrew Bird
Bush speechwriter and conservative pundit:
Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.
It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they’ll compensate for today’s expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But:
(1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs.
No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal?
March 21, 2010 at 6:06 pm
anonymous
The Republican have cast their dye and will suffer horribly. They bet everything on shoving a rod into the spokes of health care reform but it managed to roll on in spite of them. Now they just look petty and mean. And that image will haunt them as the health care reforms continue to get fine tuned. They have taken themselves of any serious future discussions for a looooong time to come. Good Riddance. I long for responsible Republicans. Too bad this batch choose nihilism.
March 21, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Anonymous
It passed .. barely
March 21, 2010 at 6:54 pm
ED Denson
It was hard to tell what was going on, but I watched on CNN and the house passed the health care bill around 7:48 this evening. About time.
March 21, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Fred Mangels
This is horrific.
March 21, 2010 at 7:11 pm
Andrew Bird
That’s what Republicans said about Social Security in 1935 and Medicare in1965.
March 21, 2010 at 7:27 pm
milt
Yup, your Death Panel summons is in the mail, Fred. Better work on those pushups.
March 21, 2010 at 7:59 pm
anonymous
Quick Fred. Push the sofa against the door.
March 21, 2010 at 8:02 pm
huufc
Why yes I did complain, again who is going to pay for this nightmare?
Over 100 trillion dollars with no plan to pay for any of it.
And today more trillions piled on top of that.
What is going to happen?
March 21, 2010 at 8:20 pm
Eric Kirk
A large portion of it will be paid for by a 1 percent increase in the Medicare tax on people earning over 200 thousand per year. Unfortunately it only applies to earned income (although that does include bonuses), but it’s still a high yield revenue.
Also, we already pay something like 7 or 8 hundred billion a year for federal health care costs, and some of those will be offset by the plan.
The CBO scored the whole thing as deficit reduction in the long run. Probably you should consult that report.
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/113xx/doc11355/hr4872.pdf
March 21, 2010 at 8:28 pm
uninsured and self employed
O.K., the bill has passed. I’m hopeful that it may be a good thing overall, but like probably most Americans, I’m not sure quite how it will affect my own situation.
I am single with no dependents, currently uninsured and self-employed, with an annual taxable income of less that $20,000.
As I understand it, it contains a mandate that requires me to buy insurance from a private company.
So: How long do I have before I am REQUIRED to buy this coverage, how much will it cost, and what, if any, subsidy would I receive in exchange for requiring me to purchase insurance from a private company, which is something I would really rather not do (I would rather not be forced to place a chunk of my limited income and potential health-care dollars into insurance company overhead, CEO salaries and shareholder profits).
If I decide that I simply can’t pay the premiums for the plans that are available (even with the subsidies, if any), how much will the penalty be? When will it kick in, and how will they enforce it?
My concern it that I will remain uninsured, but now have to also spend money on a penalty for the privilege of remaining uninsured. Normally I get what little health care I get by paying cash, sometimes at a local clinic that has a sliding-scale. I know this is not a good long-term way to deal with health care, but I have had little choice. I make a bit too much money to qualify for Medical, but way too little to afford private insurance.
So, is this bill going to make things better for me or worse? And how long do I have before I’m not just uninsured, but “illegally” uninsured?
March 21, 2010 at 8:36 pm
uninsured and self employed
I’m pretty sure there are at least a few million Americans in situations similar to my own. None of us will be popping any champagne corks until we find out whether we’ll be able to get insured under this new plan, or whether we’ll just end up paying penalties AND remaining uninsured.
March 21, 2010 at 9:00 pm
hillmuffin
What a bunch of politics–could I have imagined anything less? The Repugs acting like its socialized medicine, the Dems heralding a “great breakthrough.” What a sick system, no pun intended.
March 21, 2010 at 9:07 pm
uninsured and self employed
A sick system that just got a little better, or a sick system that just got a little sicker? Time will tell.
March 21, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Anonymous
Yup. Absolutely nothing to gloat about here. Just enforced participation in the cartel system, or fines for refusing to do so.
The gloating of the fake liberals like Eric on this is disgusting.
March 22, 2010 at 5:32 am
Fred Mangels
The gloating of the fake liberals like Eric on this is disgusting.
Agreed.
March 22, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Snickerdoodles
And the extreme bitterness of rethuglicans is unwarranted. They chose not to participate and it passed despite them. Frum has called it. Waterloo.
They should rebrand themselves as the New Whig party.
@Uninsured: this reform will establish a national pool of people like you – lowering costs for all. The reform also includes the GOP proposed mandate, which requires you to buy coverage. But it doesn’t kick in until 2014, and for low-income brackets a tax subsidy will offset much of the insurance costs.
This bill – like all legislation – has flaws. It’s also a huge step in a direction that will make the lives of millions of Americans less painful, happier and more prosperous. Try running against that for the next two decades (cuz it didn’t work for you from 1948 to ’82).
We’lll pwn you. W00t! (which means wake up and smell the 21st century!)
Aquarius Rises!
March 22, 2010 at 9:22 pm
ED Denson
You seem to have 2 7th addenda (dums?)