Santa brought my 5 year old daughter a DVD copy of the old movie Benji, about a little dog who aids in the rescue of two little kids from a kidnapping. I’m not sure if I saw it as a kid. If I did, I must have blocked out the scene where one of the bad guys kicks a dog (Benji’s girlfriend) and causes her to bleed. Plus the kids got shoved around and there were a couple of scary gun scenes. Lilith handled it fine, but I spoke to a friend of mine tonight who said that her kids were very upset by the scene.
I don’t know that it’s such a big deal. It’s real, and many kids see similar or worse acts in real life. The film makes it clear that the action is way out of line and suggests that if people work together, justice can be done and repeat performances averted. I tend to think we assume our kids are so fragile that we not only underestimate them, but we do them a disservice. It’s a sweet movie, and managed to depict kids and dogs without making them too cute and/or bratty; just cute and bratty enough. The harshness of the story is brief, and I doubt anybody who watches it as a kid is in therapy for the experience.
That being said, I do have to wonder about some kids movies. It’s true that children’s fables used to be much harder edged. For instance, Grandma and Little Red actually didn’t survive being eaten in the original fable. You took what comfort you could find in the fact that the woodcutter gave the wolf his just desserts at the end of the story. And even into modernity, we teach our kids songs about babies falling out of trees and even mass death due to the Black Plague (All fall down!).
And we had overt racism in Dumbo, but it was a product of the times and it has plenty of redeeming qualities. Mom was shot and killed in Bambi, and Dad was killed in the Lion King, but these were integral to very good stories and most kids could handle it. Some of the other kids’ movies were scary, like Snow White and Jack and the Bean Stalk, but only just enough. I don’t have too many complaints of movies made before I was born or shortly thereafter (with a couple of exceptions noted below).
The seventies were a little bit loose in some respects. The all-child cast of Bugsy Malone softened the violent gangster themes by replacing bullets with whipped cream.
But there was a bit of an outcry over the fact that 14 year old girls played this scene.
Parents did assert some control over television. To the major disappointment of comic book reading kids the fights between the Superfriends and the Legion of Doom were ridiculously tame. Nobody ever threw a punch or did anything violent. There were rays emitted from weapons which sort of put a rival to sleep, or otherwise immobilized him/her – nothing which could result in bruising.
Now compare that with the more recent rendition of the Justice League. Here Wonder Woman’s mind is controlled by the bad guys and she’s forced to fight four of her fellow female team members in some sort of arena. Plenty of suggestion of bruises even for super powered women, and the scene climaxes with one of the heroins actually threatening the life of a bad guy. Granted, this latter cartoon is intended for older kids.
While the media won’t have the racy scenes of children in films like Bugsy Malone or The Blue Lagoon, there doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of restraint when it comes to violence. At least they don’t show the blood. Yet.
But even setting aside overt violence, sexual innuendo, and other themes arguably questionable for child entertainment – there are kid movies which creeped me out as a kid, or would have had I seen them at the time. I think about them now wondering what the writers and/or directors were thinking. A few examples are discussed below the fold.
Pinnochio. Okay, at least the watered down Disney version left out the part in which the would-be boy kills, yes…. kills Jiminy Cricket and is then haunted by the bug for the rest of his life. Yes, the cricket was supposed to be a ghost.
But the movie does include a scene where the evil fox sells Pinocchio into slavery where he and other kids are turned into donkeys as the kids scream for their mothers. The kids become donkeys because of their own moral shortcomings, so you can take comfort in the suggestion of at least one commentator that the scene is an allegory for Hell, and that kids being born to original sin and failing to take the necessary steps towards salvation will face eternal torment should they die sans the requisite grace. Hence, though Pinocchio himself escapes, the story contains no rescue for his friends.
But the movie is merciful in sparing us the scene where the donkey ears and tail are eaten from his body by piranhas. You have to read the novel for that.
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Did this guy not give you nightmares?
Return to Oz. No singing or dancing. Loosely based upon the sequel novel The Land of Oz, the story has Dorothy return to Oz destroyed with weird creatures trying to kill her. The villainess is Mombi, who has a body which can change heads and she’s got like 20 of them to choose from. So in this scene Dorothy tries to steal some magic powder and 20 heads wake up in time to screech at her as the headless body chases her through the room. A giggle a minute for a five year old.
The Never Ending Story. Lots of fun here too. Grotesque monsters chasing the kid throughout the movie, but the real upper is this scene where his beloved horse Artax dies a slow tear-jerking death in, yes, the Swamp of Sadness.
The Dark Crystal. Innovative, but just… creepy.
Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. The recent version was bizarre, but too boring and awkward to really scare a kid. Parents who followed the Michael Jackson stories maybe, but not kids. But the old version was a great movie, except for this scene. I never understood why it was included.
Watership Down. I know it’s really not for kids, but it was marketed that way. Lots of bloody bunnies – fun for the whole family!
Any others come to mind?

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December 28, 2009 at 6:33 am
AJ
They took Polar Express, a sweet picture book for Santa believers, and turned it into a toddler horror film about a night train that brings its young passengers to the brink of death again and again and again… it’s appropriate for a much older audience seeking a roller coaster ride.
December 28, 2009 at 7:27 am
Anonymous
It seems that lately you’ve just been posting video clips instead of writing something ????
Why bother
December 28, 2009 at 8:53 am
Moonshadow
personally I think we give our kids too little credit.
You survived those films, I did, Jana did, and so did many others. The truth is that without the lessons of the fables (eg: Grimm’s Fairy Tales) and other such stories there are few ways of easing the kids into a world that is not big bowl of cherries. The real issue should be, what is the appropriate age to introduce what story? One problem today is that parents would rather pop a tape/DVD into the player and let it play nanny to the kids.
As for Watership Down . . . I read that in middle school and it actually helped form the foundation for my environmentalism . . . I still have my copy from then.
We can’t have a perfect world and shouldn’t try to delude our kids in that regard.
December 28, 2009 at 9:22 am
moviedad
What gets me is when I hear very young children referencing movies like ‘Scarface’. I raised my son and step-daughter on Land Before Time and Toy Story.
The Media empire controlled by the ruling class seems to be in the business of ‘dumbing down’ our children and at the same time making them immune to violence and cruelty. I guess if I wanted to be paranoid I could say that they are preparing them for a life of total warfare. Much like the 60′s when every other show on TV was about gun-violence and war. let’s see ….
Bonanza, High Chapparal, Wanted, dead or alive, Have Gun-Will Travel, Big Valley, The Rifleman, Combat, just to name a few. I have an old poem somehere that has many, many more listed. Anyway, you get the idea. My cousin and I grew up being groomed for war in Viet Nam, and of course we both dutifully enlisted into the armed forces on our 17th birthdays. Same as now with Warcraft, Call to Duty, and any others you care to name.
December 28, 2009 at 10:48 am
Eric Kirk
True Moonshadow. But most kids won’t experience anything like 20 shrieking heads and a headless body chasing them, except maybe in their nightmares after watching the thing.
Still, arguably the Child Catcher scene in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang literally teaches kids not to take candy from strangers.
December 28, 2009 at 10:51 am
Eric Kirk
I haven’t seen that one, though my kids have.
December 28, 2009 at 10:53 am
Eric Kirk
I think I did write something in this post. The videos are just to illustrate some of the points. You can probably ignore them and still get the point. Or not. It’s up to you.
December 28, 2009 at 10:55 am
Eric Kirk
Mama died in the Land Before Time too.
Unfortunately, it’s hard to protect kids from movies like Scarface when it plays during after school hours. I can control our television, but my son has seen some weird things at other peoples’ homes. I’m also a little frustrated in that I want my kids to read the Tolkien novels before they see the movies, but there are too many other parents for whom it isn’t an issue and I’m not about to stop sleepovers over it.
December 28, 2009 at 11:25 am
godknot
Return to Oz was a Tim Burton movie. I know a lot of people who are eager to see his Alice in Wonderland, but the advance pix just look like another of his gruesome takes on familiar literature, as if all the characters were deformed mutants escaped from a high security asylum. Not every single day, or every thing can be lensed through Hallowe’en.
December 28, 2009 at 11:38 am
Anonymous
Wow! Wonder Woman sure kicks ass. I didn’t even know she could fly. Linda Carter needed an invisible airplane.
Burton is a one trick pony. Just like Tarantino.
December 28, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Moonshadow
I think the key here is for parents to exercise good judgement in which films they allow their kids to see. There is an appropriate age for every film out there . . . films and television shows are not babysitters. If a parent doesn’t think their child can handle a film then they should not show it to them, or should not allow them to see it.
For as long as there has been print and visual media (and before in oral traditions) there have been scary and terrifying stories that served a purpose. Sometimes the purpose was to impart a moral and other times the purpose was cautionary.
Moviedad mentions the Westerns of the 60′s and 70′s and things like Warcraft that we have now. In some cases the purpose is entertainment and in others I’m sure there may be an underlying agenda . . . tho’ I think we might be ascribing too much intent on the part of Hollywood, whose primary purpose is to make lots of money. What I’m saying is that I don’t see that it is really much different from when we were kids it is just that the parameters of the medium in which these stories are expressed has changed. That medium must seem to us more graphic in the same way the films of our own era must have seemed to our parents and grandparents.
We need to deconstruct the underlying story . . . and . . . we need to consider the responsibilities of the parents in how their kids are exposed to all this.
December 28, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Moonshadow
I hear ya about wanting them to read the Tolkien novels before seeing the films. The books were/are a magical experience for me (I still have the copies I read oh so many years ago) . . . but that was our era and we have to realize we may not be able to control things such that they are exposed to the books first.
What is really most important are the conversations you and Jana have with your kids when they see, or read, these things. It is through those interactions that your own lens on the world can help them to be the people you’d like them to be.
December 28, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Anonymous
The bar scene there with Jodie Foster is inappropriate. She was only 12 and at the risk of coming across as a prude I do think sexuality is pushed on kids too heavily too early. I have been a little horrified at what I saw at dances at the Mateel. I’m not for the old “four inch rule” but some boundaries are appropriate.
December 28, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Cristina
You could argue that almost EVERY director is a “one-trick pony,” since his/her personal loves, hates, and obsessions will be filtered through film, regardless of plot. For Tim Burton, it’s his dark/gothic-with-a-touch-of-humor/spice vision of the world. For Woody Allen, it’s his obsession with sexual matters. For Adrian Lyne, it’s his REALLY sick obsession with infidelity. For Robert Altman, it was about the vast diversity of people who bump and clash into each other throughout life, but rarely communicate on a more than superficial level. What we love about them is their unique vision. So what if some of it gets repeated from one work to the next? I’d rather have that personal stamp on a film than the latest (based on a toy/based on a TV series/based on a movie that came out two years ago/based on a European movie that we’ll now massacre) overbudgeted, superficial concoction Hollywood devises.
December 28, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Moonshadow
Hmmmmmm brings back memories . . . not of this particular film, but of the old adage that with age we begin to sound just like our parents did . . . and grandparents before them.
December 28, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Anonymous
Okay in that wonder woman video I recognize hawk girl and black canary. I assume the woman in the dark suit is bat girl. But who is the black woman in the orange tights and what can she do? I miss the simple comic books of my childhood.
December 28, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Moonshadow
Hear hear!
December 28, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Gordon Inkeles
“A Christmas Carol,” like most of Dickens, wallows in sadism and generally icky stuff for most of the play/movie. But for some reason, millions of kids get forced marched though it every year.
December 28, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Anonymous
seems like most/all movies are to numb us/kids to the atrocities/realities of life. numb to violence, numb to death(anyones), numb to poverty, numb to pain(anythings). they want us compassion-less because it’s all about war, war, war, always has been, always will be.
December 28, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Eric Kirk
Did you see this version?
http://humboldtherald.wordpress.com/2009/12/24/merry-christmas-scrooge/
December 28, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Eric Kirk
Well I’ve consulted my resident 8 year old expert on all things superhero. I don’t remember her from my childhood comic books either but her name is “Vixen.” Translating the explanation as best I can she is some sort of shaman who channels animal spirits employing their strengths and abilities. When a task requires that she focus on one animal’s ability the spirit briefly becomes visible and sometimes audible.
There is risk however whenever she focuses so intensely that she will also incorporate the animal’s behavior and lose control however briefly. For instance, in my son’s words, “she can become mean like a lion and go too far.”
The dark haired heroin by the way is the Huntress with no relation to Bat Girl.
I also miss the old simplicity. And the newsprint instead of the expensive glossy stuff. You got more pages and more story. And the younger kids’ comic books are gone. No more Caspar. No more Uncle Scrooge.
December 28, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Anonymous
When I was a kid (in the 50′s), I HATED walt disney and thought that he really hated kids. Dumbo might have been the first movie that I ever saw and it broke my heart, so did Bambi. Cruel and sadistic and it was really creepy that disney seemed to be the big hearted cruel sadist that we were supposed to love cause he made movies for kids.
Don’t you remember?
Some years ago I read an article in Rolling Stone by a lieutenant colonel who said that video games were designed specifically to raise the “kill rate” willingness of future soldiers. It seems to go against nature to kill someone else just because you’re told to. Hence, video games that spatter blood on the person playing em. It’s fun and addictive!
Desensitize the children so they don’t know what they are feeling. Ah, you shouldn’t feel that way. Don’t cry, it’s just a story. The horse didn’t really drown.
December 28, 2009 at 7:34 pm
moviedad
I still have PTSD from “Pan’s Labyrinth” Killing a son in front of the father conjures up real horror stories from places like Guatemala, and Franco Spain. I could do without that memory.
December 28, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Anonymous
Eric, it’s heroine, not heroin. (For a minute I thought we were talking about something really interesting.)
December 28, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Eric Kirk
I always get them mixed up, but I guess the “e” looks a little more feminine.
But what’s at all interesting about the topic of the drug? Not really much to say about it.
December 28, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Anonymous
I don’t recognize most of the faces. Heraldo should include a cast listing.
December 28, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Anonymous
Pan’s Labyrinth is not a kid’s movie!
December 28, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Eric Kirk
Definitely not!
December 29, 2009 at 12:22 am
godknot
Pan’s Labyrinth is hailed as a modern classic: I was horrified, too. I think that director is going to direct the upcoming ‘Hobbit’ movies (yes, two of them).
December 29, 2009 at 12:28 am
Tallulah fan
Is that Jodie Foster’s voice in the video?
December 29, 2009 at 8:44 am
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December 29, 2009 at 9:38 am
Anonymous
they are not called “grimm” fairy tales for nothing.
December 29, 2009 at 10:49 am
Eric Kirk
I don’t think so.
December 29, 2009 at 10:50 am
Eric Kirk
Well, I was horrified by the people, not the monsters so much. Except that blind one who went after the girl for eating the grapes.
December 29, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Anonymous
The clip with Jody Foster is over the top. It definitely wouldn’t be allowed today. Not with all of the controversy over child porn.
December 29, 2009 at 6:28 pm
A long way since Emma Peel
Watching that “Justice League” video I understand your concern about the level of violence. But there was a time when you would not have seen five women depicted as fighters so present in their bodies. There is a certain positive aspect in it for young girls, which might even be the point of that particular storyline.
December 30, 2009 at 10:33 am
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December 30, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Eric Kirk
I missed this one. Present in their bodies? I guess if works if you’re present with super strength.
Emma Peel was my first crush by the way – at 5 years old. She was awesome. She didn’t have to be born to Greek Gods, or be a super strong alien with wings. She was just awesome.
She’s still great on Masterpiece Theater.
January 4, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Allison
Wow, I saw most of those movies as a child!
Benji I don’t remember being scary and I loved Chitty chitty bang bang but don’t remember the child catcher at all so I guess he didn’t creep me out then. Dark Crystal had me run screaming from the room in the first few minutes. I hid behind the couch for half of the Never Ending Story. I hated both Return to Oz and Willy Wonka.
You forgot Labyrinth! I had nightmares about someone wishing the trolls would take me for years.
Also there are a whole bunch of Rankin/Bass animated movies like the Hobbit and The last Unicorn that were awesome but scared the crap out of me as a kid.
Despite all that I do think some of those are really great movies and I do plan to show them to my son someday but when he is older and unlike my parents I have the advantage of being able to discuss the scary bits before hand with him since I have already seen them.
January 4, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Eric Kirk
Labyrinth, the one with David Bowie? I’d forgotten about that one!
As for Benji, it wasn’t that it was scary. It was that a dog got kicked until it was lying on the floor bleeding.
May 11, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Anonymous
The bar scene there with Jodie Foster is inappropriate. She was only 12 and at the risk of coming across as a prude I do think sexuality is pushed on kids too heavily too early. I have been a little horrified at what I saw at dances at the Mateel. I’m not for the old “four inch rule” but some boundaries are appropriate.
She was actually 14. Does that make a difference?