Not too much new information. They interviewed Dennis.
Attached to the article, so far, is but one comment:
Some things are better left alone and this is one of those things.
I don’t know what this means exactly, but as Mark Lovelace pointed out on Tuesday, and as was quoted in the article, the property isn’t really protected from development now. “Leaving it alone” isn’t a likely option. Currently it’s zoned for potential small parcel division, and potentially a home on every 5 to 20 acres. If the park proposal is granted, that zoning will be history.
Just saying.
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November 12, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Anonymous
My favorite comment in the hearing was when David Cobb pointed to Estelle and said “when Democracy Unlimited and HumCPR agree on something you should listen!”
November 12, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Benbow Dammed
”What we’re saying is we’re willing to let them ask the question,” 2nd District Supervisor Clif Clendenen said Wednesday.
what an idiot……….we don’t pay him to “allow” us to ask questions. From day one, clendenans been completely out of touch
November 12, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Eric Kirk
Well, actually in this process we do.
November 13, 2009 at 11:01 am
edsvoice
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Eric, do you think this link is related to this thread?
November 12, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Anonymous
Did HumCPR support the Petition? Or was there ED just speaking for herself? I think Cob just likes to hear himself talk. For as much as there was people making comments about the first speakers words, about the Park being all of Humboldt County, why is it that SoHum likes NoHum’s Dave Cobb.
He has only been in Humboldt since after the Park was purchased. Makes you wonder why he was there, other that a PR stunt for his new friend and Board member Huber? Talk show host’s, can’t live with them, can live without them.
I would like to know if Democracy Unlimited does support the Park Board or is that just Dave Cobb. Anything to get your name out there, right Dave!
November 12, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Anonymous
The park was paid for by southern humboldt residents, was it not?I don’t ever remember when the money was first being gathered together by Steve Dazey, him saying it was a park for all of humboldt. It was portrayed as a southern humboldt entity. Why the change all the sudden? David Cobb can be a real horses patoot, a whole bunch of the time, just like estelle.
November 12, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Anonymous
Yes. We should bar entry to the park to everyone living north of Weott.
November 13, 2009 at 9:04 am
Anonymous
What about South and East, don’t think we need to worry about west. What is SOHUM, is it just the ET or is it Clif’s District that makes up SOHUM. The County has said, that Garberville, Redway, Benbow and Alderpoint are what make up the community, bcause they call it the PLAN.
The Park can be a great thing, but only if it was concived in good intenshends. And it is very oveus now what this Park was used for. Things are not what they seem, that is a fact jack.
I also think, that when people go over the top to explain to other people what is wrong, they need to do this, in order for people to understand and hear what is being said (did that make sense)
Sounds to me like the park BOD has burnt down a lot of bridges in just 9 years. How do they think they can keep the public out and still get what they want, in public?
November 13, 2009 at 9:09 am
Anonymous
Nothing is what it seems Scully!
November 12, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Anonymous
Benbow Damned, that is exactly what the BOS said by accepting the petition, the conversation goes forward. If the petition had been denied, the BOD of the park could have re-submitted another petition in a year from now, the park would stay as it is now, and the process would go forward later. You are the one out of touch, just trying to dis Clif.
November 12, 2009 at 7:23 pm
sandy feretto
Eric, which of the comments that I made did you feel were over the top?
November 12, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Eric Kirk
The discussion is in the thread down the page.
http://kunsoo1024.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/board-of-supes-agreed-to-accept-the-park-rezoning-petition/#comments
November 13, 2009 at 8:43 pm
an only mouse
i don’t get it, why is benbow damned by the park’s petition? i don’t undertnd any of that.
i think the park is great. i hate to see some of the more developed development take place, but i do not know what they need to earn to keep the thing afloat financially. i see a lot of money go in down there. how much does each of those disc golf “holes” run? how do they pay the people who have put those in? the people who carve in and then maintain the trails i love so much? a lot of other jobs that i don’t notice?
i think the least invasive money maker is renting to production companies. i also like music and live in the area and feel like we could wrange tickets as a reward for our inconveniecne a dozen or so times a year. i way like concerts better than asbestos ridden gravel mines and i am not going to get any free gravel.
i’ll be bummed to see housing and formal fields go in there, but i think we can talk it out and consider the needs/benefits if we just focus on the positive and calmly plan for mitigating problems.
eric remembers what i do from news of the day. that park prevented fairly dense housing from going in there. and the park is used, loved, needed.
i am surprised we aren’t saying “thank you” and “how can I help?” more often.
November 14, 2009 at 6:52 am
Anonymous
Morning “an only mouse”
What you said was a good start, but I feel we need more accountability and transparency from the Park Board.
The Park Board needs to stop being so defensive; this is nothing personal, its just business. When your business can’t survive someone needs to ask the question why and then try ways to make it work. This Park Board has had 9 plus years to make it work, with no accountability for there actions. It is one thing to be proud of what you have achieved, but another to see it become another financial ruin or burden to this Community. It’s like dealing with your teenage kids; they keep asking for money, until you sit them down and say, this is not working, you are going to nickel and dime me to death. As long as nobody stops it, it will continue.
I am no expert on all of the Park Board stuff, but I guess you could say I have been following it to some degree for one reason or another and would hope I can make some suggestion and educate people about a couple of facts if needed.
As I saw first hand in any of the so called Planning meeting this year with the Park Board, if anyone had hard questions about what they needed or wanted to do (and there were many) they were told “we will worry about that later” or “We will work that out later”. This tells me there is no plan for the Park Boards Plan. This is what Haphazard Development means.
1st) Before anything else moves forward and anymore changes take place at the Park, I still feel the Park Board should put the Community Park into a trust for the Community as it is so named for.
2nd) The Community needs to know and understand about the Park Boards financial records and budget.
3rd) Even thought the Park Board is a non=profit, it is still a corporation and as such needs to be operated as a business with some kind of accountability and public record keeping system in place as mandated by law and commonsense. In as much, this community is the stockholder for the Community Park and it’s Board of Directors.
4th) We need to allow the Park Board to operate the Park, but also at the same time, be able to ask question and get answers as they come up, not wait until it comes to a head.
All of these things need to take place, before anyone can sit down and talk about the zoning and land use changes the Park Board is requesting at this time. It just seems that in the beginning of this Community Park idea the community was rushed and now we are being told we have to hurry up again.
We all need to sit down and find out why the Park is in such a pickle before moving forward and spending any more public money. Does this make any kind of sense? And will it work?
Thanks
November 14, 2009 at 10:56 am
Eric Kirk
Well, I’ve offered a discussion about pretty much anything you want to discuss, but so far no takers. Dennis and I will renew the offer Monday morning at 7:30.
We will certainly entertain any reasonable suggestions, but as you know the rezoning process is already underway, so if you want to make constructive input you will have the opportunity. But I strongly suggest that you don’t do what opponents did on Tuesday and attack the park board with the kitchen sink approach. I think it really backfired.
November 14, 2009 at 12:48 pm
edsvoice
Sorry Eric,
The post above (November 14, 2009 at 6:52 am, Morning “an only mouse”) was from me, I was on another laptop and I forgot to log on.
Anyway, you don’t consider my post to “an only mouse” what you and Dennis are looking for?
You know, maybe I am missing something here, or I am too thick or too blonde, something is missing, please let me know what it is?
I would also like to point out to you Eric, all the people who spoke in public on Tuesday did a good job, for or against the petition. But if you are only going to single out people you don’t agree with and spread rumor that they attacked anyone with what you call the kitchen sink approach, you have got another thing coming.
Here, let me give you one example of what you call the kitchen sink approach (KSA); lets take me, speaking to the BOS at the Tuesday hearing, is what I stated included in your KSA?
See I don’t know you, and I don’t know if you don;t have a clue, that what you said:
“But I strongly suggest that you don’t do what opponents did on Tuesday and attack the park board with the kitchen sink approach. I think it really backfired”
To me and other people I have talked with, you are way out of line, you are telling people they can’t speak in public, they can’t speak about what’s on their mind. This goes back to what Kathryn Lobato would always tell people in meetings at the end of last year and this year “We need to stop writing letters to the editor about the Park” or something very close to that.
I’m sorry, I don’t care who you are, you don’t tell people or the public what they can or cannot say. If you have a problem with what they said, sue them for defamation or vilification, but don’t tell the public what to do or say, you are not my keeper. I mean look at what happened at that Tuesday meeting, that group speaking to BOS Smith and the rest of them, would you call what they said KSA. I thought the BOS did a good job in handling it. They sure the hell did not keep them from speaking their mind or tell them to stop just because they didn’t like what they said.
I don’t know what you expect from your blog, hundreds of people all giving you there thoughts. With your KSA remark, I would not blame them at all.
Hey, and thanks for doing this, it is making a big difference.
Ed Voice & Voice family
November 14, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Eric Kirk
Hey, it ’s just my opinion. You’re free to do what you want. But I think you and the neighbors have some legitimate concerns and some obsessions which I would consider distractions. You will have ample opportunity for constructive input on the rezoning. What you do with the opportunity is ultimately your business, but I sincerely hope you take constructive advantage of it.
November 14, 2009 at 2:18 pm
edsvoice
Eric,
“but as you know the rezoning process is already underway”
Please take this the wrong way, you are giving incorrect information out to the public, where is the fire. You are rushing things.
Here is why; After the BOS staff scan all the written public testimony from the hearing on Nov 10th, then make all of the changes to the Planning staff report, document what Supervisor asked for what chance to the petition staff report and whom voted or approved what on what item, it will go back before the BOS on December 1st for approve of all the changes, make sure the i’s are dotted and T’s are crossed, then the BOS votes to accept the petition with changes or adds more and or has more discussions. The petition is not a done deal until the BOS approves all the final changes, then you can say: “but as you know the rezoning process is already underway” .
I had called Kathy Hayes in the BOS office yesterday, asking her when all the written public testimony will be on line to view, scan or print and the above is what she told me.
November 14, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Eric Kirk
“With that I would move that we accept the petition by approving the attached resolution based on the findings in the staff report and the testimony received about the project.”
That was Clif’s motion. The motion was later amended to order an EIR (skipping the initial environmental review to determine whether an EIR is necessary), with the scope to be determined later. The motion was also amended to remove one of the staff findings, namely that the transfer of title to a nonprofit corporation was a “base change in conditions” which would be a factor in determining that the rezoning is in the public interest. Mark raised the objection and Clif agreed to include the omission of that particular finding in the motion. The motion carried unanimously and the petition was accepted.
I have no idea what Kathy Hayes told you, but that’s what happened on Tuesday.
November 14, 2009 at 3:56 pm
edsvoice
Now that was much better, Director Kirk,
You need to know, you are now a Board member of a 501c3 public benefit non-profit. You need to remember that and also remind the other board members as well, better coming from you, than a member of the public.
What this board is under taking will be scrutinized under a microscope. The biggest thing, get it right. Don’t be in such a hurry, that you forget to turn the coffee pot off.
Ed
November 14, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Eric Kirk
We’re a 501c3. Got it.
Next?
November 15, 2009 at 7:28 am
Anonymous
Eric,
To be as up front with you as I can, this blog format does not work, e.g. This reply to your “Next?” reply to my “coffee pot” reply etc etc.
My “coffee pot” reply was for your reply 6 posts ago, I have know idea what you are commenting to.
I have tried, but a blog is not the place to debate public issues. This debate needs to be heard in a town hall style public meeting. I will listen to MMM on KMUD, see if that forum will work. I am always open, I only deal in documented facts. I look forward to the Community Park EIR process and asking direct questions of the Park Board.
Again, the only problem I have with the radio side of the debate, is the host has control over what is asked and answered, again this is why I don’t think it will work, but I am willing to give it a try.
November 15, 2009 at 9:54 am
Eric Kirk
What we’re proposing is a face-to-face meeting with the neighbors, “town hall style” or whatever. My experience of Southern Humboldt town hall meetings is that they are a waste of time, devolving very quickly into shouting matches and bitch sessions. That has been my experience whether it was used for KMUD, the Mateel, or anything – every single time. But Dennis and I are willing to do it.
Basically we’ll call for a public meeting with the neighbors, but anyone can show up. We wouldn’t be asking for “our side” to show up. This would strictly be a meeting to air grievances.
These blog discussions and the radio show are just intended to initiate the discussion.
November 14, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Anonymous
I agree with this. Especially about putting the park in a trust for/to the community.NOT in the hands of a private corporation. The park board should have also include people on the board who are on the opposite side of the fence, for the WHOLE picture. They have had no accountability, no responsibilty, and look where we are. A million plus dollars down the road in the last nine years, illegal events happening at the park, and they want us to trust them with a housing element? Who will decide who gets to build, and live there? Steve Dazey? I am against housing in the park, anyway, and large loud concerts. It was asked before, I’ll ask it again, if there is nothing to hide, why is the park board hiding information?
November 14, 2009 at 2:45 pm
anon
please keep it a private park open to the public or the crazies will bring it down…exhibit A and B are all over the place…
November 14, 2009 at 2:59 pm
edsvoice
“Dennis and I will renew the offer Monday morning at 7:30″
So I take it, you will be taking about this on Monday Morning Magazine?
Will you guys take phone in questions?
News flash…Could it be, the public notification that Eric Kirk is the newest Shadowy Park Board member? Stay tuned, KMUD New at 6:00 pm.
November 14, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Eric Kirk
We will be inviting all concerned members of the community to discuss their objections to the rezoning, and raise any other issues they have with the board. I think we’ll be taking calls, but I’ll check with Dennis before making that a promise – the show being his after all.
November 15, 2009 at 7:30 am
edsvoice
Flock, I did it again, That was me just a second ago, forgot to log in……………..
November 15, 2009 at 9:09 am
edsvoice
Things we can bring up on Monday Morning Magazine with its host Dennis Huber (Park Board member) and guest Eric Kirk, noted blog master (SoHum Parlance II and newest Shadowy Park Board member) on KMUD public radio, Nov 16th from 7am to 9am.
Please add your own thoughts and ideas, pro or con.
The fact is, not only does the community of So Hum have the right to ask questions, but also in fact they are the stockholders of the Park. After all, the Park Board is a Corporation, a non-profit, but a corporation never the less. This community donated to have this Park, not as a concert venue, not for any kind of housing development, but as a working farm and a Park.
Do you know, that in the Plans for changing the zoning and land use for the Park, the Park Board wants to allow parked for events down on the River Bar, on their property across the River, where they lease to a instream gravel extraction and cement/concrete ready mix operation aka Randall Sand & Gravel? They never mentioned this on Nov 10th, or any other meetings, only talked about hauling people into the Park from town, “because we are really good at that” (meaning the Mateel).
Do you know, that the Park Board wants to use the Organic Certified Hay fields for Parking lots as well?
These and many more plans are already on the table. People in this community need to know what is being done. The Park Board and the Mateel may call it Summer Arts, but the Music Festival side of the show is nothing but Reggae on the River, a staged 2 day Concert/Festival. Here is how the Mateel explains Summer Arts on their web site:
“SAMF consistently attracts over 10,000 people to our area throughout the weekend. Last year we featured over 120 acts on 4 stages, more than 120 craft and food booths, a fine arts display, workshops, demonstrations, parades, a variety of fun activities for children, fantastic food and regionally made beers, wine and beverages. As Humboldt County’s premier celebration of music and the arts, SAMF is an excellent venue for businesses to get maximum exposure for their advertising”
The fact is I am all for this Park, as a Park. Not a development site for people outside this community to make money. And that is what we are heading too.
I will leave you with this thought, if the Park is still in debt and are busted broke, property still unpaid, where do you come up with $50K to $100K to get the property rezoned and land Use changed? For the last 9 years, the property has not been paid off; the Park has always lived in debt. Maybe if you saw their records and saw were the money has gone, instead of into the Park property and its debt, you could more understand my side of the story.
Bottom line, short and sweet, The Southern Humboldt Community Park Inc, is nothing but another private corporation looking out for its own investors, Board members and hiding behind their own Corporate vale as an non-profit.
Thank you,
Ed Voice & Voice Family
Garberville, Ca
SoHum since 1961
Neighbor & Home owner since 1966
South Fork High School, class of 1975
November 15, 2009 at 9:59 am
Eric Kirk
7:30 to 8:00 am Ed. We’ll just be getting our feet wet. I have to be in Eureka at nine. Day job.
November 15, 2009 at 10:11 am
anon
so there might be some concerts and some noise…there is something called the greater good…i live by the park but i’m not going to try to dictate what goes on there…i go there everyday and if it stayed just as it is it would satisfy my needs…i don’t think SAF needs to be there, why? so the hapless hippies about to be legalized out of their livihood can smoke our “medicine” more openly? benbow is fine for the faire…but if it moves to the comm park, whatever, i can take it…
housing? not into it but i have a house…if its needed to help pay off the park, really needed, well, then OK…
so Ed wants a Voice in this–he sounds like a pretty smart funny guy, not sure if he’ll ever be satisfied though…
November 15, 2009 at 10:32 am
Eric Kirk
According to Syd Lehman on Tuesday, Benbow could close at any minute.
November 15, 2009 at 10:13 am
anon
“Bottom line, short and sweet, The Southern Humboldt Community Park Inc, is nothing but another private corporation looking out for its own investors.”
what’s wrong with that?
November 15, 2009 at 10:23 am
anonymous
ERIC, I have three questions for your Monday AM show about the CP.
When Steve Dazey first proposed the CP idea – prior to the close of escrow on 10/17/00 – he stated in the press that one of the intentions was for the CP board to actually give away sections of the park to those community organizations that had the ability to develop it for their needs. Obviously, if schools or a hospital were eventually built down there it would have to be their own property. Correct?
Reading the 10/18/00 donor’s letter draft posted on the website he expands on this idea, to wit:
We picture that the early park development will proceed very slowly. The
Board of the new non-profit would probably want to commission one or
more “20 year concept plans” to integrate future developrnent. They could
then entertain proposals from advocate groups, matching reasonable
proposals with suitable sites, and perhaps offer help with plans, designs,
permits, and grant applications. The Board would require each proposal
to be well designed, well built, well maintained AND SELF FUNDED,
including the added cost of liability insurance. This self-funded approach/
born of necessity, also has the effect of diffusing the bulk of potential
controversy over what is developed: what is developed is what is
compatible with the evolving park concept and what the advocates
themselves have tirne, money, energy, and imagination to accomplish.
Hopefully, interested youth would be involved in each step of the process,
empowering them with additional skills to achieve their life goals.
Yet, this expansion of intent falls short of actually saying anything about deeding land to those community organizations or advocacy groups.
My question in view of all of the above is, what is the present intention of the CP board as per actual deeding, leasing, what have you, of park lands now, and more specifically, what “20 year concept plans”, have been commissioned so far?
The follow up question to that would be, shouldn’t the adaptation of any 20 year concept plan, if any was done in the last eight years, be attached or incorporated into to your zoning change petition?
Last.
What time does that KMUD program begin?
November 15, 2009 at 10:31 am
Eric Kirk
I don’t know of any current plans to deed or long term lease any part of the property to other entities, except of course the senior or other specialized housing which would obviously involve rental agreements of some sort. But I’ll inquire.
I’ll be on with Dennis from 7:30 to 8:00. I haven’t really discussed in detail with Dennis what we’ll do with the half hour.
November 20, 2009 at 5:49 am
an only mouse
and please don’t. less development is the best development.
gracias
November 15, 2009 at 11:41 am
the last stone
“The fact is, not only does the community of So Hum have the right to ask questions, but also in fact they are the stockholders of the Park. After all, the Park Board is a Corporation, a non-profit, but a corporation never the less. This community donated to have this Park, not as a concert venue, not for any kind of housing development, but as a working farm and a Park.”
You use the word fact so loosely as to give it no meaning. Your post could be entitled:
Area man passionate defender of what he imagines a community based non-profit park to be…
November 15, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Anonymous
It sounds like the park has to make about $1000 per day to make it. Is this about accurate?
How much is owed on the note still, to McKee? How much interest is paid on the note each month? Are there still interest only notes being paid, if so, how much and what is the principle still left? Who are all the people being paid.
How much is Kathryn Lobato paid a year, and how is she paid? By money donated to the park, or by the corporation?
Where did the funds come from to start the corporation?
How many employees are there, and what are they paid?
How much is the yearly insurance?
What is co-mingling of funds, and is that what is happening here?
Who are the owners of the corporation, the President, V.P., CEO, etc. etc.,
A complete accounting of money that has been taken in, where and how it was spent, for the last 9 years.
November 16, 2009 at 10:40 am
edsvoice
The Park Board has stated in public, the operating cost of the Park is around $70K a year. But they have never publicly presented any documents to justify that. Other than what the public has been able to find or piece together on their own through the: State AG’s office, IRS, County & State PRA requests, FOIA requests, Humboldt Area Foundation, County Headwaters Fund etc etc.
If you go to the Parks web site, you can see their public 990 tax returns, not all of them, but it is a start. If you would like to see all the SHWT & SHCP State RRF-1 and IRS 990 tax returns from 2000-2008 or their 2006 operating cost & financial statement; please email me and I would be happy to send you as much as your PC or Mac can handle or visit the Friends & Neighbors web site, just click my name on this post. Not everything is posted there, but we try.
Thanks
Ed Voice
shcpneighbors@mchsi.com
November 16, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Eric Kirk
I have more financial information which I’ll post shortly.
November 16, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Eric Kirk
I have answers to some of those questions. I’ll put it into a new blog post.
November 15, 2009 at 9:19 pm
citizen
How will low cost housing support the Park? Or is it because “people” want it? or what?
The reason no one has built low cost housing is because you can’t make a killing on it. Same with senior housing.
If concerts are to make money for the park, how do you stop it if the Park still says they’re broke after 6 “medium sized events”? Or is it because people want it, or what? Then will we be threatened with ranchettes if we don’t like 6 huge events? What is a medium size event anyway? 10,000 attendees is medium?
Will the Mateel have an “exclusive contract” as a mateel board member told me they were going to demand? Or will event promotion go to the highest bidder, the better to fund the Park?
Parking cars on the river bed. That might be the worst idea yet. But thats why the park suddenly gained 30 acres or whatever, no? Had to add in parcel B to be rezoned for parking at “recreational events”.
At the BoS meeting, some mateel guy got up and said they’d waited 10 years for this now hurry up, cause they wanna plan their events for next year there.
November 15, 2009 at 9:33 pm
citizen
Oh yeah, and the orchard site for the septic and leach lines for the specialized residential housing. Yum
It seems like the very first thing there ought to be is a management plan for the Park to answer these and other questions, as part of the EIR.
November 15, 2009 at 9:59 pm
anon
jesus, 7:38…you’re not from around here, are you?…
November 16, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Anonymous
just answer the questions. Does it matter where someone is from?
November 20, 2009 at 6:02 am
an only mouse
oh now c’mon. that query was well placed, your place of residence notwithstanding. a sense of humor is required in this life.
November 16, 2009 at 10:14 am
edsvoice
Morning Eric & Dennis,
Heard the KMUD MMM, yes I and over 300 other people of the public in SoHum would like to have a meeting with the Park Board and discus the issues we all have with the Park Boards Plan to rezone and change lands uses for development at the Park.
I am quite sure it will be heated, loud, long-winded and very time consuming, but it needs to be done. And yes, you were right Eric, without pointing the finger of blame; the Park Board has lost touch with the public in SoHum.
Again it needs to be all parties involved, not just Eric & Dennis, not just the “neighbors” or whom you think has the strongest objections, but the whole Board and the whole community. This process needs to include everybody and their “view” not just their objection.
If you feel that only having a meeting with a select group of people, that you, as Board memebers feel are the only problem in the new Park Boards projects and changes for the Park, instead the whole community, you as the Park Board will only divide this community even more.
I believe most of all, you need to know where you have been, to know where you are going.
And this is just my view, nobody else…………………..
November 16, 2009 at 1:19 pm
the last stone
Ed,
After all the complaining about the park board not meeting with the neighbors…
Now you refuse to meet with the board.
Are you afraid to engage in a rational discussion that might lead to real solutions to your concerns? Perhaps you just thrive on conflict. Or, perhaps your only agenda is to bring down the park board.
Where are you going Ed? What is that you hope to accomplish? Once you have brought down the park board, what will you do then?
November 16, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Eric Kirk
Hi Ed. We, the entire Board, intend to hold full blown community meetings, as part of the process requirements and beyond them. But Dennis and I thought that it might also be advantageous to sit down with people with specific grievances as well. It doesn’t have to be either/or.
Part of the issue is that we realize there are people who have concerns who are not as public as you about them for a number of reasons, and we’d like to give them an opportunity “off the record” so to speak. And with a few people we don’t have to structure the discussion to limit speakers to three minutes, etc. We can have more of a give and take, and get into some detail that might not be possible in a larger meeting.
But we can’t force anybody into anything. We can only make the offer. We were hoping for a meeting the week following Thanksgiving.
November 16, 2009 at 11:42 am
Dave Kirby
And in this corner…Gravel Ed Voice.. It’s none of your business where the park is going you don’t live here so stop draping yourself in your new environmental coat of many colors and butt out. The handful of people who actually live near the park will have plenty of chances to have input as this process goes forward.
November 16, 2009 at 12:06 pm
edsvoice
No problem Dave,
Since you speak for the Park Board and the Community I will but out, like that is going to happen. Now that you have stated, I will but out in public. I’ll just do my own thing, in my own way, now because I don’t live 24/7 in our house in Garberville, and have to rent it, because I don’t like was has happen in and around the house, you don’t have to hear from me anymore.
Thanks,
Ed Voice & Voice Family
November 16, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Anonymous
It is everyones business where(what direction) the park is going. You are so marginalizing the people who have real and legitimate concerns over the future use of the park,it is not just the neighbors who have concerns. You sound like a pushy and arrogant asshole.
I am not too sure sure that having 2 adversarial parties making the decisions on the direction of the park is such a good idea. Shouldn’t the whole community have a say?
We need to know what happened, what is happening, and what is like to happen. there is nothing like having a little light shining in on something.
November 16, 2009 at 1:23 pm
the last stone
I’ll just do my own thing, in my own way, now because I don’t live 24/7 in our house in Garberville, and have to rent it, because I don’t like was has happen in and around the house, you don’t have to hear from me anymore.
wha… ?!?
November 16, 2009 at 7:01 pm
citizen
Dear Mr. Kirby, in what area do you live? Is it very close to the Park? Is it lovely there? Does the fact that someone cares about the environment bother you?
Remember the Park’s fundraising sheets that talked about preserving wildlife habitat and protecting riparian corridors?
Who are the real nimbys here?
November 16, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Dave Kirby
My heart bleeds for you Gravel Boy.
November 17, 2009 at 6:43 am
citizen
Though ed voice may be a citizen, not every citizen on here is ed voice. Are you seeing him everywhere? That is not a good sign. So, whereabouts do you live, Mr. Kirby, and why does it bother you so much that someone cares about the life of the river?