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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what makes you think it was any different in previous centuries here ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what makes you think it was any different in previous centuries here ?</p>
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		<title>By: highboldtage</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[highboldtage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Dr. Baur for you and your group coming forward to support the only rational solution for health care for a modern industrial democracy.  Single payer is the single solution.

have a peaceful day,
Bill]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Dr. Baur for you and your group coming forward to support the only rational solution for health care for a modern industrial democracy.  Single payer is the single solution.</p>
<p>have a peaceful day,<br />
Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We?  No, Sonia, you mean &quot;You&quot; don&#039;t you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We?  No, Sonia, you mean &#8220;You&#8221; don&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think so Eric.

This is per rasmussen reports.com

Last week, Rasmussen Reports tracking found that support for the Congressional plan was at 42%. 

While the tracking question did not specifically mention the public option, it referred to the bill proposed by the president and congressional Democrats now working its way through Congress. All of the congressional committees that had passed reform legislation included a government health insurance plan. Therefore, it is reasonable to compare those results with the current polling to measure the potential impact of dropping the public option. 

The most dramatic impact is a sharp decline in enthusiastic support. Without the public option, only nine percent (9%) Strongly support the legislation. The earlier poll found 26% Strongly in favor of it. 

That enthusiasm gap is especially significant since the percentage of those opposed to the legislation has consistently been higher. Last week’s poll found 44% Strongly opposed to the reform legislation. If the public option is dropped, 37% remain Strongly opposed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think so Eric.</p>
<p>This is per rasmussen reports.com</p>
<p>Last week, Rasmussen Reports tracking found that support for the Congressional plan was at 42%. </p>
<p>While the tracking question did not specifically mention the public option, it referred to the bill proposed by the president and congressional Democrats now working its way through Congress. All of the congressional committees that had passed reform legislation included a government health insurance plan. Therefore, it is reasonable to compare those results with the current polling to measure the potential impact of dropping the public option. </p>
<p>The most dramatic impact is a sharp decline in enthusiastic support. Without the public option, only nine percent (9%) Strongly support the legislation. The earlier poll found 26% Strongly in favor of it. </p>
<p>That enthusiasm gap is especially significant since the percentage of those opposed to the legislation has consistently been higher. Last week’s poll found 44% Strongly opposed to the reform legislation. If the public option is dropped, 37% remain Strongly opposed.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[welcolm folks to 21 st century america,,, if you aint got a dime..then we aint got the time...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>welcolm folks to 21 st century america,,, if you aint got a dime..then we aint got the time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sonia Baur, MD</title>
		<link>http://kunsoo1024.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/the-democrats-have-run-into-a-very-profound-irony/#comment-31583</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sonia Baur, MD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keep your eyes on the prize.  We want a heathcare system that provides you care just because you exist, a universal health care, call it single payer or Medicare for all or national healthcare.  We know it is possible because all of the industrial world (on 3 continents, including ours) have it.

I am so weary of these wimpy Democrats and all of the excuses.  Filibuster?  I am old enough to remember when some filibusters did occur; it had to do with civil rights and did not convey the smell of roses upon those who did it.  Fear of filibuster?  I don&#039;t think so.  More like yet another excuse for not giving &quot;we the peeps&quot; what we want.

We want a comprehensive national healthcare program and we have no use for the insurance companies who have been screwing us over for years.

Don&#039;t start with a position of many compromises.  Hang tough.  You just might get it.  Citizens of all of the other industrialized, and even some &quot;third world&quot; countries have succeeded.  You deserve a heathcare system that guarantees and pays for your healthcare as a human right, just because you exist!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep your eyes on the prize.  We want a heathcare system that provides you care just because you exist, a universal health care, call it single payer or Medicare for all or national healthcare.  We know it is possible because all of the industrial world (on 3 continents, including ours) have it.</p>
<p>I am so weary of these wimpy Democrats and all of the excuses.  Filibuster?  I am old enough to remember when some filibusters did occur; it had to do with civil rights and did not convey the smell of roses upon those who did it.  Fear of filibuster?  I don&#8217;t think so.  More like yet another excuse for not giving &#8220;we the peeps&#8221; what we want.</p>
<p>We want a comprehensive national healthcare program and we have no use for the insurance companies who have been screwing us over for years.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t start with a position of many compromises.  Hang tough.  You just might get it.  Citizens of all of the other industrialized, and even some &#8220;third world&#8221; countries have succeeded.  You deserve a heathcare system that guarantees and pays for your healthcare as a human right, just because you exist!</p>
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		<title>By: Not A Native</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not A Native]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, not really.  On just a purely political basis do you believe each and every one of those 40 Republican Senators has such a secure seat that they would defy wide support on this issue?  Not even 3 among them who would face recrimination from their &quot;wide support for public option&quot; constinuency?  

Whether you believe it or not, here&#039;s an excerpt from an AP news item today.  i left out the rest because I thought it was just punditry:

A new CNN/Opinion Research poll found that 53 percent of Americans disapproved of Obama&#039;s handling of health care, while 44 percent approved. In March, far more people had approved than disapproved.

In a Kaiser Health Tracking Poll in August, 40 percent said they favored passing some sort of health care revision this year, a dramatic drop from 62 percent in June.

Conceding that opponents have the momentum, Democratic leaders plan a round of big and small meetings in the Capitol next week, focusing on moderate senators and House members from competitive districts who fear that voting for a sweeping bill could cost them the next election. Liberal groups have held hundreds of events in a bid to show that a robust overhaul is more popular than August&#039;s news reports would suggest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not really.  On just a purely political basis do you believe each and every one of those 40 Republican Senators has such a secure seat that they would defy wide support on this issue?  Not even 3 among them who would face recrimination from their &#8220;wide support for public option&#8221; constinuency?  </p>
<p>Whether you believe it or not, here&#8217;s an excerpt from an AP news item today.  i left out the rest because I thought it was just punditry:</p>
<p>A new CNN/Opinion Research poll found that 53 percent of Americans disapproved of Obama&#8217;s handling of health care, while 44 percent approved. In March, far more people had approved than disapproved.</p>
<p>In a Kaiser Health Tracking Poll in August, 40 percent said they favored passing some sort of health care revision this year, a dramatic drop from 62 percent in June.</p>
<p>Conceding that opponents have the momentum, Democratic leaders plan a round of big and small meetings in the Capitol next week, focusing on moderate senators and House members from competitive districts who fear that voting for a sweeping bill could cost them the next election. Liberal groups have held hundreds of events in a bid to show that a robust overhaul is more popular than August&#8217;s news reports would suggest.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Kirk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The polls all clearly indicate wide support for the public option.  The Republicans may have scored on the &quot;death panel&quot; meme, but it&#039;s a very small provision and will probably be scrapped even though nearly all the Republicans had supported it early on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The polls all clearly indicate wide support for the public option.  The Republicans may have scored on the &#8220;death panel&#8221; meme, but it&#8217;s a very small provision and will probably be scrapped even though nearly all the Republicans had supported it early on.</p>
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		<title>By: Not A Native</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not A Native]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dunno but my sense is that there isn&#039;t a strong public support for the actual provisions of the House bill thats still in committee.  The full extent of its provisions haven&#039;t been laid out and explained, anywhere that I&#039;ve seen.  Do you think personally you have a good grasp of what it entails?  I sure don&#039;t.

Of course, the bill is still in committee, so you could say until it comes to the floor there nothing to discuss.  But if thats the case what&#039;s all the media heat and smoke about?  Mostly what I see is just political sniping by various factions.

The argument of a &quot;small vocal minority&quot; is usually used by conservatives to describe &quot;progressive&quot; positions, so its interesting that it comes up in this context.  Everyone claims to representative of the &quot;true&quot; majority when theres vocal protests against a process with momentum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno but my sense is that there isn&#8217;t a strong public support for the actual provisions of the House bill thats still in committee.  The full extent of its provisions haven&#8217;t been laid out and explained, anywhere that I&#8217;ve seen.  Do you think personally you have a good grasp of what it entails?  I sure don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Of course, the bill is still in committee, so you could say until it comes to the floor there nothing to discuss.  But if thats the case what&#8217;s all the media heat and smoke about?  Mostly what I see is just political sniping by various factions.</p>
<p>The argument of a &#8220;small vocal minority&#8221; is usually used by conservatives to describe &#8220;progressive&#8221; positions, so its interesting that it comes up in this context.  Everyone claims to representative of the &#8220;true&#8221; majority when theres vocal protests against a process with momentum.</p>
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		<title>By: Moonshadow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moonshadow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmmmmm I am not so sure the &quot;citizenry&quot; is not behind the current bill.  It seems to me that the majority of the noise is from a very aggressive and vocal minority of the population.  To quote from the Krugman article I mentioned earlier . . . &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;i&gt;So what happened to the days when a Republican president could sound so nonideological, and offer such a reasonable proposal?

Part of the answer is that the right-wing fringe, which has always been around — as an article by the historian Rick Perlstein puts it, “crazy is a pre-existing condition” — has now, in effect, taken over one of our two major parties. Moderate Republicans, the sort of people with whom one might have been able to negotiate a health care deal, have either been driven out of the party or intimidated into silence. Whom are Democrats supposed to reach out to, when Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, who was supposed to be the linchpin of any deal, helped feed the “death panel” lies?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To quote from a rather famous movie line . . . &lt;em&gt;What we have here is a failure to communicate!&lt;/em&gt;  The public has not succeeded in making it clear to these fringe fools that they need to negotiate instead of obstructing and if they are incapable of that they need to get out of the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmmmm I am not so sure the &#8220;citizenry&#8221; is not behind the current bill.  It seems to me that the majority of the noise is from a very aggressive and vocal minority of the population.  To quote from the Krugman article I mentioned earlier . . .<br />
<blockquote><em><i>So what happened to the days when a Republican president could sound so nonideological, and offer such a reasonable proposal?</p>
<p>Part of the answer is that the right-wing fringe, which has always been around — as an article by the historian Rick Perlstein puts it, “crazy is a pre-existing condition” — has now, in effect, taken over one of our two major parties. Moderate Republicans, the sort of people with whom one might have been able to negotiate a health care deal, have either been driven out of the party or intimidated into silence. Whom are Democrats supposed to reach out to, when Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, who was supposed to be the linchpin of any deal, helped feed the “death panel” lies?</i></em></p></blockquote>
<p>To quote from a rather famous movie line . . . <em>What we have here is a failure to communicate!</em>  The public has not succeeded in making it clear to these fringe fools that they need to negotiate instead of obstructing and if they are incapable of that they need to get out of the way.</p>
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