For those who might not remember the Bible study of your youth, in the story David happens to see Bathsheba bathing and then seduces her, knocking her up. Bathsheba is married to David’s military buddy (can’t remember the name), and so David tries to get his buddy to take a break from warring and make love to his wife so that everybody will think the baby is his buddy’s. His buddy doesn’t want to make love to his wife however, preferring the company of his men. So basically David arranges to have him killed, sending the very message to accomplish as much with the guy himself to be delivered to his superior officer. The superior officer sets him up to be killed by the enemy. God is angry of course and sends his prophet to yell at David. David feels bad and apologizes, but God punishes David by killing Bathsheba’s child.
Oh, and by the way, David didn’t resign. So neither will Mark Sanford. He’s sinned and now he’s sorry and it’s all better.
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June 27, 2009 at 6:22 am
milt
Bathi’s hubby and Davie’s buddy, was Uriah – who was probably gay cause he’d rather be with his man pals fighting perpetual wars of liberation than being at home making his busty babe of a wife preggie, ugh. Of course, he soon found himself in a Heap o’ shit over this telling sign of gayness and eventually paid the Dickens for it.
Moral of the story: Peeping Mark “The New King of Iz” Stanford, will do whatever it takes to weed out teh gays from the military because that’s what a king, or president, should do.
Stanford / Bachmann 2012
June 27, 2009 at 7:00 am
Fred Mangels
No doubt in my mind the two of you would be defending him if he was a Democrat.
June 27, 2009 at 7:16 am
humboldturtle
Fred, if he were a Democrat it would be okay.
June 27, 2009 at 7:57 am
ecumenik
This is what happens, Erik, when you over-expose yourself to media other than KMUD. The evidence of you being drawn in by the propaganda arm of the wealth class is illustrated by this blog carrying on the: “Talking -Points” of the day. Whatever Big-Media decides is important, is pushed down our throats from every corporate media outlet we have, and even Bloggers are servants of the propagandists.
I’m not attacking….to quote the drunken friend….”I love you ..Man!”
But seriously…a caller on “Thank Jah” yesterday, was trying to get the point across, that it is all propaganda, (Iran for one) designed to get us to feel a certain way, there are hundreds of stories about what is happening, even AP has different versions of the same events. but we are only “spoon-fed” that which serves the interests of the Wealth-Class.
The caller on the show, couldn’t seem to get his point across. Owl (I love you, Man!) is very good at talking about what was on CNN, or Fox News. so when this guy was arguing that “All” of the “Press” is working for the ruling class, all he gets is: “…uh, really? I don’t feel that way, I think you’re wrong, while I still parrot the feelings and emotions I was just handed by the media, I will cry at the appropriate time, I will be angry at the appropriate moment. and I will think that I am “enlightened” because I have progressive thoughts now and then.”
People seem to be afraid of the word: “Socialist” well, I’m not. I am a socialist, and nothing good is going to happen for the people of this country until we throw out the greed of capitalism, and embrace a socialistic, human-rights-based, economic democracy. I’m telling these lap-dogs of those who seek to deny my child the same opportunities as their child, to shut the hell up, Norway has plenty of corporate kazillionaires, yet they manage to educate everyone, they manage to make available rewarding employment, housing, health care. dignity. And guess what? they are socialist, Germany has one of the best health care systems in the world, plenty of greedy rich, yet still, Socialist.
Do these defenders of the rich hear what they are saying? They seem to think all they have to do in any argument is make it about money. and they win. “Whose going to pay for…..blah, blah!” that ends it for the dupes. The other great debate-nuker, ” The government controls you with socialism!” Ah, yes, another myth of the rich. they know that many of us are just too stupid to add up what a simple life in the US costs.
It’s very simple, if you “consume” media, you believe that anything that improves our lives, or spreads out the costs of major needs, is bad. and whatever exploits us and keeps us as a servant-class to the wealthy is good.
So Moviedad says: “Beware the media, they sacrificed us long ago.” It’s like they’re saying…
“Don’t think about anything other than, the Soap-Opera of the parasitic Rich, or savagery in Iran. Until we give you the next thing.”
June 27, 2009 at 8:10 am
milt
Fred and ht, please link us to any democrat, Edwards, Spitzer, Clinton, whomever, that regularly stood in the bully pulpit preaching about “family values,”or wants to impose their religious beliefs upon the rest of us, or called for the resignation or impeachment of opposition party members who cheated on their spouses, or who have ever referred to themselves as biblical characters as a means of excusing their behavior.
When you can muster up some semblance of actual equivocal hypocrisy let me know.
Democrats do not carry moral and religious superiority on their lapels, sleeves and smirky faces like repos do. That’s what’s so repugnant and laughable about asswipes like Stanford, Ensign, Craig, Vitter, and all the rest of them. The Republican party really needs to get a new emblem as elephants are lauded for their memory but these particular elephants want us to forget, and quickly. The two faced mythical god, Janus, would be a perfect fit.
Either that or they should just stfu and stop passing judgment on other people’s private lives and keep their personal religious beliefs to themselves. But then they have nothing left to say. Their quiver would be empty.
June 27, 2009 at 9:15 am
Fred Mangels
Milt wrote, “…Either that or they should just stfu”.
I actually agree with you on that.
June 27, 2009 at 9:30 am
humboldturtle
Hey, MILT. Arrrgharhgargh.
“Fred, if he were a Democrat it would be okay” is of course because it’s hypocritical when Republicans do it. And I’m not about to link you to anyone. What would Barney think?
June 27, 2009 at 10:43 am
Eric Kirk
Did you see us defending John Edwards?
June 27, 2009 at 10:45 am
Eric Kirk
Or Spitzer?
I won’t even raise the hypocrisy issue.
June 27, 2009 at 10:52 am
anonamuse
gotta agree with ecumenik. owl just refused to “hear” what that caller was saying. I was telling my partner about that particualr phone call myself. he made some very great points. And kermit roosevelt was teddys grandson,I believe.
think this whole sex scandal thingy is very HARD ON the republicans, hypocrites that they are.
June 27, 2009 at 11:19 am
Eric Kirk
Talking Points Memo isn’t “big media.” It’s just a particularly successful blog.
But to your larger point, I think we can live in the world without being of the world.
I also don’t think the left alternative media is necessarily better for everything. Amy Goodman gives a great interview, and she covers stories that don’t get covered extensively on the MSM. But sometimes I can pretty much write the story on my own based upon the first three or four sentences of her delivery. As with much of the alternative left media, including sometimes KMUD, there’s a homogeneity of perspective which gets monotonous, complete with knee-jerk reactions to trigger issues.
For instance, I dedicated one show to global warming. I thoroughly believe that global warming is a reality and find the explanations of a natural cycle as opposed to human activity wanting. But when I simply brought up the fact that there are sound scientific arguments against the theory, I got frantic angry and irrational calls from people with really dumb arguments, including one woman who said she can feel the increased ultra-violet radiation on her skin now. On the one hand she was conflating the warming and ozone layer issues. More to the point, you cannot feel the ultraviolet radiation. You can feel the after effects obviously, but we don’t have any way of feeling ultraviolet radiation as we’re being hit with it.
The point is, I’m finding that there is a problem of people becoming so insular, and not exposing themselves to arguments outside their political/cultural milieu, that they’re arguments are taking a turn for the bizarre. I think that’s why the “truther” political subculture has such deep roots here. Everybody reads Crossing the Rubicon and all of the truther material, but I have yet to meet one person who has actually read the one, and only one, book with an opposite opinion – the Popular Mechanics one. They’re read truther reviews, but they haven’t read the book. They’re afraid to read the book. It takes them out of their comfort zones. As one woman once told me, “the best books are the ones which teach you what you already know.” Ridiculous.
Lastly, I don’t think the “MSM” is so monolythic as to be logically reduced to a mouthpeace for the “ruling class” or whatever. As an ex-Marxist, I find the whole class analysis of culture and new left view of popular culture as “consumption of the commodity spectacle” to be based upon a grossly oversimplified view of the world. Economic class issues are an important dynamic to understand history, politics, and culture, but there are so many other factors which govern content of popular media and culture I think you do yourself a disservice by trying to “immunize” yourself by avoiding it. Much makes its way into the MSM that does not make it into the alternative media, because actually the left institutions from which the left alternative media is actually culturally quite narrow. The demographics of Pacifica Radio programming (including Democracy Now, Free Speech Radio, etc.) are much whiter and much more upper middle class than much of what you would refer to as the “MSM.” If you’ll notice, if you exclude the Arab-American component, the peace marches have been vastly majority white, all the way back to the 1960s. The Democratic Party convention is much, much more multicultural than the Green convention, no matter how much affirmative action the Greens try to implement. There are reasons the majority of African-American, Hispanic, Asian, and working class voters are drawn to the Democratic Party. It’s not because they’re “duped” or brainwashed by the MSM. They know what they want and need, and they get it from the Democratic Party. They don’t have the time or energy to indulge themselves in truther conspiracy theories or even class analysis of popular culture.
Also, what I find particularly amazing having also listened to right wing alternatives to the MSM, are the parallels between right and left views of the MSM. Both feel excluded and both attribute to the MSM a political agenda distinct from theirs. I swear you can take the same arguments and leave a handful of words blank and the analysis would be identical.
So what is the “MSM?” Do you included right wing talk radio? NPR? Nation Magazine? Obviously you include the not-so-far-to-the-left blogs like TPM. You see no difference between TPM and CNN?
On another forum I have a right winger and another guy who can’t make up his mind telling me that the MSM is “left wing” because it tries to hide the party affiliation of Democrats when scandals break, but readily identifies Republican transgressors as Republicans. They argue that the MSM is avoiding the new revelations that left icons like I.F. Stone and of course Alger Hiss were spies for the Soviet Union. Other right wingers argue that the media is avoiding the “birther” story claiming that the evidence is clear that Obama was not born in Hawaii but rather born in Kenya and the birth certificate forged (the similarities between the “birthers” and “truthers” are uncanny).
Lastly, what does this have to do with Mark Sanford?
June 27, 2009 at 11:25 am
Eric Kirk
I’ll have to listen, but I heard bits and pieces, something about Obama being a “Reaganite Republican” and Owl not knowing what he was talking about. I didn’t know either, but I wasn’t able to hang around for the explanation.
June 27, 2009 at 11:58 am
Eric Kirk
See, I can’t get no respect anywhere. I tell you that I represent the happy medium. On that other list when I tried to point to this thread that I am not an uncritically thinking leftist, my good friend Menshevik says:
Here you represent a pretzel in some weird yoga position caught between liberalism/leftism/ pwoggieism and cultural conservatism, as witness your defense of the “free choice” of wearing a burka, then add you vacillation over defending obama as a pwoggie and realism that he is a corporate tool.
That on your blog you have the position I have here but, here you sound like a mix between a DNC fundraising ltr. and the worst of the CPUSA.
There you go. I’m a cultural conservative (because I support the right of a woman to wear a burka, if she so chooses) and a commie!
June 27, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Carson Park Ranger
Those smug “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven” stickers were ubiquitous in southern California in the ’90s. It should have said, “Christians aren’t perfect. Duh.”
June 27, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Michael Pugliese
On another forum I have a right winger and another guy who can’t make up his mind telling me that the MSM is “left wing” because it tries to hide the party affiliation of Democrats when scandals break, but readily identifies Republican transgressors as Republicans. They argue that the MSM is avoiding the new revelations that left icons like I.F. Stone and of course Alger Hiss were spies for the Soviet Union. Other right wingers argue that the media is avoiding the “birther” story claiming that the evidence is clear that Obama was not born in Hawaii but rather born in Kenya and the birth certificate forged (the similarities between the “birthers” and “truthers” are uncanny).
Nope, Eric MSM is liberal, which I draw the traditional lines of demarcation, standard on the radical/progressive/socialist/communist Left which separate the Left from mainstream liberalism. (bracketting to one one side, “progressivism, ” which is the label of those who are too gutless to call themselves Socialist or Communist. Cg. Progressives for Obama listserv that just announced, within their deep crevices a Communist convention. )
The liberal MSM as those many examples you neglected to follow up on on, does routinely ignore to attach the D after a DP politico scandal, or buries it in paragraph 14, while the latest Republican moral values hypocrite is headlined with the Mark of A or R.
The NYT Book review will run if it hasn’t a review of the new book by Haynes/Klehr and Vassilov on the KGB, NKVD and the CPUSA. They ran one by David Oshinsky or Michael kazin of the new (liberal ) book on alger hiss (that says he is GUILTY)
Alger Hiss and the Battle for History (Icons of America) by Susan Jacoby.
On Stone, since I guess you haven’t read the chapter on him yet in the former book,
Spies: The Rise and Fall of the KGB in America
Gordon G. Chang
June 27, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Michael Pugliese
No, let me clarify. the CPUSA was not small c communist after the Popular Front Right Opportunist Browderite Betrayal of Communism in 1935.
Heh.
June 27, 2009 at 2:08 pm
milt
Well, of course all Repo wrong doers, miscreants, and sleazeballs must be identified by the evil librul media more often than their democrat counterparts. That’s why FOX News was forced to balance things out by labeling such scumbags as Mark Foley and Mark Stanford with a (D) after their names. FOX had to fight this perpetual injustice somehow.
It’s also the same reason BushCo was forced to completely strip and redecorate the Justice Dept with Regency Repubs and used political affiliation survey questions to get the job done. Letting dems get away with everything while innocent repubs were hounded by librul leaning lawyers in the JD like deer flies on a wet dog’s haunch was just too much for a fair minded preznit like Bush to bear.
No wonder Cheney wanted to be the Kingpin of a Fourth branch of Government. The other 3 were teaming cesspools of librul socialist commie pinko fascists .
And finally, there’s this little expose , which blows your premise all to hell, Pugliese. But I’m sure you of all people know how librul biased Media Matters is. After all, it’s got “media” in it’s title. That proves it.
June 27, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Eric Kirk
Funny! I looks like after Media Matters made that post the Wash Post simply vanished its article. MSNBC in the meantime added the names to its list.
June 27, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Skippy
I agree very much with your concern about the left and right “echo chambers” that too many people live in. And your take on Amy Goodman’s show is very much in line with mine: great interviews, important coverage of issues and perspectives lacking in the MSM, but also a lot of annoyingly predicatable dogma-driven left spin on many stories.
Also ditto on the 9/11 truthinessers, they are totally living in an alternate reality where they only allow themselves to recieve (or accept) information that comports with their already-formed conclusions. I had a roommate who had already decided by the afternoon of 9/11 that “Bush did it” completetely based on gut instinct and what she “wanted to be true.” Subsequent to that she only absorbed information that reinforced her original speculation, and absolutely would not consider reading the PM book, dismissing them as “tools” of the conspiracy without hearing any of their arguments.
I wonder if she ever heard the “debate” between the PM reporters and the “Loose Change” producers that was held on Amy Goodman’s show a few years ago. It was quite telling: the PM reporters stuck to facts and evidence, the Loose Changers made a lot of wild statements without proof, and made repeated ad hominem attacks on the PM reporters. I think that show was a wonderful public service by Amy and her crew, as it exposed the difference between fact-based reporting on the one hand, and the wild-haired assumptions, heroic leaps of logic and fact-free flights of fancy peddled by the “Loose Change” huckters.
June 27, 2009 at 4:31 pm
milt
And the hits just keep on comin’ for South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford (DADT)* . I wonder which OT figure, psalm, or parable he’ll conjure up for this one?
There’s also a you tube of his paramour, Sweet Maria, there as an added bonus.
*(DADT) – the newly minted, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Party. Conceived to outwit teh librul media bias.
June 27, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Anonymous
Fox news routinely lies about party affiliation when the scandal involves Republicans, calling them Democrats on the air, and attaching a D after their names in the print under the picture. They did it again with Sanford, as they have in the past, with other Repubs caught with their pants down.
June 27, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Anonymous
Two times have come up. I wouldn’t call two times “routinely.”
June 27, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Moviedad
For me it is not some big “conspiracy.” It’s just “policy.” You know from your sociology class, that it is the powerful who ascribe labels and definitions. How can you argue for a new paradigm in the present, unjust system; when those who benefit from the injustice get to define the parameters of the issue? How can I escape the dichotomy of being against a system that I personally benefit from as an American, and as a white man. Is it such a “fantasy” to imagine our country working as a team, or a family. Tribal systems functioned for millennium, and were sustained until when? When the culture of greed and gain, got the upper hand.
The Russians and the Chinese have shown that their idea of socialism is not good for the individual. yes, I get that. But seriously, modern democratic socialistic countries lead the world in quality of life, in every aspect. When I hear people passionately defend their own disenfranchisement, I can’t help but feel propaganda is at work. And it has done its work well, when educated white people try to sell the argument that class division is somehow along “political” lines.
There is no immunization by avoiding the propaganda. I cannot escape the never ending stream of “talking-points” and “issues of the day” I only wish to say that I need not suffer the constant lies of the MSM, to somehow demonstrate “hearing both sides” its just a waste of time. I already know the agenda of the aristocracy. Yes, I will use that word. it is still the same ol’ fight.
June 28, 2009 at 7:43 am
milt
Actually, FOX News tries very hard not to mention repo phuck ups at all if it can avoid it. Best example was not long after Bushie declared that the Armed Forces could count on getting the best medical care for injuries sustained in Iraq and that other place, the Walter Reed Army Medical Center scandal broke. (Feb ’07) Fortunately, Anna Nicole Smith, like a miracle sent from the righteous repo God Hisself, was struck down and FOX just rolled with that story for 54 hours straight. Saved them the trouble of mentioning the WRAMC story at all.
Now God has seen fit to strike down both MJ and FF to temper the Stanford tale too.
So, we can logically conclude that God is doing His best to counter that well known, albeit, poorly documented librul media bias. Should we really expect less from FOX?
June 29, 2009 at 2:19 pm
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