Carol will no longer promote Reggae Rising. So says a very cryptic Times Standard article. Dimmick Ranch will put it on. Tickets will go on sale “soon.”
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March 24, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Jim
Yikes, check out those comments.
Sitting back with popcorn to watch the flames…………………….now
March 24, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Heraldo
So People Productions is out of the Reggae business? It makes all the fighting over the last few years seem pointless.
March 24, 2009 at 6:43 pm
humboldturtle
It was already pointless for most of us.
March 24, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Lefty
This former turtle (you bet your sweet ass) never felt it was pointless. I felt then, as I do now, that there was something very improper about a private business taking a fund raiser away from a non profit. Some may wish to argue endlessly about how this one didn’t know anything about the concert business or make nasty comments about old hippies. Let them rant. PP got the weekend and a new show… for awhile. Now old Prince Charming who “saved the day” not yet 4 years ago has run away with Snow White herself. As for PP being out of the Reggae Biz, forget it.
They are just out of Dimmick’s way. I hear rumors of big shows being planned and certainly recent shows in Benbow and Arcata would belie the idea that PP will be giving up skankin anytime soon.
March 24, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Anonymous
Does anybody else get the feeling that it’s all falling apart? The whole idea of this community? What are we?
March 25, 2009 at 6:26 am
Mr. Greenjeans
Now the question is how many of the coordinators will be working for Dimmick? How many will Carol allow to work for Dimmick? How many does Dimmick want? Is PB going to work for Dimmick or not? If Dimmick makes money this year will that be proof that Carol is as incompetent at managing money as is has been said? Where does Danny Scher fit in? Will Dimmick be able to sell 500 tickets? 5000?
March 25, 2009 at 8:08 am
Show Must Go On
The word on the street is most coordinators are working. Those “on board” are excited about a new enthusiasm and a fresh approach to the reggae show we all love. The community needs this event and yes the community financially benefits ! People come from all over to spend their money in our towns. Looking forward to a warm summer with reggae music playing.
March 25, 2009 at 8:24 am
Eric Kirk
The word on the street is most coordinators are working. Those “on board” are excited about a new enthusiasm and a fresh approach to the reggae show we all love.
Show must go on – I take it then that you were not in the “only Carol can do it” crowd when the Mateel attempted to take a “fresh approach?”
All that aside or under the bridge, I hope it works out for Tom and the community. With the economy the way it is, we need things to happen, particularly those which draw money into the county from outside of it. I also hope Carol can put something together. We need economic diversity and small business is the major employer in the country these days.
March 25, 2009 at 8:31 am
Violet
Isn’t this just unbelievably ironic? Tom CANNOT do the show without Carol. Remember that? That’s why Tom terminated the contract with the Mateel, because Carol wouldn’t be in charge and NO ONE else was capable of pulling it off. And remember how dangerous it was going to be without Carol? The coordinators wouldn’t work without her because it would be too dangerous working with anyone else, because NO ONE in the world could possibly run ROTR because of its uniqueness.
So PP steals the Mateel’s show and sells it to Tom Dimmick.UN-F-ing BELEIVABLE. Is Carol going to show her face in this community?
March 25, 2009 at 8:34 am
Show Must Go On
It is important to distinguish the difference between a third generation local from Piercy producing an event with his permit on his land in Piercy and an out of town producer who’s idea’s were not fresh. We all know Carol is not the only person who can do this. However no one can pull it off with out local support.
March 25, 2009 at 8:42 am
Lefty
Sorry 8:08. The reggae show we all love went away when it was misappropriated by she who is no longer involved. I’ll get my reggae this year at Summer Arts and at the real Reggae on the River in the middle of July thank you very much.
I’m sure that the locals will be well represented at Dimmick’s rising on the river. I’m also sure that there will be many from out of the area who will be there no matter what. They have shown that they don’t care who puts it on as long as there is a place to go the first weekend in August.
March 25, 2009 at 8:48 am
bob
Show Must Go On
The word on the street is most coordinators are working. Those “on board” are excited about a new enthusiasm and a fresh approach to the reggae show we all love. The community needs this event and yes the community financially benefits ! People come from all over to spend their money in our towns. Looking forward to a warm summer with reggae music playing.
Apparently, we can all be looking forward to a stream of press releases on Eric’s blog this warm summer. At least that’s what happened last time there was a split in the Reggae-producing community. This gal (or guy) appears to be one of the coordinators who has decided to work for Mr. Dimmick. It kind of sounds, IMHO, like she (he) has been hired on as Tommy’s Public Relations flunkie, and that she (he) is well-schooled in PR prose. As to what “the word on the street” is, I think it’s been well established over the past couple of years that we don’t all seem to walk down the same streets, few as they are around here.
We’re probably not going to see a coordinator “vote of no confidence” this time round, cuz there’s no-one to bankroll it. So far as “The community needs this event and yes the community financially benefits” from it, draw your own conclusions.
And yes, Mr. Greenjeans, PB is still listed as sponsorship coordinator on the brand-spanking new, still under construction, coming attraction, Reggae Rising website. PB’s contact info is about the only actual info available on tommy d’s website. If you visit the site, you may learn that the only confirmed act for the show is a hot new band from Jamaica known only as Coming Soon. I know I’m psyched!
March 25, 2009 at 9:04 am
Eric Kirk
So far I’ve blocked three posts in this thread. Fortunately the automatic block works for those who haven’t posted here in a while. Once I approve a post, the subsequent posts from that address go through without moderation (except when they don’t, and I have no idea why it doesn’t always work). So far I haven’t had to remove any posts which actually got through, and I really don’t have time to babysit this thing, so please post responsibly.
Thank you.
March 25, 2009 at 9:56 am
Bob
I just got an e-mail from someone who assumed I am the “bob” who wrote the 8:48 a.m. post. That would be a different Bob.
Here’s what I’m thinking – Lefty is correct in part. He says, “locals will be well represented at Dimmick’s rising on the river… many from out of the area who will be there no matter what… they don’t care who puts it on…”
For better or worse, tourism has become a major part of the Humboldt economy. Reggae brings in people from all over with cash in their pockets. They leave some of that money here and one way or another it gets spread around. Motels fill up, groceries are sold, the nonprofits will eventually figure out how to make money off the visitors. No, it won’t be the same as it was before, but those SoCal $$ are still an important boost to a stagnant local economy. There’s no reason the Mateel’s Reggae on the River can’t coexist with Tom’s Reggae Rising, and if Carol figures out a way to put on her own festival, I say more power to her.
March 25, 2009 at 10:08 am
exrepublican
the food vending done by local community organizations at ROTR have been a major income source. my hunch is that the vending will continue to be done by the same local vendors that have always been there. plus, think of all the local pot that is sold at ROTR.
the community should be all for as many concerts and festivals that the market will allow. more concert/festival goers=more money in the local eonomy…..
March 25, 2009 at 10:15 am
anonymous
Show Must Go On says: It is important to distinguish between a third generation local from Piercy producing an event… and an out of towner…
You should bag that stuff and sell it for fertilizer. Tom has zero experience. Call a spade a spade and just say it is about the money. We’re all adults here. The PR smooze is insulting.
March 25, 2009 at 11:13 am
Eric Kirk
I’m blocking another post which wasn’t particularly nasty or vindictive, but I would rather avoid anonymous posts about conversations held in a coffee shop about rumors about what a number of people may or may not be doing and why they may or may not be doing it. Either post first hand information or put your name to it please.
March 25, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Anon
Well Mr. Bob the reporter I think my harshest feelings are toward you and your reporting on the event and the embedding of your personal feelings in the reporting and the misreporting. I guess I can forgive you if you clean up your act. I think you learned a thing or two about your limitations along with the rest of us (hopefully).
Sure every one needs to heal and the town needs diversity. Hey maybe we can get some of those guys from Wall Street to move into town!
From my perspective I think that rewarding people in the community for doing things in the name of greed that cause harm and then giving them a pat on the head and saying we all should forget later on is in the big picture not the right message a community wants to deliver to itself. There are other nonprofits that have been abused other than the Mateel.
Peace however would be great.
In your world I’d just go out and find someone like Liddy who got the bulk of the AIG bonuses and invite him over to a nice friendly dinner.
I can turn the other cheek but I will never forget.
I will move on but my dollars will all go to the Mateel and my work will go to improving the Mateel’s board and community services. I will not support local businesses during the time they support parties I am not interested in rewarding. If all that glitters is gold then I will make sure my gold does not turn into a passive reward system.
See you all at Summer Arts and Reggae on the River.
March 25, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Bob
Well Anon 12:01, who is still harboring harsh feelings, it’s nice to hear that you might consider forgiving my past transgressions, although I suspect you’ll only do so if I hew to the party line and start to see things your way.
What was it George W said? “Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.”
You speak of forgiveness, “peace” and turning the other cheek, but there’s still a “however” or a “but” attached. And when I read between the lines, I get the feeling you’re more the Old Testament eye-for-an-eye type. Of course in your book, as a reporter I’m not allowed to have “personal feelings.”
March 25, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Movie review
Good point, Bob, but next time perhaps you can skip the “Old Testament” slur. You Christian’s haven’t exactly racked up a great track record in the peace and forgiveness department.
March 25, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Anon
In my book journalists have a job to do and they should do it with professional integrity. ALWAYS. It comes with the job.
Journalism is a profession where your ability to influence peoples opinions extends beyond the daily work. To use that same tool to access and push your own private agenda stinks to high heaven. It is especially so in a small community. I wouldn’t expect my doctor to forgo blackmarket transplants at work but then conduct them at home. But I am not your keeper. Your employer is your keeper when you are on the job. You are your keeper at home.
If someone was out for an eye Bob I seriously think you’d only have one at present or at least be out of a job. But again that is my opinion.
Throwing garbage out about getting on the bad wagon doesn’t work. The end does not justify the means and produces little value for society as a whole but often produces great value for self interested people who use it as a tool. I am a community minded person. I cannot live without a healthy community. Balance is always needed. But lessons learned should be useful and applied to the future. I would like to live in a community where people that put their own self interest so far ahead of their neighbors and create harm with little apparent thought to others are fewer rather than encouraged. I am willing to use what little political power I have to make that come about. I can choose to spend my money where I please the same way you can. You will never hear me speak out against your so called ‘right’ to acquire your free access to tickets and booze and write about entertainment. Maybe Fox News will take notice someday and offer you a job. One can only hope.
March 25, 2009 at 2:42 pm
AAA
If you want to launder the dirty clothes perhaps we should also launder the dirty underwear this community has refused to talk about openly while pointing fingers of blame.
Uh what was that again about safety under another production company?
March 25, 2009 at 4:37 pm
dust1
my money will never go to support coorperate neo-cons weather in reggae concerts or bigbox stores…or a bloodline of earth destroyers
some people can show support with-out a second thought to the costs or consiquence…(story of stuff)
http://www.storyofstuff.com/index.html
So hostile take over + sell off of business = clear channel in so hum
good luck with that one…
danny shear will do a great job running a very coorperate event…seriously
have you ever been to shoreline…?
quite amazing that some coordinators who pleged themselves to”no show w/o PP” can now jump right in with DR and CC….WOW
ill be at benbow with a smile
March 25, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Mr. Greenjeans
So is Mossman going to be on board or will the medical emergencies be answered with incompetence?
March 25, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Bob
Anon et al, There’s not much use in rehashing old arguments about things that happened in the past. Who cares at this point? The past is gone, let it go. The wound won’t heal unless you stop picking the scab. You say you’re a community minded person, let your community heal.
- peace
March 25, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Anon
That wasn’t my point. My point was to move on but not forget. Check your notes.
March 25, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Lefty
It seems to me that journalism, while sometimes selfless, is just as apt to be very much one sided historically speaking. Bob’s “Old Testament” remark is
a classic example of a journalist inserting his biases into a discussion. Hearst made a fortune (and started wars) using “yellow journalism”.
I am not suggesting that Bob is a “yellow journalist” by any means. He is most well known as an entertainment reporter and as such receives “comps” because the promoters want him to give them publicity. I don’t think it’s fair to hold that against him. I think he tried to tell the story fairly as he saw it at the time. I was disappointed he didn’t show more indignation about the one thing that still gets under my skin to this day. That one thing being the “great wrong” perpetrated against the Mateel Community Center.
I will always feel this way. I’m not picking scabs. I don’t think it’s healthy to just sweep this under the rug and forget it ever happened. I’m sure Carol will continue to earn a living around here promoting shows. I’m glad that I’m not the only one who will avoid spending my money on her productions just because it’s her production. It’s the only way I know of that I/We can personally have an effect on her. She will make money but she will never make as much as she could have because some of us remember and won’t support her. There should be some cost to someone who did what she did and to this day has never apologized nor admitted wrong doing.
I’m healed, but I remember and I “still care at this point”.
March 25, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Eric Kirk
Blockedmeonce – if you want to discuss why I’m not allowing your post, you can email me or even call me. I’ll be happy to discuss it.
March 25, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Bob
I am not exactly a religious person, nor do I call myself a Christian, but I’ve read the Bible.
It may have been unintentional, but Anon’s line, “I can turn the other cheek but I will never forget,” is a reference to Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.” – Matthew 5:38
I made reference to the Old Testament because that’s what Jesus was quoting:
“If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.” – Exodus 21:23
Giving up on vengeance is a radical idea, but it’s pretty much the only way you’re going to get peace.
March 26, 2009 at 12:51 am
Anon
Tell that to a Madoff victim. Tell that to a rape victim in Darfur. Tell that to a wife who has been the victim of abuse.
No one is talking about vengeance. I am not suggesting anyone else choose my practices. Whereas in your earlier posts you are.
I am talking about making personal choices within our own private means. You see it as punishment. I see it as rewarding the type of people I want to encourage to live in my community. Maybe that is the Christian part.
I am agnostic but raised in a Christian country. I also say God Bless when someone sneezes.
March 26, 2009 at 5:20 am
middle child
anon 12:51
Well said. You are not alone, I feel exactly the same way.
March 26, 2009 at 6:54 am
Lefty
Forgiveness frees the persons wronged no question about it. However the Christian approach is different than the Jewish approach and speaks more to me as regards what is fair. While Bob has boiled down the Torah (what he calls the old testament) to a few unsavory ideas, one finds upon further study that there is much more to consider. Many commentaries
have been written on this very subject as forgiveness is a very important part of the Jewish religion.
“Jewish thinkers over the centuries have written a great deal about the obligation to set things straight after violating God’s law, or the laws of our society. In the Mishneh Torah Maimonides prescribed a five step process for teshuvah:”
1. One must verbally confess the sin to the injured party
2. compensate the injured party
3. resolve never to repeat the transgression
4. ask for forgiveness from the injured party, and
5. refrain from repeating the act when the opportunity presents itself again.
It seems to me that the goal of forgiveness is not simply to make those who were wronged feel better, and it is certainly not about letting the guilty off the hook. Forgiveness is about achieving a kind of resolution that will lead to justice. Forgiveness demands that we take our feelings of anger and desire for revenge and mediate them with compassion and patience as we pursue justice. Forgiving does not mean forgetting, it means covering over the aspects of the offense and our reaction to it that are irreconcilable, and finding a way to repair the damage to ourselves and our world.”
The above was copied from this site ….http://www.bethelsudbury.org/jewish_basics/text005.php3?page=735
March 26, 2009 at 8:13 am
Movie Review
“Giving up on vengeance is a radical idea, but it’s pretty much the only way you’re going to get peace.”
No, Bob, it wasn’t “a radical idea,” it was lifted straight out of Rabbi Hillel, who preceded Jesus by 200 years or so.
Christians who pat themselves on the back for inventing forgiveness should take note. This self-congratulatory delusion was frequently trotted out just before the native people were wiped out by “loving” Christian soldiers and their missionary allies.
March 26, 2009 at 8:38 am
Bob
This morning while I was reading the morning paper, my wife sat down at my computer – she likes to read a few stories in the New York Times after she has her coffee, mainly to see what Obama’s up to.
The browser was still open to Anon’s last note, drawing some sort of equivalence between genocide in Africa, a multi-billion dollar Ponzi scheme, domestic violence and a contract dispute over management of a music festival. (I’m surprised you didn’t bring up the biggest e-4-e in recent history, killing tens of thousands of Iraqis as misplaced retribution for a suicide attack executed mostly by Saudis.)
“What’s all that about?” she wondered. “Are people still arguing about Reggae on the River? Why? Can’t they just put it behind them?”
I couldn’t really explain. And I’m not sure I know how I got sucked back into this. It’s a discussion that goes nowhere, so what’s the point?
Lefty and M.R., Forgive me if it seemed like I was trying to boil down the Torah into something “unsavory,” honestly, I’m not enough of a biblical scholar to carry your nuanced discussion of forgiveness much further. (And of course I’m aware of the endless abominations done in Christ’s name.)
In fact, please forgive me for all my transgressions. I’ll try to do better in the future. And forgive me as I try to gracefully bow out of this conversation.
peace out – Bob
March 26, 2009 at 8:59 am
Anon
Here let me help. You have to rotate your position and look at it from a broader viewpoint.
You can’t explain because you do not feel victimized. And apparently you don’t feel anyone should feel that way or that since you have come to terms with your role in it that somehow every one else should magically have it resolved as well. As for the examples they all carry emotional abuse that lasts long after the event has stopped.
March 26, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Ed Voice
Hey, at the March 18th meeting of the Community Park in Redway, Tim Metz said, he will only allow Reggae on the River down at the Park “over my dead body”. This was after he and all the Park Board members wanted to bring the Mateel Summer Arts Festival down to the Park, as their major event, fundraiser and gathering for the year.
After hearing lefty and his comment “I’ll get my reggae this year at Summer Arts” is that what the Summer Arts Festival has become, nothing but another “Reggae on the River”.
If that is the case, I sure as hell don’t want it down in my neighborhood, the Community Park! It can stay at Benbow until hell freezes over or the salmon and steelhead come back which ever comes first.
Here is another thing you can answer for me, why does the Park Board say, the Summer Arts Festival only brings in 2500 people per day, when the Mateel web site states “SAMF consistently attracts over 10,000 people to our area throughout the weekend” Why is that? http://www.mateel.org/sumartspackage.php
March 26, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Eric Kirk
I don’t know Ed, but you voted for the Summer Arts Festival at the last meeting. It’s too late to change your vote.
March 26, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Ed Voice
Why Mr. Kirk, you sly dawg, you were watching me. I was the skinhead, clean shaven-green eyed, short skinny darkskin boy right. What table were you at, I was at table one. By the way, I voted yes with conditions, and when there were too many conditions that did not fly with truitt, and when we voted yes or NO as everyone, I voted NO! Remember!!!!
Oh ya, nothing at that meeting meant anything to anyone. Even Girard could not figure out what the Park Board was doing. Even Clendenen talked about it on the Huber show on KMUD (in the second hour). Give a listen and get back to be.
Too late to change my mind, brother we got years on this one. No cash plus no money plus no donations plus EIR = many many years of just a nice quite Park……..
March 26, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Eric Kirk
I wasn’t there. I was told you voted for it “with conditions.”
It is forever in the record. Your name has been entered onto the Book of Life. Basque in the glory.
March 26, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Ed Voice
I didn’t think you were. And yes at our table (because I was there) we didn’t want to vote just yes or NO, we wanted conditions. So here were mine: NO amplified music, NO venue parking, NO RV parking, NO camping on or near this Community Park or River, only local based fundraising events under 300 people per day.
And as everyone at my table ask me, what do you want at the Park:
I give full support for local community events and fundraisers for under 300 persons that do not conflict with the Park’s agricultural and wildlife values. I support hiking, dog walking, horse back riding, walking the trails, running, jogging, picnics, birthday parties, family gatherings, weddings, non-motorized use of the Park and memorials. We demand to know why, after 9 years; the Park Board informs us that we can no longer have these activities without a zoning change and closed the Park.
Like I just said in the above thread, later in the show, when all the tables were done and truitt was counting the answers, and getting frazzled with the yes with conditions answers, she then just wanted everyone with a show of hands and just yes or NO to Summer arts festival, I was one of four that voted NO!
And as for you Mr. Kirk, you should take the time and go to the next meeting, that way when you are talking on your blog you will be well informed, not just repeat here-say………
You more than anyone should know, there are always two sides to every story.
March 26, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Eric Kirk
Okay, but you voted for the Summer Arts Festival at the Community Park.
That’s called “progress.”
March 26, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Lefty
And as for you mr. voice, you should take the time to go to Summer Arts this year and then you would know that the only way it compares to Reggae on the River is that a Reggae Band play’s there now and again.
March 26, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Ed Voice
OK lefty, I will do that, hell I go to Earth Dance every year, I’m sure there are less naked people walking around, I hope the bands are as good. I have been going to Earth Dance for awhile now, it would be nice to visit Summer arts. Hope to see you there, I’ll let you know what I think. I could just walk up river from the house.
Why are you called lefty?
Thanks
Ed Voice
March 27, 2009 at 4:27 am
anonamie
Another local venue, Toph’s House, has been shut down due to neighbor’s complaints. Summer Arts is across the freeway, does that mean it will be shut down as well? That event is pretty noisy. Don’t forget the 4th of July with its fireworks. Kaboom!
March 27, 2009 at 6:38 am
Lefty
I think your going to like it ed. It’s not just music. You could get some nice jewelry and a hat that would fit right in at Earth Dance. As for naked women I wouldn’t know which has the most (can you ever have too many?), but you can let me know about that as well, have a nice walk.
My name has to do with baseball and food. If you ever go south, head to Union Square in S.F. and have lunch at Lefty O’doul’s. It’s hard to stay seated if you like the game because of all the great pictures on the wall. There used to be one in Vancouver B.C. on Robson St. but it was sold a few years ago and became yuppified.
Oh yeah…I am also one of those bleeding heart liberals you hear so much about. Yeah, and I am proud of that too.
March 27, 2009 at 6:44 am
Anonymous
Dianna Totten has been paying the fire dept out of her paycheck from randals wating to get reimbursed from the dimmick ranch .The plumber the school the fuel co no one has been paid
March 27, 2009 at 7:19 am
Blue Jay
Maybe her name was just taken off for marketing purposes.
March 27, 2009 at 8:42 am
truthorfiction?
“Another local venue, Toph’s House” yahoo. reality check for PP. or is it karma?
March 27, 2009 at 9:47 am
Ed Voice
Well at Earth Dance 1 out of every 3 or 4 females are naked by the 1st night, its about as big or bigger than, you know that other experience on the South Fork of the Eel River. The one thing about Earth Dance, its not around a lot of neighbors, its very spread out, What you see from 101 is about 1/4 of what is there.
The only problem I have with naked people, are the naked guys. You know the game you play with kids on a car road trip, counting things along the way to pass the time, well you can do the same thing at Earth Dance. I don’t know, maybe its just me, but when I’m waiting in line to buy a hot dog, I don’t like standing next to guy who is only wearing red green and yellow paint, a hat and High as hell on E.
Thanks Lefty
Ed
March 27, 2009 at 9:49 am
Eric Kirk
Then maybe the park can be zoned against naked guys. Right now I don’t think it violates the strict ag use requirements.
March 27, 2009 at 10:10 am
Ed Voice
Dam Straight, and they need to keep those same naked guys away from any livestock, because what happens in SoHum, doesn’t always seem to stay in SoHum.
March 29, 2009 at 12:09 am
Marcia
Sigh… I root around inside myself to find compassion for Carol but…
It’s so classic an example of cause and effect. She brought it on –
onto herself and into the heart of our community. A heavy burden of responsibility to carry for the rest of one’s life. I wish her wisdom.
As for the Dimmick karma. – I don’t think the wheel will take very long to find equilibrium.
Blessings on us all and may we all learn the lessons.
Love,
Marcia
March 29, 2009 at 11:50 am
not that confused
Well, I’m all for moving on, but come on really. I thought only Carol could do the show. After all, the safety of the entire soHum world depends on her and only her doing the show. I think they’re all full of crap. I won’t be there and be part of their full of crap feast.
As for Toph’s house, I’m all for another local venue to do shows. But they haven’t gotten the proper permits (meaning the review) to do shows there. It just has to be dealt with .
And they Park… I ope they do get a zoning change and a conditional use permit to do 6 medium size events with amplified music and one night camping. I hope we can have a ren faire and all sorts of fun things to do here. Sorry neighbors, it’s just what I think.
March 29, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Ed Voice
OK “not that confused” educate me, why do you need to do 6 medium size events with amplified music and one night camping and or a “ren faire” down at the Park. Why can’t Benbow work? Why does everyone need their own event venue? Why not rent the Redway School, or the old Graberville School for events, lots of space, its flat.
It seems everyone needs their own turf to kick it, bigger is always better. You don’t have to be sorry, just think how you would like it in your back yard, all summer long……….
Please tell me why the Park is so important for you, them please tell me where you live.
You know there is the anti big box Walmart crowd, that fight tooth and nail to keep Walmart out of there community, but then will drive across town to shop there.
Lets start with 6 events and concerts a year, with over 500 people each.
1. How many is over 500 People?
2. How much bigger will it grow per event, per year, year after year?
3. How many campers will you be allowing?
4. How many Cars and RV’s?
5. Are you going to using the River Bar for Parking or Camping?
6. Will the people bathing in the river at Tooby Park or around the bridge, just up stream from the River Crest and Garberville water intakes be affected or effected? Would you drink the water with that many people swimming and bathing in it, that late in the summer, when the river is low and moving very slow?
7. How many venders are going to be attending the event?
8. How many performers?
9. What about Sprowel Creek Road, can it support the traffic 6 times a year?
10. What are your hours of the event? And what do you do if neighbors are in your face at 1 am, cutting your power lines? We know calling the Sheriff doesn’t work, so we use the SoHum rules.
The List goes on, try to answer the 10 questions for me, and we can go from there.
I wish the Park Board would use this forum, we could get a lot done for once.
Thanks
March 30, 2009 at 2:40 am
Anon
Benbow has several geographical limitations. It is owned by the State. Ever tried to plan something when the State is involved? It is very expensive to use. Parking is a problem there and there isn’t a good cure for it. It is small. People have more wiggle room at Tooby and are happier. Happier crowds cause less problems. Community dollars go into a park dedicated to the community not into one or two private hands or the government’s. Sanitation services once developed would be easier to handle than at Benbow. Again people being happier. People enjoying their community park.
The road beds down there all need an upgrade. Increased traffic on the road will pressure the county to think about fixing things up a bit.
I am not on the board and I am not the one you asked the opinion of. I am just adding my gunk. Sorry bout that.
March 30, 2009 at 11:52 am
Ed Voice
Anon,
My point is, you and everyone else in this community and SoHum should be involved with what activities are to take place at Community Park not just the Board. The Board is a self elected non-membership government, just like the State, but in a smaller scale. Even at the State level, they have public elections, but not for this Park Board.
For as much as we all dislike government, this is what the Park Board has become. Did you know this Park Board can serve for three continues three year terms as Directors? Well they can. So that means they can serve for 9 years, then sit out one year and be voted back in (by their buddies) for another NINE!
The Mateel has said it costs $15,000 to put on Summer Arts at Benbow. If you use their numbers of 2500 per day @ $12 a head that is $60K, that is not counting money from Advertisers, Sponsorship Packages, venders, food booths or Parking. And at the same time not having to jump thru the County CEQA, CUP or EIR process $$$$.
Even though you dislike the State and our Parks system, this State Recreation area is important to this area and community. Continued use at our State Park is good, not bad.
As for your Happy Camper comment, I think most people know what Happy means, why do you skirt the issue. What you mean is, the Park is a better place to keep people Happy by openly using the products that people come here to buy. Do you think people travel here just for the show, most people could not put up with the music, unless they were Happy. Having an open forum to sell and supply a captive audience with your products, that’s what you mean RIGHT? Smoke our agriculture rich products, eat our prepared food, sleep on our land and all at what price? That would be at the price of admission, on a sliding scale.
The billing was, “build it and they will come”. For this area it should be billed as “Grow it and they will Come”.
Come on, the hook is the weed, not the venders, not the food, not the music, not the community, its all about the Dollar. The same for the Park Board, the same as the State and the government you dislike so much.
What I am waiting for is the Drive Thru Hemp Tree. Reverse the Redwood theme, use Hemp as the draw. Think of it, tourists would buy little growing hemp plants to take home, buy little logging trucks with hemp trees on them, anything you have ever seen sold made from Redwood would now be made from Hemp. How green is that idea………..
March 30, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Anon
If I had to get a consensus of opinions from a group of people bigger than twelve, not to mention hundreds or thousands, I’d like my family to please just shoot me before I ever thought of putting myself into such a meat grinder. It would be a question of sanity at any place on Earth. In Southern Humboldt it would be just plain suicidal.
Democracy is a great thing. Tyranny of the masses though is why we have boards of directors as well as tar and feathers (most likely).
March 30, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Anon
There was no double entendre meant in the word happy. Although yes it does mean that for some. It is just a fact of life that when people have more personal space they are more relaxed and comfortable. Ask your spouse to go in the other room and see what I mean.
In fact the community park also has room for camping and that means that people who have imbibed won’t be out on the roads when they shouldn’t be and your teenagers can sleep it off close to home without putting the family SUV and six friends over the cliff. It also has the ability to have wildlife and fauna trails. A great learning tool for community children and others to learn about the area. Sure people will visit the park anyhow but not in the numbers or from other local areas the way they would for a reasonable sized amplified music show. Garberville gets to strut its stuff this way and maybe even become more important to the rest of the county. (I know this is just what all of you want to have happen so I thought I’d throw it in there to take away from the slight on the spouse thing).
And you know Ed if you work it right you too could come out with six weekend trips to Mendocino a year!
March 31, 2009 at 8:51 am
Ed Voice
Anon,
So if most people in the area think events, concerts and festival should be down at the Park, should the public be on the hook for what its going to cost: RE rezone the Park Land for a Concert Venue ($50K to $100K).
So between 5 & 10 years from now, it doesn’t matter to you that the Park will be nothing but a Concert Venue, with no room for a Park? When this Park thing first started in 2000 and at their first meeting, it was made clear from the community and neighbors that we didn’t want Reggae down here. That is what everyone thought was going to happen. The Park Board told all of us, Reggae would never come down to the Park, nor would another kind of Concert Venue be started.
So we see what things have turned into. The Park Board is now having to do what was required back in 2002, if the truth was known, it would have been cheaper back then to get all their CEQA, CUP and EIR, but they could not have done that, because the public didn’t want a Concert Venue at the Park.
I still don’t understand why homeowners or neighbors of the Park have to leave the area so they don’t have to put up with all the new Park Board Crap. I guess the new way of thinking in SoHum is, Go with the flow, don’t speak up, keep your mouth shut, sacrifice the few for the many, look the other way, careful what you wish for and just let people walk all over you and your rights?
I also guess if our family bought our house in 2000 or 2001 we could not bitch about this what so ever, but given the fact we have owned this house since 1966, it should not matter either.
What is so wrong with what I am doing, I am protecting our home and property, if I don’t like what someone is doing that effects me, my family and or my property, then I will speak out and act. The Mateel did the same thing, back when Redwood towing was planning on going in next to them. The Mateel along with hundreds of many other people petitioned the County, made trips to Eureka, said Redwood towing would be an eye sore, causing noise and the land was not zoned for automotive services or storage. This was their right to speak out against something they did not like or want in their neighborhood. Was it wrong, NO…..
I guess that’s why the neighbors are getting slammed in public for causing this so called controversy. It could be we have a valid point and case, and maybe someone in Eureka will hear us and limit what the Park Board has planned and wants to do. The Park Board doesn’t have a leg to stand on, so they will do and say anything that make’s us look bad, spin what we say and are fighting for, the Park Bard will do what ever it takes to get what they want, even if it means shutting down both Parks to show what power they have. I hope to god, nothing like this ever happens to you or someone you care for.
Did you go to the Park meeting back on Feb 24th at the Mateel Center. Man, at that point I thought I was going to be wearing a tar & feather suit.
Well I lived though that, and if the truth were known, I have worked harder to fight against this rezoning and concert venue at the Park.
Thanks
March 31, 2009 at 9:36 am
anana muss
Please leave the park a park. We have enough in infrastructure already to take care of. Mateel, Beginnings,…. all the fire depts, hospital, clinic, schools, all needing money to stay afloat. Any money that goes into turning the park into a venue takes away precious dollars from what we already have. Benbow is a fine place for outdoor gigs. And this is the last year I think that td has the lease at Frenchs, so maybe that will become available in the future. Again, Please leave The Park a Park.
April 2, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Ed Voice
Anon,
As to your comment “In fact the community park also has room for camping and that means that people who have imbibed won’t be out on the roads when they shouldn’t be and your teenagers can sleep it off close to home without putting the family SUV and six friends over the cliff”.
It makes me wonder if you have or had teen’s. The fact you feel the Park would be a safe place for kids to sleep it off after “imbibed” or what ever at our Community Park is sad. What does this say for our Park or Community. In other works, as you describe it and another way to put it, you don’t have a problem with a teenage girl passing out at an event down at the Park, not knowing the other kind of people that could take advantage of the situation? How safe is that, and what is that saying about being parents. Remember you are talking about a lot more than local people coming to the event, and in most cases who are some of these local people. Are these events just a place to party, out of sight, off the radar and no rulers.
To only think of the Park as a safe place for our youth to party and sleep it off, is not a very good reason to have events at the Park! I am sorry to hear this being thought of, but it needs to be talked about and thought out in this community.
Thanks
April 2, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Not A Native
Ed,
I don’t know you, but your “voice” on this blog is a refreshing change from the denial and thoughtless irresponsibility so often expressed or endorsed here.
Don’t be silenced by Eric or any others. You have the moral high ground. Hope you link up with Emma in her efforts to protect youth from the consequences of the community abandoning concern for their upbringing.
I think a real community park, not another surreptitious commercial enterprise to distribute what grows here, would be an example to everyone that worthy projects don’t need clandestine and secret arrangements to succeed. Hope you prevail.
April 2, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Eric Kirk
NAN – somehow I doubt that Emma is happy with Ed’s efforts which have jeopardized a park-based event of importance to her.
http://reggaeriding.blogspot.com/
There are many divisions in Sohum around a variety of issues. But there is absolutely no doubt that the vast majority of the community are behind the park and its many uses.
April 2, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Not A Native
Eric, Emma will speak for herself, I look forward to her thoughts on the issue. But I doubt she wants park events that result in teens needing to “sleep it off”. Really, I think her and Ed’s ideas for appropriate park events would be very similar.
April 2, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Ed Voice
You are right Eric, How dare I speak my mind, How dare I think of things and say them out loud. Most people need to know what this Park Board is all about. They call them fundraisers, gatherings, family freindly fun etc etc.
Please name an event at the Park, in the last two years that didn’t have BEER, WINE or BOOZE being sold. I’m sure there had to of been one or two. And I’m not just talking about private parties, I’m talking about public one’s.
And as for the park, would you let your kids walk or bike down at the Park, just drop them off, pick them up later??? Next time you do this, ask yourself who are the people living in their truck, a bus and trailer down at what is now Stephen Dazeys Land, just down from the Kimtu parking lot. Just who are these people???
Did you read what the Park Board put down on their petition application as the project discription for wanting to rezone the Park.
“In an effort to fulfull our mission, the Southern Humboldt Community Park requests a zoning change on our 405 acre parsel to better serve the social, civic, educational, agricultural and recreational needs of the Southern Humboldt Community”
SO, they told us at the March 18 meeting, the following events, activities and gatherings were to be included on the applications for the Park:
Mateel Summer Arts & Music Festival, 2500 per day for 2 days.
Six medium size events & gatherings over 500 people.
Unlimited events & gatherings under 500 people.
Soccer and baseball fields.
Trail Use.
What happened, what changed, why can’t this Park Board spell out what they want. They want events that allow “lets get high, lets drink and listen to loud music all night long parties, because you know why, thats what makes money, that is what sells tickets. But we will call them social, civic, educational, agricultural and recreational gatherings and fundraisers!!!
April 2, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Eric Kirk
You’re not just speaking your mind Ed. You’ve written numerous letters to every agency, every individual, and non-profit which has any minimum dealing with the park, and badmouthed the volunteer board to all of them. That’s not speaking your mind. That’s trying to bring the park down and all of the people who have devoted hours and hours of time to the community for free.
You’re way out of line.
April 2, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Ed Voice
So I guess its not different from what you are doing to me and my rights as we speak right now.
Yes, I have called the Park Board to the carpet on what they are doing, I have written numerous letters, asking questions about what the Park Board will not share with this community or the public.
If my letters were full of crap! Why did the County shut down their Mateel Concerts and Irie Boogie events, why did the Park Board all of a sudden start having public meetings.
If by volunteer or free, you mean not receiving, benefiting or making any monetary compensation from being a Board of Director of the SHCP, well do you want me to go there, screw it I will. Lets start off with:
Peter Ryce said Kathryn Lobato is a paid Board of Director.
Tim Metz has made compensation from interest of a loan to the Park.
Tim Metz had made compensation from a USDA EQIP contract.
Stephen Dazey has benefited with a million dollar parcel of land.
So if these people were not Board Directors of the Park, would they have been compensated by Park public funds or assets?
There is more, if you want me to keep going………….
If you want Kirk, I can put my letters on your blog, that way people can see what I am asking?
April 2, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Eric Kirk
So I guess its not different from what you are doing to me and my rights as we speak right now.
You’re taking my rights Ed. I haven’t blocked anything you’ve posted. But you’re trying to take away my rights to comment on your comments. See, freedom of expression gives us the right to speech without coercion. But it doesn’t give us the right to speech without criticism.
The situation is that the ag laws are extremely restrictive. Much more restrictive than necessary as evidenced by the fact that since the property has been owned by the park its agricultural productivity has increased dramatically, not decreased. Whatever the wisdom of the ag laws they clearly don’t apply to this situation. That’s why the county was willing to look the other way. The uses were technically in violation, but conforming in spirit. You forced the county’s hand in enforcing the laws that ensure agricultural output, but you have not succeeded in increasing agricultural output. You’ve succeeded in denying the community one of its most precious assets.
By volunteer or free I mean volunteer or free. The work the board members perform as members of the board are free.
April 2, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Ed Voice
So I guess we agree to disagree. Your assuming the County was looking the other way. Why don’t you have someone from planning on your KMUD show, and ask them. Quote someone for a change. You have not blocked me because what I have always spoke the truth.
I along with many others “forced” the Parks Board hand. The Park Board has known since 2000 what they needed to do, either rezone the land or just have a Park that didn’t need to be rezoned, that is a fact. The Park made its decision to look the other way, not the County. They must have figured they would never get caught. And now that they did, I and many other people are paying the price. That’s ok by me, but shame on you for allowing it to happen and justifying it for them. You sir are playing the blame game, looking for someone to point the finger at, and say, it was THEM, they are the reason for it all. Not willing to take responsibility for your their actions.
See Dick drink, See Dick drive, don’t be a Dick………………..
April 3, 2009 at 6:57 am
the last stone
Since your last name is “voice” I can see how you might be confused about the importance of your views and your right to drown out the objections of others in excess verbiage.
It appears that the reason you have to send so many letters — and repeat your mostly baseless perspectives on the performance of the park board so often — is that you are badly out numbered. The great majority of the community supports both the park board and a wide variety activities at the park — including the summer arts fair and a moderately sized venue on a small portion of the park property.
Too bad your mamma didn’t marry a guy named “reason”. That’s a fact.
April 3, 2009 at 8:52 am
Ed Voice
The Last Stone;
My “Voice” is my “Reason”. If you can produce any documents that contradict anything I have stated about the Park Board of Directors and the inept way they have operated our Community Park please do so.
You along with others are being bamboozled. The Park Board has pulled the wool over your eyes, not mine. I can see clearly what the facts are. My facts are on paper, not just in my head. If you want to back the Park Board, by all means do so. But if you or others continue to do so, speak with facts, not the normal spin and miss-information. I say again, what is wrong with asking questions. Think in terms of “Show me the Money”
FYI, If your going to talk about someone’s last name, its only far to use your own.
April 3, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Not A Native
Ed, you have committed the worst offense possible in a society of outlaws. You’ve openly accepted the legitimacy of the remote sovereign authority, asking it to intervene in a matter where local warlords have already made a final decision. You’re getting blowback, which very well may become violent if significant financial interests become threatened.
Like Lucille Vineyard, the woman who successfully agitated for the creation of Redwood National Park against Orick rednecks, you’re trying to preserve environmental resources from depletion by local private economic interests of “redneck hippies”. The park board’s vision for the park seems to be the eventual creation of a “Redwood Acres” facility.
April 3, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Ed Voice
Not A Native –
Everything you say is true and more. The reason I am who I am, is because I am from Garberville and Redway, I know the rules, and in most cases, there are none. The people that live here and trying to control everything, they are implants. They are want-to-be’s, inept in their ways, and ethically challenged.
These same people want to control everything in our life. The only know fear and aspersions. I have been toe to toe with the worst of them and I am still here.
Just remember, the road to hell is often paved with good intentions. Thank god they had enough reason to re-open the Parks, hopefully this will be for good and forever.
The new rules issued for the Parks by Lobato today, are exactly what we had been asking for all along, no more no less.
April 4, 2009 at 11:00 am
the last stone
These same people want to control everything in our life. The only know fear and aspersions. I have been toe to toe with the worst of them and I am still here.
This is so, I don’t know, I guess quixotic is the word. First you create evil opponents out of thin air. Then you ascribe all kinds of fantasy attributes to them using false accusations and miscellaneous facts strung together into a travesty of reality — like a game of dungeons and dragons or something. And then, off you go: tilting at dedicated, competent and fundamentally decent people as if you were some kind of hero — braving the threatening sight of naked bestial males and judging musical events by the numbers naked women. WTF. Get a grip.
This kind of inflammatory, polarizing, self-aggrandizement fundamentally undermines the community’s ability to hold a productive open planning process for the community park. The aspersions cast on the park board in this thread and others constitute a serious distraction from the community’s efforts to develop clear, specific and binding limits on the size and scale of events to be held at the park.
April 4, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Ed Voice
Mr. or Ms. Last Stone,
First off you need to read what I have said in the past, because of what you seem to have interpreted, twisted or made-up along the way. You like many other people in this community have a different vision for the Park than my point of view. We, the so called “detractors of the Park” have only wanted what is now currently allowed at both the Community & Tooby Park. That is all we have been trying to achieve. The Community and Tooby Parks should just be that, A Park, not a Concert or Festival Venue, parking lot and campground, but just a Park on AE zoned land.
By the way, I would like to point out, I have only chimed in on this blog when someone like yourself has talked about people like me. People will believe what they want to believe, no one person can ever change that behavior.
You have done and said more to incite people about this without once ever explaining what it is you want for the Park. Please share with us all, what’s your vision for the Park. And if you mean what you say, why can’t you use your real name? What are you afraid of? You talk the big talk, but come short about the facts.
If I am so far out there, If I am so dead wrong about any aspect or point I am making about the Park Board, then prove me wrong, come on push the button. Show or say something that is fact. Stand up, come to a public community meeting, don’t just hide behind this blog or made-up name, lets talk face to face in a community meeting, that is how you get something done.
Its too bad the same amount of people that came just to boo and hiss at the Mateel/Park meeting back in February don’t show up for what is important, and that is a real community meeting, that will take us forward to the use of the Parks. They canceled this last meeting. People need to talk to each other, in the same room, without fear of name calling, without being told what they can or can’t say out loud in a meeting or anywhere else.
I am so glad the Park Board reopened both Parks, I don’t like how and why they did it, but for right now its open for all to use as a Community Park not a concert venue.
April 5, 2009 at 6:28 pm
not that confused
Well this discussion has gotten way off topic, but I know I contributed to that too…
In any event, why 6 events? Because that would allow the ones that have been getting established there to remain, and then allow for one more. I live in Redway, since you asked. People come by my house all summer long to use the river. It’s not that private, but I don’t mind, since I know I’m blessed to be here all year long. They have to leave their home to come to my back yard. Maybe you, Ed, could look at the events at the park in a more generous manner. I think you’re being selfish. Are a few days out of your life to be inconvenienced, really that big of a deal? I guess they are if you are one that has never wanted to see change.
As for all of Ed’s talk about why people go to events around here, he maybe talking of some, but not all. I certainly do not go to any of the events (which I’ve been to all the larger events at the park, but not the Everlast show…) to sell or smoke weed. I don’t get drunk there either. I do go to have a good time, listen to music, visit with friends in a very special place. Not much more to it than than for me. No illegal ulterior motive.
April 6, 2009 at 12:04 am
Anonymous
What your saying its like Playboy magazine, people only buy them to read the articles? Its great you live in Redway, most people who want the Mateel Concerts at the Park live in Redway, far from the scene of the crime.
Nobody including Voice should have to put up with – I think you’re being selfish. Are a few days out of your life to be inconvenienced, really that big of a deal? I guess they are if you are one that has never wanted to see change – besides what about the Park and the River. Do you drink bottled water, because the last time I looked, Redway is down stream from the Park.
I’m also quite sure 300 to 500 people a day are not coming down by your house to use the River. I think we are past this now, the Park is open, they are wroking with the County, lets see where this all goes.
April 6, 2009 at 5:57 am
Ed Voice
not that confused, I had to look back and remember what we talked about.
I’m glad you are blessed to live on the river in Redway, thanks for sharing with the group. I was blessed once too, lived by the river as a kid, with a new Park just across the river, a great swimming hole under the bridge with a rope swing, this was the biggest blessing anyone could ever ask for that lasted for 19 years. But then at some point we must have pissed off the gods, because then the river bar below our house turned into the gates of hell, and hell keep growing below our house.
Wow now I feel better, anyway we have to put up with this crap 6 days a week all year round, but I forget you live in Redway and have the toes to ask me to put up with, what did you say, “Are a few days out of your life to be inconvenienced, really that big of a deal”. You know the letters F & U come to mind, but we will not go there.
What have we become down here below Garberville, the place where things go that no one else wants to put up with. Why down here, why not in your back yard? If you give up prime AG land down here at the Park just for a Rock/Reggae show you will loose it for EVER, you will never get it back. Once it gone, its gone.
I hope you have a great year at the Park. It will be nice to give the Park a rest and breather it needs one. You know maybe we will all find that the Park just being a Park with its new set of rules will be great. Anyone can play music and turn it up, but where else can you fine such a more wonderful place to just get lost in 24/7.
Thanks
Ed Voice
April 6, 2009 at 8:23 pm
not that confused or sensitive
I guess you do think that 6 days out of your lives is a big deal. fine by me, if you want to be so pissed off. I have better things to do. I’m sorry you’re feeling so put out. I guess the noise pollution, road issues etc will also be worked out in the EIR and we will find out what the land can bear> I know this is a conscious community and we can find compatible uses. The concert venue is less than 5% of the total park acreage. You make it sound like it will be blacktopped over and “lost” forever and that just isn’t the case.
As of my drinking water, I have a multipure on my tap. I know it doesn’t remove everything. I actually trust bottled water less than that from the treatment plants. I worry most about pharmaceuticals and caffeine in my drinking water, than a few dirty yippies swimming and smoking. You should too, regardless of where you live, unless you are blessed to have unpolluted spring water. Most people on rivers or community service districts or municipalities, live downstream of something. We’re pretty darn blessed on the South Fork that there aren’t lots of power plants, or factories and the like that have the potential to really screw up water quality. Although, we do have lots of dope growers and RV parks. Have you ever seen the water adjacent to and downstream of the Benbow RV park in the summer? Wow, now that is some serious toxic algae sludge… Then there are questions regarding the aging septics at Standish Hickey… etc. And what about all those cars on the River Bar at Reggae? Isn’t park of Dimmick’s concert venue zoned ag exclusive…? Why does he get a concert venue without a zoning change?
Oh, and again I digress. And Ed, I really don’t care if you use the letters F and U to me. I really don’t care. That’s your anger, not mine. I feel peace. I hope you can find some too.
April 6, 2009 at 10:20 pm
gonetotowner
uh, did anyone heppen to hear Carol Brunos’s Friday March 27 interview re: the supposed topic of this thread? I found it interesting she could not directly adress the quiestion about her tough fight to keep reggae for herself and now so soon after the battle, chosing to hand it over to Tom etal. There is an old interview w/tum on the same broadcast. All very sad.
April 6, 2009 at 10:33 pm
anon
Ed said”As of my drinking water, I have a multipure on my tap. I know it doesn’t remove everything.”
Rest assured – multi-pure is THE best filtration system on the market. It has a 3 phase filtration w/ soft exterior, a more porous material, then a SOLID CARBON BLOCK that removes yuck down to .04 microns. IT removes virtually 99.9 % of the harmful chemicals, solids and purifying agents (bleach/chlorine) found in our water. I think Steve even sells them. ;0
April 7, 2009 at 9:16 am
Ed Voice
Dear: not that confused or sensitive,
Am I missing something here, You said:
“We’re pretty darn blessed on the South Fork that there aren’t lots of power plants, or factories and the like that have the potential to really screw up water quality”.
What do you mean by “factories”. Do you mean processing or production factories, e.g. instream gravel extraction, rock crushing, stockpiling and cement/concrete batch plant operation all on the river bar and below the flood plain. Next time you drive down to the Community Park on Sprowel Creek Road pull over when you are across the river from the Moody bridge, tell me what you see, look what has taken over the river bar. Just so we are clear, 90 % of that operation is leasing its land from the Community Park Board.
If you would have gone to the SHCP Planning meeting at Redway school on March 18th, that same question was asked of Kirk Girard, Planning director for Humboldt County, as he stated, the Dimmick land for Reggae is zoned AL not AE, it allows more kinds of activities than AE.
To answer your other question about cars and septic. You don’t have to pave anywhere on the Park, you don’t have to, just parking cars & RV’s is just as bad. Its not where the people coming to concerts are going to park, its where they will park anyway, down on the river bar, same with camping. That sea of cars, RV’s and tents you see in photos at Reggae for the last 10 to 15 years, that’s not how it started, it started smaller, just like down here at the Park, growing every year until it gets to be just like Cooks Valley today. As for the septic question, you should to talk with Tim Metz, he is the Pres. for the Park Board, he has said they want to put in flush bathrooms with septic systems in at the Park.
As to the comment:
“The concert venue is less than 5% of the total park acreage. You make it sound like it will be blacktopped over and “lost” forever and that just isn’t the case”
Let me educate you and everyone else. Here is one example; On the Irie Boogie 2008 web site it states:
“The Boogie is an all day party on over 100 serene acres of meadows and oak trees, livened up with live music, djs, dance troupes, a kidtopia, top-notch firedancing, and human creativity at its wildest! At night, while the fire pit stirs up tribal memories, the barn hosts up reggae/electronic/world beats………come and mingle with new friends and old, and party freely and responsibly. IDs are REQUIRED AT THE DOOR” http://www.irieboogie.com/
Now according to the Park Board, they had less than 500 people attend Irie Boogie in 2008. So they are using almost 1/3 of the Park property on the flat, also including the Barn but not including the Garberville Community Farm land. What we don’t know is how many acre’s of parking Irie Boogie used. Now, are you telling me that 2500 people a day for two days, plus over 150 craft venders, food booths with 100 entertainers/bands on 4 to 5 different stages the Mateel Summer Arts Festival is only going to using 5% of the 380 acre’s of the Parks Flat? Remember it takes 1 acre of land to park less than 80 to 100 cars, trucks, trailers and RV’s, depending on size. In the other direction, a good rule of thumb is to have about 1 acre of good pasture land per horse. I would rather see 300 horse’s than anything else.
Next time you visit the store or any big parking lot, look at where the cars park, how much oil do you see on the pavement?
Thanks
Ed Voice
April 7, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Ed Voice
Before I forget, here is one more important fact to share. I looked back at the Irie Boogie 2007 web site, it said:
“We invite you to participate in this year’s theme: “EMBRACE THE MYSTERY” It’s an all day/all night party on over 40 serene acres of meadows and oak trees, spiced up with live local music, henna, face painting, breakdancers, hoola hoping, a group toast, firedancing, djs, and beyond – FAMILIES WELCOME! At night we’ll move into the barn to dance to reggae/electronic/world beats………mingle with new friends and old, and party freely and responsibly”. http://www.irieboogie.com/07/index.htm
This is important because it shows, in just one year with this “party” down at the Park, it has grow by 60%. This would be on Park Ag land. The other important thing to remember, both 2007 & 2008 “Parties” were un-permitted by the County. So I guess it was the neighbors that caused all the fuss, not the fact that these un-permitted events were in violation of any County ordinance and zoning laws, that the Park Board knew before, during and after this event and many more. I would guess the Park Board thinks in terms of: “If its not broke, don’t fix it”.
Here is another question, how is this “Irie Boogie Party” helpful or a benefit to the Southern Humboldt Community, other than a place to “Party Freely”. Is this a “Fundraiser”. Why can’t the Community know who made all the money. They charge an admission, they use the Community Park, they park cars on Park Land, they serve liqueur and loud amplified music, reggae music. Isn’t this how Reggae on the River started????????
I was told “Irie Boogie” were kicked off Bear Butts for causing too many problems and noise! So if they can’t party in their own back yard because of loud music and party people, why do they come into my neck of the woods without asking anyone in the neighborhood?????
One more thing I did notice, The “Mateel Center” was a sponsor for both 2007 & 2008 “Irie Boogies” at the Community Park. Didn’t they start “Reggae On The River”? But yet I remember Tim Metz at the Redway School meeting on March 18th say; “Reggae will never come down to the Community Park”, in the same breath he said “Over My Dead Body”.
Party till the Cows come home, Thanks
Ed Voice
April 8, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Not A Native
Not that it matters to the people smug and self satisfied, certain that their water is pure, their use of the land is righteous, and their lives are the envy of others.
The cause of death for Piercy 18 yo Jenny Barnett was reported as drug overdose, ecstasy, morphine, valium. No alcohol. Guess the bliss of euphoric mind alteration was just too alluring. They’re still trying to decide suicide or accident. But at least her friends had the decency to bring her body to the ER. The latest sacrifice on the altar to nonjudgemental, libertarian outlaw drug culture.
And another local item from the TS. At the Eureka Dodge dealership service center, a man with ax handle lay in wait, assualted, and vandalized a truck registered in Ettersburg. The truck owner and his passenger, although injured according to witnesses, refused medical treatment. They drove off with windows broken when they learned the police had been called. Maybe they had consumed alcohol or maybe it was just a victimless crime.
I’ll assume the truck riders are public minded citizens who just don’t want to burden the public with the expense of administering laws. But somehow, I think these patriots will cause the public to incur even larger future costs, for the coroner and long term incarceration.
April 8, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Eric Kirk
Yes. The Park Board is responsible for drug overdoses in Piercy.
April 8, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Not A Native
She died at Mount Shasta. The Shasta police called it “completely preventable”. But I agree, as long as bodies don’t show up locally, there’s no connection at all to anything that happened here.
Like SoHum illegal growers aren’t responsible for the violence of turf wars and deals gone bad when their pot is sold on the streets of SoCal.
Don’t constrain current Park Board policy on a inconvenient theory that it will cause future harm somewhere else. We need a few actual deaths first. Maybe quite a few if lots of money will have to be forgone.
And cigarette manufacturers likewise aren’t responsible when smokers outside North Carolina develop illnesses. Even though an elitist activist court somewhere decided otherwise.
April 9, 2009 at 6:23 am
Ed Voice
It seems to me Capt. Kirk, that people in this community and SoHum need a venue to vent. Not just a place to blog about current events, but a place to speak their mind about things nobody want to say out loud on the street or back dirt road.
They say it takes a village to raise a child. The influence in any community is very important. Our kids in today’s world need all the help they can get, to become better people than we ever thought we could be.
By example is how it works, and if our example were to look the other way and not be accountable for our actions, then our kids would be better off living with wolves.
April 23, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Curious
I know this thread is dead… but I wonder if anyone who cares know that PB and family are leaving Humboldt- for good. Selling the house, the land and leaving. I hear he feels isolated from his community. Gee, I wonder why…Best wishes to him and his family.
December 31, 2009 at 10:39 pm
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