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Bob has posted some of the documents, and others may be found at the Mateel website.
From my brief perusal it appears that supporters of both sides have been spreading misinformation, most likely inadvertently. More later. Maybe.
Meanwhile, have at it.
Any word from the Court?
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April 25, 2007 at 12:48 am
Anonymous
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April 25, 2007 at 2:09 am
Anonymous
“both sides have been spreading misinformation, most likely inadvertently.”
and the cow jumped over the moon
April 25, 2007 at 2:29 am
Anonymous
just because It spreads like manure doesn’t mean its shit. if it is printed on the internet it has to be true. if you don’t like the message say its misinformation.
April 25, 2007 at 2:44 am
Anonymous
Last fall, the Mateel chose to play this whole thing out in the media, like some scummy reality TV show.
Now,they publish on the web the ABC’s of how they have continued to turn down Dimmick’s offers (which include annual guarantees better than the averages of their past nets from ROTR) and try to inflate the value of a name, which THEY have reduced in value, by dragging it through the mud for the past 6 months.
MCC’s efforts to discredit People Productions have not worked with people in the know. I have talked to several vendors who, of course, have completed applications for both Reggae on the River, and Reggae Rising. When it comes to paying their booth fee, a deadline coming soon, they have told me that they hesitate to give money to MCC/2b1, because they feel they won’t get it back if the show does not happen. However, they have no qualms about paying for a booth fee at Reggae Rising, because they KNOW that their money will be refunded, should the show not happen.
Mateel had the power to make this happen so differently. If they really wanted to sever ties with People Productions, they could have done it privately, quietly… in mediation, or between lawyers.
It galls me that there is still no resolution, and that the blogosphere is still our only source of discourse.
April 25, 2007 at 3:20 am
Anonymous
if mr dimmick would just give the mateel his property then there would be no reason for lawyers.
as for privately and discretely, well the only thing private or discrete about reggae is what happens in the little blue boxes.
and the blogosphere is only for cantankerous jackasses who believe that their whiny rants are being read by anyone who cares, or has an open mind.
my mind is made up and until the mcc gets everything that it deserves I will continue to waste everyones time who has the time to read what i blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog
April 25, 2007 at 3:39 am
Anonymous
Like, for instance, you???
April 25, 2007 at 3:43 am
Eric
The good news is that they are now haggling over the amount and they aren’t that far apart. Or at least that’s how it looks to me.
Dimmick would win at this point if he went to arbitration with what everyone is talking about now as it would be REALLY simple to show that there is no guarantee of income. Go ask the promoters of any of the other large festivals in NoCal (HSMF, SNWMF, Black Oak Ranch).
April 25, 2007 at 3:55 am
Anonymous
‘specially “with all the confusion in the community”..thanks to RR!!
April 25, 2007 at 3:58 am
Anonymous
I read it and think Tom Dimmick is a jerk. Was the formation of his own production company part of the deal struck between himself, and PB and CB before ROTR was moved? None of it appears to be good news to me. There is a clause, something about if TD doesn’t want to do ROTR for a year, then MCC gets it back for 5 years to produce, and nothing is mentioned about PP being the producer. So, if TD doesn’t care who produces it in that situation, why does he care now? I blame CB,PB, TD, for all the crap this community has had to endure the last few months. I’m pissed at all of them.
April 25, 2007 at 4:02 am
Anonymous
Read it again. He does not trust B2B to follow the rules set by the county or pay the bills.
April 25, 2007 at 4:03 am
Anonymous
I seriously question the wit of the MCC crew.
What is the big obsession with the first weekend in june? Protecting SummerArts? Which was only moved up that close to (rainy) May last year! SummerArts and any weekend we want exclusive rights to, should occur well after the first weekend in June! What happened to the 3rd weekend? I have seen it rain literally, buckets, way into June. We got lucky last year and it didn’t rain until Sunday nite/MOnday am.
Bad plan.
You have to think these things through people!
April 25, 2007 at 4:15 am
Anonymous
Keep reading, each time the MCC has offered any “deal” they have specifically stated that Carol Bruno cannot have any association with the production of “their” festival on the Tom’s land. The MCC is demanding that Tom create his own production company.
April 25, 2007 at 4:22 am
Anonymous
Carol blew it.
April 25, 2007 at 4:38 am
Anonymous
No, MCC blew it.
April 25, 2007 at 4:47 am
Anonymous
So this is where we are stuck………WHO DID WHAT……JUST FANTASTIC…..Lets all just start pointing fingers at eachother, this is always a productive way to produce a music festival. Not to mention Tanya Stapp will now ask everyone working for the summer arts faire to work for minimum wage…….Does anyone in this community work for minimum wage? I guess the Planning Commission cap did have a trickle down effect.
April 25, 2007 at 4:48 am
Eric V. Kirk
I blew it. I voted for Sanjaya.
April 25, 2007 at 4:52 am
Anonymous
Jah blew a BIG SNOT WAD all over this sordid mess.
Face it folks, there will NOT be a 2007 event — neither R.R. or RotR.
Period.
Just get over it.
April 25, 2007 at 4:56 am
Anonymous
Tanya Staupp will now ask everyone working for the summer arts faire to work for minimum wage…
Well, would you work for an event wristband to a forthcoming “Vapor-concert”?
Namely R.o.t.R. – R.I.P.
April 25, 2007 at 5:42 am
Anonymous
Eric @ 8:43
Why would you say Dimmick would win at arbitration? Regardless of any lessened value of Reggae, or who caused it, the value of the festival is not an issue in the lawsuit between MCC and Dimmick. The only matter the judge referred to the arbitrator is the validity of the MCC’s lease at his ranch. PP is not actually a party to the arbitration, just the lawsuit.
The only reason they’re haggling over price in negotiations is that Dimmick won’t accept any offer that lets MCC use his place, and will only go for a deal to buy them out.
April 25, 2007 at 6:36 am
Anonymous
I think the part of the press release for the Mateel not wanting to take responsibility for PP’s potential tax problems is very telling.
April 25, 2007 at 6:50 am
Eric V. Kirk
Sanjaya was voted down!
April 25, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Anonymous
This documents where we were two weeks ago: the conflict would resolve if Carol let go and got out of the middle. She won’t, and little Tommy is as loyal as any wristband hustler. No Reggae no cry.
April 25, 2007 at 3:26 pm
Anonymous
I love the PP spin.
Tue Apr 24, 07:44:00 PM
Very intertaining. Go ahead pp. Move along move along.
Hey Eric do you have to be a memeber of the MCC to vote for Sanjaya? If you do that is why he was voted out. He was not represnetd by the real people in the know. Just like the people in the know were not alowed to vote for the Mateel board because the people in the know are not memebers of the Mateel. The people in the know were not alowed to vote. The MCC is a scam.
April 25, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Anonymous
The world has fogged over with lawyer talk, my head hurts, and I’m well into making simpler plans for this year. Have fun! Whatever you decide. I won’t be there.
April 25, 2007 at 3:45 pm
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April 25, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Anonymous
If only “the people in the know” knew enough to spend ten bucks on a membership at the meeting. They’d have been paid back in backstage beer.
April 25, 2007 at 4:52 pm
Anonymous
Okay, I’ve wiped the tear from my eye for Sanjaya. So could I please ask a couple of questions?
1)When did Tom Dimmick decide to form his own production co., and are Carol Bruno and Paul Bassis part of it?
2)The part of the document that says that 2B1 has a bad reputation with musicians, vendors, royalty problems, where can the truth of that info be found? I googled them, and can’t find anything that substantiates those claims.
3) Where is the part in these documents that show Tom Dimmick put $100,000 of his money into infrastructure, as he said he did. I can’t find that.
Statement–I see no “offers” from Tom Dimmick, just the same sort of strong arm bully tactics that P.P. uses.If ROTR is truly lost for 2007, no one is going to change their mind on they blame. IMHO, the bottom line is Carol Bruno.
Signed–Kooky Irish 1
April 25, 2007 at 6:32 pm
Anonymous
kooky irish 1….answers:
1)MCC has stated they will not work with PP at all;if Tom Dimmick wants to have a festival with a MCC settlement, MCC said he must have his own production co.;it was not his idea.
2)You will not find any documentation about 2B1 business practices because nobody has been charged with anything. BUT, word in the music business in SF is that while running Maritime Hall in SF pirate tapes were made of copywritted material(with Boots knowledge);also security tended to rough people up. It won’t be on the internet, but ask independent people in the business in SF. 2B1 doesn’t have the best reputation, this is just what people are saying in the business, doesn’t mean it’s true.
3)Dimmick was to get paid $100,000 to use his property for the show last year. He got 0,the $$ went into infrastructure.
April 25, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Anonymous
kooky irish 1….answers:
1)MCC has stated they will not work with PP at all;if Tom Dimmick wants to have a festival with a MCC settlement, MCC said he must have his own production co.;it was not his idea.
2)You will not find any documentation about 2B1 business practices because nobody has been charged with anything. BUT, word in the music business in SF is that while running Maritime Hall in SF pirate tapes were made of copywritted material(with Boots knowledge);also security tended to rough people up. It won’t be on the internet, but ask independent people in the business in SF. 2B1 doesn’t have the best reputation, this is just what people are saying in the business, doesn’t mean it’s true.
3)Dimmick was to get paid $100,000 to use his property for the show last year. He got 0,the $$ went into infrastructure.
April 25, 2007 at 6:58 pm
Anonymous
How Tom used his profit from the festival is his business. I have read the contract and it provides for more than $100k. And what about his private loung People’s created for him. What about his suitcase of wristbands
And the crap about 2b1 has been checked out and dismissed as rumor mongering; he has an excellent reputation in the business unless you talk to a competitor
We have all been through this come up with something new
April 25, 2007 at 7:00 pm
Anonymous
It also requires Tom to invest 50 grand into the property and provide water, etc. If this wasnt ready he would have to put the money into it he could give the receipts for proof
April 25, 2007 at 7:36 pm
Anonymous
Could you do the same thing about People Productions?
April 25, 2007 at 7:44 pm
Anonymous
Knock yourself out. Just make sure you post facts that can be verified to back-up whatever statement your making.
Educate Yourself
April 25, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Anonymous
Yes, and please check out Danny Scher and Dansun company. I did google them, and saw a couple of instances where he “ran afoul of governmental agencies”(a quote from TD about 2B1) in SF.Thank you for answering my questions.Let me repeat that I did google 2B1 and found nothing. Since I found something on Dansun, does that mean there were charges brought?
Signed–Kooky Irish 1
April 25, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Anonymous
My favorite Danny Sher story concerns his backyard political fundraisers in Kensington, where hundreds of people, amped bands, tv and celebrity moths all descend onto his quiet, privileged street, and to hell with his neighbors’ feelings about it. When the zoning violations were presented to the govt, Danny struck back with a custom written state law courtesy of Peralta, I think, quasi-legalizing his personal zoning exemption. This is from the Bay Guardian. Sure he’ll be a good neighbor.
April 25, 2007 at 11:11 pm
Anonymous
Carol bloo it buy knot staying undre the radar.She got greedy, didn’t fufill her contraktual agrements and ignored the CUP. Nothing new, ‘cept this tyme she woodent even caffe up a measy 1/4 mill for the MCC. what is wrung? koodent u jest throw sum monney at the problum?? too late! bsides u allreddy kwit.
p.s.If CB endz up wit da show after all dis I will sh*t!
April 25, 2007 at 11:14 pm
Eric V. Kirk
And we fall right back into the same old crap.
April 26, 2007 at 12:39 am
Anonymous
slippery sh!t.
April 26, 2007 at 3:13 pm
Anonymous
“During this period Boots met fellow promoter Doug Green from Humbolt County who had a dream of making a venue in the mountains. So Boots with his production crew from the city met Doug and his friends in Humbolt . With chain saws, bulldozers, no money and lots of experience literally carved out of the mountain the venue known as “Reggae on the River”, Frenchs Camp. Boots continued on with “Reggae on the River” as it’s production manager/stage manager for 14 years”
while educating yourselves check out http://2b1records.com/
this quote is from their history.
don’t bad mouth boots or dusty will kick your ass.
April 26, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Anonymous
Reggae on the River Press Release
Vidalia, LA (OPENPRESS) April 25, 2007 — Henry Turner Jr. and Flavor and Cosmic Force will co-headline the 3rd Annual Reggae On The River with special guest performers Ricky Starr and Cat the Mystic, along with selected acts from the Vermont Reggae Festival and traditional blues, gospel, African, Caribbean reggae and world beat music acts, to be announced soon.
This years’ theme for the two-day, family oriented, event is ‘Irie Healing, One Love –Aiding Racial Harmony’. The festival will also feature cultural food presenters, Jamaican/African & Native American arts and crafts booths, plus an on and off site Irie One Love Reggae themed art gallery, as well as a spoken word, court vibing poetry and storytelling. For an additional treat WMPR’s DJ Selector from Jackson, Mississippi, will be performing with other guest DJ’s. Pre and after parties are scheduled, in Natchez, at Bobby J’s, Under the Hill Saloon and Different Accents.
Admission is free, until 2pm, but in the spirit of love, a donation of $7.00 in cash or non-perishable food is appreciated. After 2 p.m. general admission/donation is $10.00, students and senior citizens $5.00, children 6 and under free at the gate, advance tickets $7.00. Donations benefit Feed the Hungry in Vidalia, Louisiana and The Stewpot in Natchez, Mississippi.
The festival will take place at the Vidalia Amphitheatre, located at 100 Front Street, Vidalia, Louisiana, from noon to midnight. Event producers are Ras Cathe’ and Henry Turner. For tickets log on to http://www.brownpapertickets.com or call Ras Cathe’ at 225-993-5595, Henry Turner at 225-952-0784 or Joanna Ballard at 318-868-3840.
Reggae On The River honors the 100- year-old tradition of marching from Vidalia, Louisiana to Natchez, Mississippi on Memorial Day, to honor the “Civil War Freedom Fighters” buried at Natchez Memorial Cemetery. This tradition was started by members of the Grand Army of the Republic, along with their Women’s Relief Corps organization.
Additional information contact:
Marcia N. Groff
310/855-0498
Entertainment Enterprises
656 West Knoll Drive, #104
West Hollywood, CA 90069
Complete Press Release
April 26, 2007 at 3:17 pm
Anonymous
2b1’s credited with:
1) Fighting the police department on behalf of all after hour’s permits in S.F. and winning.
2) Fighting for the right to have Raves and Hip-Hop shows in San Francisco.
3) Being the only large capacity venue that promoted Hip-Hop, Country, Rap, Raves, Metal, Punk , Reggae and Performance Art.
4) Promoting over 200 Benefits over 6 years.
5) Setting up its own ticketing with 24 outlets and no service charge.
6) The first to use bare code tickets to eliminate counterfits.
7) Keeping concert tickets fairly prices from $8 to $25.
8) Forcing BGP to book other acts outside of their norm.
9) Forcing BGP to pay more for their acts because of competition.
10) Recording over 2000 separate performances on 24 track audio, and Video.
11) Hosting one of the first live Internet performances streamed on the net.
12) Bringing back the “Family Dog” from the 60’s.
13) Putting out 139 collectable posters.
14) Becoming home to many outside promoters, providing a safe environment for Raves, Hip-Hop, and Performance art.
15) Responsible for helping break new talent, Papa Roach, Incubus, Vinyl, Ozomatli, String Cheese, Galactic, Dell
16) Being the first Venue in 30 years to survive longer that a few months in San Francisco against BGP (Clear Channel). 2b1 and its troops lasted for 6 years.
17) Being the first venue to incorporate audio and video recording into all concerts.
One of the remarkable things 2b1 did was to breakdown the myth of violence at Hip-Hop, Rap, Metal and Punk shows.
from their history.
#1 & #2 fighting??? not too kool
sorry dusty don’t kick my ass
April 26, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Anonymous
Straight from 2b1′s website.
Challenge: Who, if any, will back-up 2b1′s claims to fame?
I Haven’t heard anyone come to their defense except for Dusty and Doug Green.
April 26, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Anonymous
Maybe the Mateel can offer to sell the trademark name to the Louisianna festival for a better deal.
April 26, 2007 at 5:56 pm
Anonymous
I haven’t heard anybody badmouth Boots except the pp minion(s).
April 26, 2007 at 6:41 pm
Anonymous
I don’t think the Louisiann festival needs to buy the name as they are already using it and have been for three years running.
Kinda makes it a moot point for the MCC to think it has any value.
There is another show is Sacramento using the name as well.
Makes it have even less value.
April 26, 2007 at 7:54 pm
Anonymous
Not withstanding his public PR, Dimmick seems to think the name is worth someething. According to the released papers from the Mateel. so it does not really matter what YOU think 11:41:00 AM .
The Mateel should do something about the trademark infringement though.
April 26, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Anonymous
This just in from Bob Doran…
A well placed source tells me that Judge Watson issued his ruling on the Mateel request for a preliminary injunction today.
He ruled against the injunction, which would apparently mean that Reggae Rising can now move forward unencumbered.
Details as they become available…
As promised, some details. I got a call a few minutes ago from Mateel E.D. Taunya Stapp. She was not happy about this post, in part because she learned that the judge ruled againt the Mateel, but also because she feels I overstated things, first by omitting the word preliminary in my description of the injunction (correction made) and second by suggesting that Tom Dimmick and People Productions are now “unencumbered.” (For what it’s worth, I did waffle a bit by saying “apparently.”) As she pointed out, the ruling does not decide any of the issues brought up. She suggested I call the Mateel’s attorney, Bill Bragg, to have him explain what this means.
I did.
He had not seen the ruling yet, which, he explained, has to do when his people check the mailbox at the courthouse.
To quote Mr. Bragg regarding what it means: “It’s as clear as mud. It does not resolve any of the sustentative issues.
“If the preliminary injunction was denied, the case remains open.”
Bragg and Stapp both figure the focus may now shift to the permit. As I pointed out to Taunya, it seemed pretty clear at the first hearing that the Planning Commission does not want to make the decision about who gets to put on Reggae, nevertheless the Mateel side was adamant in stating that the permit was in their name.
Taunya contends that Reggae Rising would have to get its own permit.
Bragg agreed that the Planning Dept. does not want to rule on the question, but he said, the Mateel could force the issue by suing the county to make them decide. As Tanya put it, “Now we’re going to have to play hardball.”
April 27, 2007 at 1:29 am
Anonymous
Oh, that’s just great. “Play hardball”. Threaten to sue the County. Meanwhile, the rest of the local non-profits sink into financial ruin, while the Mateel continues to duke it out, because they are too stubborn to compromise. For them, it’s all or nothing, even if it ends up being nothing.
April 27, 2007 at 2:02 am
Anonymous
You are all fired.
Donald Trump
April 27, 2007 at 3:22 am
Anonymous
The county has their collective head up their A$$ and their lawyers are all in bed with YOUKNOWWHO.
“You can’t fire me! I quit!” Carol Bruno
April 27, 2007 at 3:32 am
Anonymous
Dear Mateel, PLEASE go forward. Carol Bruno and Tom Dimmick are wrong. Don’t let them steal Reggae from the community center.
April 27, 2007 at 6:46 am
Anonymous
Dear Carol Bruno and Tom Dimmick, PLEASE go forward, the MCC is wrong. Don’t let them run this whole thing into the ground.
April 28, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Anonymous
the mcc has already run the whole thing into the ground, its time for
REGGAE RISING to RISE UP and entertain us the first weekend in August.
April 28, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Anonymous
If it’s not for profit it’s not for People. Privatize everything! All power to the owners! And if you don’t own it, steal it. “Possession is nine tenths of the law.”
May 1, 2007 at 4:28 am
Anonymous
Anonymous said…
Maybe the Mateel can offer to sell the trademark name to the Louisianna festival for a better deal.
Thu Apr 26, 10:16:00 AM
Maybe boots already did, you know he does own the trademark name for the time being.