From Mark Lovelace
Bankruptcy 101:
Understanding the Palco Chapter 11 Case
Fortuna River Lodge
A coalition of environmental, labor, and forestry organizations are presenting a free public workshop to help the community understand the Pacific Lumber Company’s bankruptcy. The workshop will be held at the Fortuna River Lodge on Friday evening, March 2nd, from 6 to 8 pm. The event is being sponsored by the Humboldt Watershed Council, the Alliance for Sustainable Jobs and the Environment, and other partners.
The purpose of this workshop is to help the public understand what Chapter 11 is, how the reorganization process works, the specifics of the Palco case, and some of the possible outcomes. The event will feature a presentation by Peter Clapp, an attorney with many years’ experience in corporate bankruptcy law. Mr. Clapp will explain the details of the process, what’s at stake, who the parties are, and some of the significant issues which have emerged so far.
This educational workshop is designed to be useful to anyone with either a financial stake or an interest in the Palco bankruptcy, including workers, retirees, contractors, and community members. The presentation will be followed by a facilitated question-and-answer session to allow attendees to further explore the Chapter 11 process and specific relevant issues.
For more information, please contact:
Mark Lovelace, President
Humboldt Watershed Council
(707) 822-1166
sheds@humboldt1.com
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February 25, 2007 at 5:18 am
Heraldo
Argh! Dueling identical posts! You beat me by four minutes.
February 25, 2007 at 5:29 am
Eric V. Kirk
Well, at least this time it isn’t the same title.
It’s important enough to warrant two posts.
February 25, 2007 at 5:43 am
Heraldo
I’m sure there’ll be a huge turn out.
February 25, 2007 at 6:03 am
Anonymous
Ten bucks says no more than a half dozen verified workers show (Not including contractors or concerned public, just workers or pensioners).
February 25, 2007 at 7:32 am
Steve Lewis
Yep. With the organizers listed you bet that the slant is not going to be beneficial to Palco workers except as a second-hand sop to workers if these anti-Palco orgs can make capital on disgruntled workers.
These are our enviro vultures circling around what they hope is a dead carcass.
February 25, 2007 at 7:37 am
Heraldo
Way to come at it from a place of conflict, Steve.
February 25, 2007 at 7:41 am
Steve Lewis
Enviro Vultures..
beady little red eyes looking for signs of life in the former giant..is it dead? Oh, wait..there! Did it move? We’d better circle some more and play it safe..
February 25, 2007 at 7:43 am
Steve Lewis
Heraldo, you don’t think that just by listing those orgs, the very ones hounding Palco year in and year out, that you’ve already thrown the gantlet down to Palco workers? Get real! Start flapping those wings..
February 25, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Anonymous
heraldo your breath is scary!
February 25, 2007 at 3:50 pm
Rose
I hope Mark is going to explain the Ken Miller’s “Humboldt” Watershed Council and his other activist groups played in bringing this about.
If Hurwitz leaves – will all the lawsuits and nasty PR manipulations just go away? Will whoever ends up with the company be allwed to operate in relative peace? Or will you move on to the next target?
February 25, 2007 at 4:03 pm
Heraldo
You’re crediting activist groups with causing the PALCO bankruptcy?
Maxxam’s long and detailed history of driving other companies into bankruptcy sealed PALCO’s fate long ago. Blaming Watershed Council is a sign of willful ignorance.
February 25, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Heraldo
If Hurwitz leaves – will all the lawsuits and nasty PR manipulations just go away?
Do you mean Hurwitz’ lawsuit against the state?
How much money do you think Maxxam paid “nasty PR” firm Hill & Knowlton to whip up hatred between timber workers and environmentalists? Apparently its paid off in spades with volunteers taking up the cause.
February 25, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Steve Lewis
Heraldo, Miller, you should be ashamed to show your Humboldt Watershed Council posts in public after the genocidal actions you Ken and your HWC founding buddy Bob Martel pulled against the Bear River Band’s attempt to regain their ancestral land from Palco.
You post the Indian Island vigil news but people don’t know Ken Miller’s role in the white enviro activist genocidal acts to derail the Bear River ancestral land project.
Modern genocide of tribes is done silently these days by white people denying existing tribes access to their former lands. Example was Bear River tribe’s 250 member population squeezed onto a 3.5 acre Rohnerville Rancheria site, then their current 60 acre Singley Hill site (this was before the casino was built).
We worked for over 3 years on the Bear River Heartlands Project and three prominent enviro activist leaders went way out of their way to attempt to wreck that Bear River project and Humboldt Watershed Council provided two out those three, Ken Miller and Bob Martel.
If you treat local Native Americans this way, and we already know the way you treat Palco workers throwing your weight into the Water Quality Board decisions, why should anyone listen to your anti-community, anti-Palco worker attacks on Palco? You’ve never been a friend to Palco workers ever, why pose as such now?
February 25, 2007 at 5:13 pm
Heraldo
Steve, if your internet posts are an accurate reflection of you, then you don’t need any help at failure.
Accusing HWC of genocide is just as boogymanish as accusing them of having “beady little red eyes.” Inflammatory scare tactics contribute nothing to the discussion of how to move forward now that the long-anticipated bankruptcy has arrived.
February 25, 2007 at 5:59 pm
Anonymous
I just wonder if any old member of the public will be allowed to film this event for later dissection, or whether Lovelace and his goons will haul you out for doing something so spectacular.
February 25, 2007 at 6:52 pm
Steve Lewis
The accusation stands as proof of HWC ill will towards the community putting their political anti-corporate agenda ahead of Palco workers and local Native Americans. The best scenario this group and the others cohosting this bash Palco forum would be to let a full Palco community forum discuss the Palco situation–i.e., the people directly affected by any court decisions, the workers, the local business community, not the enviro activists who are only there to further their destruction of Palco jobs.
February 25, 2007 at 6:58 pm
Steve Lewis
And Heraldo, I’d rather be a failure at my Heartlands Project any day than be Ken Miller who succeeds only in digging himself deeper into the follies of Paul Gallegos. Plus, I got a blog too like you and eric, so there! neener-neener-neener..
February 25, 2007 at 7:02 pm
mresquan
I personally cannot wait to meet Steve and Rose in person on Friday.Their appearance will certainly elevate the discussion at hand.
February 25, 2007 at 7:14 pm
Heraldo
I just wonder if any old member of the public will be allowed to film this event for later dissection, or whether Lovelace and his goons will haul you out for doing something so spectacular.
Of course cameras will be allowed, its a public event.
It’d be great if it could air on channel 12. But Arkley might put his foot down on that idea.
February 25, 2007 at 7:20 pm
Anonymous
What is Lovelace NOT an expert on? Forestry Practice, Smart Growth, CEQA, Corporate Finance and now Bankruptcy…
February 25, 2007 at 7:23 pm
Heraldo
Did you read the post, 11:20?
“The event will feature a presentation by Peter Clapp, an attorney with many years’ experience in corporate bankruptcy law.”
February 25, 2007 at 7:41 pm
Anonymous
Don’t worry, Rose will have Peter Clapp’s association with Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and, Tim Stoen and Jim Jones, and every other individual or organization standing in the way of her agenda, in detail on her blog in no time.
February 25, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Steve Lewis
Rose is our community treasure. She’s keeping track of political shenanigans pulled by this little local Gallegos cabal of Humboldt Watershed Council’s public face Mark Lovelace out in front and Ken Miller, Salzman and Shellenberger in back behind the scenes with typically for them big slimy political connections outside the community.
February 25, 2007 at 8:34 pm
Anonymous
Any time you have a corporate raider like Hurwitz you have a bankruptcy. That is always the end result after taking of a lot of cash. Palco was a cash cow just made for the likes of a raider. Plenty of retirement cash, earnings from cutting trees. More cash from the Headwaters deal. Hurwitz has taken probably all he wants and is on to the next victim. Take a look at the various companies he has bought in the past – most do not exist anymore.
February 25, 2007 at 8:42 pm
Anonymous
I WAS IMPREGNATED AT REGGAE LAST YEAR! WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT!
February 25, 2007 at 8:47 pm
Eric V. Kirk
What is Lovelace NOT an expert on? Forestry Practice, Smart Growth, CEQA, Corporate Finance and now Bankruptcy…
I bet he knows a great recipe for an artichoke/jalapeno dip!
February 26, 2007 at 12:26 am
Steve Lewis
anon 12:34, you’re about two decades late on that observation. Corporate raider liquidates assets was the rallying cry for enviros when Hurwitz bought out PL from the Murphy. Hurwitz was thought to be planning to cut up Palco after mowing down all the trees by in two or three years but he didn’t do it as expected.
He’s run the company for 20 years and run it into the ground, yes, but look at Sierra Pacific and all the other timber companies now long gone and none of them faced the constant battle in the media and courts as Palco. Hurwitz provided good paying jobs for hundreds of Humboldt citizens for years and years while Humboldt Watershed Council has provided the community with what? Ken Miller and Gallegos’ failed lawsuit against Palco that cost us how much money so far?
Sure, Hurwitz is no sweetheart but look at the real Palco employment record vs. the enviro hysterical doomsday hype accompanying it all the way through before final judgments are in.
February 26, 2007 at 1:16 am
Anonymous
Ken Miller and Gallegos’ failed lawsuit against Palco that cost us how much money so far?
Probably not a whole lot. They’ve never gotten into discovery.
February 26, 2007 at 2:37 am
Anonymous
Steve, That was really lame.
If Hurwitz had not effected a hostile takeover of Palco there would have been sustainable employment generated for a few hundred years before urbanization took over.
20 years was a corporate raid and you know it.
Be real dude or people will consider everything you say as incredible and therefore BS.
February 26, 2007 at 7:25 am
samoasoftball
Steve- Sierra Pacific long gone? Red Emmerson is the largest private land owner in the US. And just some of the Sierra Pacific mills still in operation: SPI Arcata, SPI Shasta Lake-Burney,Anderson, Lincoln, Medite Medford, Rocklin and oh, yes mills all over the lower valley. And some union ones to boot.
Any informational meeting for the Palco workers to garner information not sullied by PL propaganda should be commended not hacked up. Show up and be a positive participant.
February 26, 2007 at 3:40 pm
Steve Lewis
Samoa, if lumber mills haven’t been going out of business on the North Coast where are they all now? Where’s Eel River Sawmills now? Why paint a false picture that timber mills aren’t in trouble all over the place, not just Palco?
I’m not excusing Palco but as for this gathering of enviro vultures you want me to attend, I don’t think so. The organizers have shown themselves to be the timber worker’s enemy who’s only value to enviros is as political pawns to be exploited for further enviro-led Palco trashing.
February 26, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Rose
Samoa, you’re trading one set of propaganda for another more virulent strain, and walking right into the fox’s den.
February 26, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Anonymous
Steve:
You’ve been a defender of PALCO for years. Yes, they have been hammered by enviros but look how GE has turned public opinion around with their eco campaign. The management of PALCO is fully to blame for their rotten handling of the situation. And you are just scared because your only reason for being – defending PALCO and Maxxam – is goign wway.
February 26, 2007 at 5:29 pm
Eric V. Kirk
Well, maybe somebody who believes that PALCO’s troubles are the result of new environmental regulations, protests, and lawsuits can put together a flow-chart, with numbers. Because the numbers I’ve seen suggest that they’re a drop in the bucket.
February 26, 2007 at 7:08 pm
Steve Lewis
Hey, you all keep forgetting it has been me who’s been busy as an activist trying to solve the Maxxam ownership problem of Palco? Remember our Bear River Heartlands by any chance?
Our Heartlands Project has been the most economically feasible plan so far presented as a way to get Palco in local community ownership and do I ever get any credit let alone any help for organizing this from enviros? No. And some, like the HWC founders, have gone out of their way to sabotage our Bear River Heartlands Project, and you seriously want me to come see these enviro shark’s newest political attack vehicle, this Palco bankruptcy meeting? I don’t think so.
So, if you haven’t been able to do a damn thing about changing Palco’s ownership, I would like it if you critics would remember what I have done in years of work to get Maxxam out of the picture.
One day, some of you enviros may actually learn what the word “ecology” means. Enviros seem to think the word means “ideology”. Enviros have been trying to separate an single economic system into two warring components–workers and management/owners as per Leftist anti-corporate ideology but the separation has been a false one from the start. Not since the workers strikes in the first half of the 20th century have timber workers and management been at real odds with one another. Both have been fighting environmental regulations to keep their commercial timber system working which has united them in a common cause. Comprende? Does this register?
What enviro Lefties have done is pushed timber workers into the arms of their employers. You can’t get them back now that they know for certain you mean them ill will, costing them their jobs time and time again. And for myself, only when I hear enviro offers of interest and help for our Heartlands Project will I believe enviros capable of doing anything constructive re resolving the Palco situation in a way that really benefits the community.
February 26, 2007 at 7:34 pm
Anonymous
TRANSLATION: Only when you fall into lock step with Steve will he believe you care about the community.
February 26, 2007 at 8:09 pm
Anonymous
Steve, maybe you can just say “Heartlands” ditto. Every post is poor Steve and Heartlands. Get a life. By the way, do you work?
February 26, 2007 at 8:48 pm
Anonymous
So – Lovelace is now an expert in Chapter 11 law (as Dr. Pot is an expert in unfair business practices and the failed PL suit?) Me thinkest that the locals should consult a lawyer and not a 3rd rate political hack with no legal experience….that is unless he is going to be advising them on their legal rights and then he just might have to be referred to El Paulo for practicing law without a license….
Oh and by the way – was El Paulo granted admission to practice before the US District Court in Corpus Christie Texas before he screwed up the two hour legal proceeding by stupidly using his cell phone? Whats wrong with just going to the office if the call is so important. I guess its up to the Texas state court for him practicing law there without a license?
February 26, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Steve Lewis
Arkley, Hurwitz, Maxxam, Palco, maybe some others could use dittos too in their single-minded obsessions. As for my single-minded obsession, I put in many hours on Heartlands and am proud of my work and still think it’s the best vehicle going for bringing Palco back to community ownership. Why should I stop my activist enthusiasm for a good project? And why can’t you come up with better solutions instead of endlessly faulting someone who is at least trying?
February 26, 2007 at 10:02 pm
Heraldo
come up with better solutions instead of endlessly faulting someone who is at least trying?
Did you finally pass a mirror, Steve?
February 26, 2007 at 10:05 pm
Heraldo
12:48 – Impressive that you had the ability to read the NCJ elsewhere and complain about it here, but failed to read the post you are commenting on.
There will be a bankruptcy expert at the bankruptcy forum, and his name is Peter Clapp.
February 26, 2007 at 11:24 pm
Anonymous
Maybe Steve some of us have done enough else in our lives and we don’t have to go around blowing our own horn every chance we get. I will agree with your statement that you are “…trying.”
February 26, 2007 at 11:51 pm
Steve Lewis
There will be a bankruptcy expert hand picked by anti-Palco enviros in a discussion organized by anti-Palco enviros with a track record of zero assistance for Palco workers. Just a circling of enviro buzzards hoping to milk the anti-Palco cash and enviro career promotion cow some more.
February 27, 2007 at 12:44 am
Anonymous
The Alliance for Sustainable Jobs and the Environment isn’t just “enviros.” It includes blue collar workers and worker rights activists.
February 27, 2007 at 2:08 am
Steve Lewis
Oh sure. All two workers at the Arcata Co-op. This is Tracy’s anti-corporate Leftie org for attacking Palco workers by using such questionable tactics as bringing in United Steel Workers to work against Palco worker jobs. Replace them Palco jobs with gov’t subsidized grunt workers from Mexico and no forest product to boot. What a win-win scenario! For enviros..
February 27, 2007 at 2:56 am
Anonymous
samoa, Red’s big but I think Ted Turner is much bigger. Of little concern to affect timber workers and the extended communities. The PALCO Forum will be a sales pitch,nothing more nothing less. Workers should go to here their lies. With some slick twists they won’t be much different than PALCO’s.
February 27, 2007 at 3:58 am
Mous Anony
Holding this seminar at the Fortuna River Lodge shows a lack of class and empathy on the part of the organizers.
Do you actually think PL workers are going to come out and listen to what you have to say just because you staged this event in Fortuna? Why stop there? Why didn’t you hold the meeting at the Scotia Inn?
Mark Lovelace said,
“But if the only message environmentalists have now is ‘See, we told you so’ … we should pack up and go home.”
Are you really trying to reach out to the timber industry workers? Or are you saying “See, I told you so.”
The PL workers don’t trust you to be the knights arriving on white chargers. If this were the case, why don’t you schedule a like minded seminar at the upcoming Redwood Region Logging Conference March 15th – 17th. Why don’t you have an informational booth there where you can really reach the industry?
Why didn’t you to hold the Palco bankruptcy seminar in Eureka on neutral ground?
February 27, 2007 at 7:25 am
Eric V. Kirk
Uh, anon 7:58 – As I read you passage from Mark, he’s saying exactly the opposite of what you’re attributing to him. Did you really misunderstand that?
And if he was holding it in Arcata rather than Fortuna, you know very well what you’d be saying.
February 27, 2007 at 6:28 pm
Mous Anony
Eric,
No, I am not misunderstanding Mark’s quote. I placed it there because this seminar has the outward appearance of a “See I told you so” as opposed to a genuine olive branch offering.
If you really want to address the timber and mill workers about the future of their industry and perhaps giving them opportunity for timber industry employment, i.e., ASJE, you need to have a neutral entity speak to them. Someone they trust. Someone who speaks their language.
Do you really know what the proletarian millworker/logger is saying about environmentalists in general? Are they brainwashed by their employers? Probably so. But do you really think HWC and ASJE are going to reach them? It will take the next generation of woods workers to listen to their message. The generation still in high school. The generation that can be “educated” about a forest restoration economy vs. an extraction-based economy.
The timber industry families exodus out of the county started 20 years ago.
HWC and ASJE can revel in getting their wishes for a small restoration economy with the closing of timber companies, no doubt about that.
Why didn’t they hold informational meetings when Eel River Sawmills closed to help those workers?
Don’t rub salt into the wounds of the PL worker.
If I’m wrong….I apologize.
If I’m right….Shame on you.
These are emotional times.
HWG and ASJE, If you support the timber industry workers, attend the Redwood Region Logging Conference March 15-17th at Redwood Acres Fairgrounds
February 27, 2007 at 7:04 pm
Steve Lewis
Wise words, Mous Anony. But they’re probably falling on ears deaf to timber worker sensibilities. One has to remember that the great majority of environmental activists are single. They don’t relate to timber families and the effects of lost jobs like they should. And the enviro leadership of these organizations have their long term careers always to consider so, the chances of any of them paying attention to what might actually work to reach timber workers is slight.
Like you, I hope I’m proved wrong but I’m not holding my breath waiting to find out. I’m boycotting that enviro vulture Friday Palco bankruptcy meeting that really is another activist slap in the face to Palco workers.
February 27, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Anonymous
how do you know a “great majority” of environmentalists are single and don’t have families? You’ve been sitting in Rio Dell grumbling to yourself for the last 12 years. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
February 27, 2007 at 10:07 pm
Steve Lewis
I’ve asked around. Check it out for yourself if you don’t believe me. See how many married people with or without kids are staffing Humboldt enviro orgs.
February 27, 2007 at 10:12 pm
Steve Lewis
And if I was just grumbling to myself for 12 years, what’s your complaint? That I should be more pro-active? Maybe write letters to the editor? Or have a column in our local newspaper? Or perhaps even organize a tribe’s ancestral land reclamation project? It’s true, these are things one can do while sitting around Rio Dell.
February 28, 2007 at 1:35 am
Anonymous
maybe you should get to know the people you constantly malign.
but then again, it would undercut your arguments.
February 28, 2007 at 3:10 am
Steve Lewis
(don’t you know give that Steve Lewis character an opportunity and off he goes-lecture city..I warned ya..)
I’ve tried in the past to do that, anon 5:35. But you’ve got to understand that once you as an active show any public sign of support for “Them” in Humboldt County, that’s it-you’ve crossed the line–you’ve joined Them, you’re the enemy, and you’re black-listed.
Doesn’t matter what you’re arguments for supporting say for example as I did constructive dialog and environmental compromise between environmental activists and timber company execs. I organized a Redwood Summer action with the woman who started the first women’s shelter around the idea of this–at The Bridge, a very popular all community meeting hall and community activist library that I ran for five years in Garberville.
Being a member then for several years , I once even seriously considered running for president of EPIC in the days when it still mostly was an environmental protection information center and not the enviro-lawsuit business it is today.
You can’t be an activist in Humboldt and step outside the Leftist p.c. lines–and when I became P.L.’s environmental liaison between them and EPIC, arranging three meetings that could have made such a huge difference today…my, my,..anyway..the smears began early on which is why I’ve become hardened to them but at the price of hardening my heart towards those who stoop to the equivalent of petty high school clique behavior as adults who use politics as their socially acceptable yardstick for who’s in and who’s out.
But I’ll find a way back into the CLUB even if I have to take my sob story to OPRAH, she’ll listen, I’m sure of it.
February 28, 2007 at 3:13 am
Steve Lewis
I just talked to her. She said check the RICOH laws..
March 1, 2007 at 12:20 am
Eric V. Kirk
The purpose of the workshop is purely informative, for workers and business owners who may be creditors or have contracts with PALCO to understand the process and their rights. The agenda will be very focused. Nobody else is offering this for free.
March 1, 2007 at 1:47 am
Steve Lewis
Nobody else would be crass enough to offer job advice to the people who’s livelihoods they’ve spent decades trying to destroy.
March 1, 2007 at 2:50 am
Mous Anony
The purpose of the workshop is purely informative….to whom?
The workers and business owners are NOT going to turn to HWC and ASJE for bankruptcy creditor advice. You obviously do not know these people. Did you see the response Tony Leonardo of Leonardo Logging made to the Eureka Reporter on the bankruptcy proceedings subject?
From the Reporter:
Leonardo, whom PALCO owes $119,614, said he isn’t as worried about the money as he is about having groups such as the EPIC and politicians taking over the proceedings and turning PALCO’s lands into a park.
I see this seminar as a typical liberal idealist move. Take away their livelihood and then offer to help them up by their bootstraps by offering them government granted jobs. You think this is something new? Think Redwood Park Expansion in 1978.
And really who does all this “touchy-feely” mentality ultimately serve? Humboldt Watershed Council and The Alliance for Sustainable Jobs and The Environment. Don’t kid yourselves.
The North Coast is rife with this mentality from non-profit agencies. We’ve traded one industry for another.
I think they would be more truthful if they would offer to re-train the timber fallers into Forest Interpretive Docents where they research stories relevant to an area’s natural history or environment, and conduct nature walks, field outings, site tours and campground talks, as well as respond to information requests from the public.
“You know, Jimmy, before I had this occupation as an FID Class II …I was responsible for the clearcut devastation of these private timberlands. But through continuing eductional opportunities bestowed upon me by the WatershedAllianceKeeper and other knowledge industry groups, I know my environmental destructive ways were wrong. And with your parents help, through generous contributions, I am now a tree convolescence provider instead of a ….gasp, redwood murderer.
“No, Interpretor Dave, not you?”
Yes, Jimmy, even me. But I’ve put away my anger towards nature and turned in my Husqvarna and bar oil to the authorities and now my recovery is one day at a time. Here, have I showed you what the damage from a logger’s choker can do? Pretty ugly isn’t it Jimmy”
March 1, 2007 at 3:34 am
samoasoftball
Sorry I did not respond sooner, I have been at the Pulp Mill for 24 of the last 32 hours working.
Anonymous 6:56pm- Red passed Ted Turner a few years ago as the largest private land owner. It has been an ongoing war between the two.
Steve and Rose: I feel all information should be free flowing from Palco to Environmentalists. The workers need to take all information and decide on the truth. It might not be the truth through Steve Lewis’ or Rose eyes, but each individual must be respected to have their own opinion or “Free Choice.”
Steve, I respect your views and read your opinions and sometimes question your agenda. Looking through these past comments on this thread and I become confused.
When I organized for the union, I told workers to garner all information that the companies would put out. I let the workers rebut the companies propaganda in their own words. I impowered individuals to answer back. Workers at PL have not been afforded this chance. Don’t hinder the workers chance for a voice or an avenue for information.
You PL workers out there! Be there at the River Lodge in Fortuna this Friday night!
March 1, 2007 at 3:17 pm
Steve Lewis
Wrong people organizing this event, Samoa. That’s all. I understand your support for Palco workers but this enviro sponsored deal sends the wrong message out to Palco workers.
March 1, 2007 at 3:19 pm
Steve Lewis
If enviros really wanted to help Palco workers they would be helping our Heartlands Project which would put the workers in charge of their own company.
March 1, 2007 at 5:24 pm
Eric V. Kirk
It’s simply information. Those who attend can make use of it, or not. But Mark has been consulting a bankruptcy attorney, and that attorney will be present to explain the process and provide free information. Whether these organizations are the “right” organizations to be offering this opportunity, nobody else is doing it.
It has nothing to do with “touchy-feely,” nor Heartlands, nor nature walks. It’s basically a free legal consult.
March 1, 2007 at 6:31 pm
Mous Anony
Right wing conspiracy theories, you have to admit, are as colorful as left wing conspiracy theories.
March 1, 2007 at 10:03 pm
Steve Lewis
If Lovelace and HWC had been sincere, they would have made an effort to get Palco representation at the meeting. Again, the wrong people are organizing this. It just looks like more of the same gang of anti-Palco activists trying to look like what they are not and never have been–on the side of Palco workers.
March 1, 2007 at 10:13 pm
Eric V. Kirk
Sincere about what? They’re providing information to people who are in an adversarial position with PALCO. Mark has said that PALCO is welcome, but this isn’t a debate forum. It’s an informational meeting for people who want to protect themselves from PALCO’s reorganization.
March 2, 2007 at 12:54 am
Steve Lewis
I thought this was for Palco workers. Now it’s not?
March 2, 2007 at 1:39 am
Eric V. Kirk
It’s for anybody who is a creditor, or who has a contract with PALCO, including its workers.
March 2, 2007 at 6:43 am
Anonymous
Just curious; Where does anyone get the idea that the “enviros” want to stop all logging? I’d be interested in seeing some source for that assertion.
March 2, 2007 at 12:11 pm
Steve Lewis
So the conference wants to protect Palco workers from any Palco “reorganization”? And how is this strategy is beneficial to Palco workers?