A fair question. I did with hesitation support the invasion of Afghanistan, and I’m not certain it was the right decision. In retrospect I think it was of vital importance to push Iraq out of Kuwait, though I opposed the action at the time. I would have supported the WWII effort.
I think I would support international military intervention in Darfur. I have to agree with Eric Reeves as he expressed it in Dissent Magazine. It’s happening again.
We have seen all of this—or at least we might have. Certainly all the international actors of consequence know what is occurring in Darfur—and have responded weakly and irresolutely. As a direct consequence, what long ago became primarily “genocide by attrition” will continue indefinitely. Hundreds of thousands of people will die among the almost four million human beings the UN now defines as “conflict-affected” and in need of humanitarian assistance.
That Darfur’s genocide has been so conspicuously visible, and has generated so little willingness to undertake international action, makes for its own terrible history lesson—and casts a grim retrospective light on international failures to prevent genocide over the past century.
In truth, I haven’t followed the story – mostly because I find it overwhelming and it makes the Mateel/PP feud, the Arkley wars, and even the recent election battle for the Senate seem exercises in futility. It’ll resolve itself in a decade or so, and once again we’ll all scream “never again” knowing that we don’t really mean it.

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November 27, 2006 at 7:30 am
Hank Sims
What about Bosnia/Kosovo?
November 27, 2006 at 7:37 am
ED Denson
Is it conceivable that a military action can be conducted which is not a war? Truman called Korea a police action, but that wasn’t true I don’t think. Still, if the aim in Darfur was to help one side or another seize territory, or win, then military action seems a poor plan. But if the aim is to prevent armed conflict and leave the parties to settle things peacefully, perhaps military action is a good plan. Well, morally good. Whether it is politically good is harder to say.
I suppose if possible you could weigh the costs in money and civilian casulties, property loss etc. If possible.
November 27, 2006 at 7:42 am
Hank Sims
Ed: You could make the argument that that’s what’s being attempted right now in Iraq.
The “leave the parties to settle things peacefully” part is the hard part, I think.
November 27, 2006 at 9:47 am
Anonymous
Isn’t it peculiar that the Iraq casualties are consistently referred to as occurring due to as terror attacks when most of the killing is now a civil war between rival religious factions? There’s a little terror going on now, but mostly it’s civil war. What exactly is the US military doing there now except patrolling a few tiny (and yet still dangerous) zones?
November 27, 2006 at 3:37 pm
ED Denson
Hank: You could make that arguement about Iraq, but we are the wrong army to be trying to bring peace there because of our involvement in creating the current conditions. A UN peace force perhaps, with us not participating in it, might have some moral authority (in my eyes, not clear about iraqi eyes). The problem with the peace forces so far is that they don’t enforce the peace, they monitor it. History is full of ethnic and religious differences which have been suppressed by governments. The communists seem to have been good at it, as were the colonialists. But when those suppressing powers fail, the old problems erupt into the power vacuum. I think the US could be seen as successful at suppressing, or transcending, many of the probems that cause wars elsewhere. We have no religious strife, and despite percistent low level racism, little racial strife. What’s our secret? I don’t think its democracy, as Bush proclaims.
November 27, 2006 at 4:12 pm
Anonymous
No worries. Iraq has asked for Iran’s help in quelling the violence. How embarrassing for us.
November 27, 2006 at 4:20 pm
Eric V. Kirk
What about Bosnia/Kosovo?
I knew a woman in law school who was of Bosnian descent and had family over there. Though she wasn’t Muslim, her family was and she was pretty freaked out when she lost contact with them. I came to support the idea of military intervention pretty early on. Ironically, I kind of bought into the Republican line that air strikes alone wouldn’t produce results and some sort of ground force was needed. I and those Republicans turned out to be wrong about that.
November 27, 2006 at 5:08 pm
Anonymous
Iraq is a nation created in the aftermath World War I which has no reason to exist otherwise. Only a dictator can hold something like this together and the best solution is to let it separate like Yugoslavia.
The fact that the Darfur conflict has not generated intervention, which I support, shows how racist western society still is. If this were white folks killing each other, like the Balkins, there would be all sorts of intervention, but since it is black folks, well, what more needs to be said…
November 27, 2006 at 6:16 pm
Anonymous
Hmmm. Yes. We the white folks are guilty of the genocide in Africa. Hmmm. The people who actually do the killing are blameless. Why? Because they are non-white? Isn’t that, how shall I say it, “racism?”
November 27, 2006 at 6:27 pm
Eric V. Kirk
Boy, I’ve scoured my post and all the comments for some hint of blaming “white people” for the Darfur genocide. I don’t even see that “white people” were mentioned. Defensive are we?
November 27, 2006 at 6:40 pm
Anonymous
If you want intervention in Darfur, you better either be in uniform, or have a family member who is. Don’t you dare ask some kid
from Cincinnati or Bend or Trenton
to go do
what you wouldn’t do, or wouldn’t
urge your own family to do.
November 27, 2006 at 6:52 pm
Eric V. Kirk
Does that apply to support for the Iraq war or any other of the many “adventures” we’ve initiated over the years?
November 27, 2006 at 7:03 pm
Anonymous
The President initiates, the Congress confirms. If you don’t like were our military is, vote the bums out. The fact I may not be in uniform today, as I was in the past, does not mean I can’t support intervention in Darfur.
November 27, 2006 at 7:20 pm
Anonymous
90% of incumbents get re-elected. Money controls the message and re-districting controls the vote.
November 27, 2006 at 7:27 pm
Anonymous
Then the re-districting process needs reform, doesn’t it?
November 27, 2006 at 8:21 pm
Anonymous
I have a dream: 4 million dead Africans.
November 27, 2006 at 8:32 pm
Eric V. Kirk
Yeah anon 12:21, that’s some funny stuff.
November 27, 2006 at 9:13 pm
Anonymous
Anon – 12:21 – It’s nice the Klan is so well represented on your blog, Eric.
November 28, 2006 at 12:42 am
Anonymous
Eric, yes, if you support a war, you better be ready to have your
own dear ones serve.
And yes, one overstated. If you
were in service, you have put it on the line and have earned the right to a respected opinion.
Obviously one cannot serve forever. But those who serve never
have no right to demand
that someone else bleed.
November 28, 2006 at 3:11 am
Greg
The dish installer for our internet company turned out to be a retired Army Major (intelligence) who just got called back after 18 years. He had retired in 1988. He chuckled because he got a good financial package, being as he is over 60 and they couldn’t actually command him to return. He named his price, and they agreed: Big salary, Disability Insurance and a large Life Insurance policy. “The military doesn’t know”, he said. “I had a stroke nine years ago”. He will be in Afghanistan for 90 days, then Iraq for 90 days, then the balance of two years in other locations. Sixty-three, fatalistic, tough, smart–if he lives through it he has a retirement and if not, his wife is set.
November 28, 2006 at 5:41 am
Anonymous
Erwic, you’re being your smug, elitist, AH self again.
November 28, 2006 at 6:13 am
Anonymous
Anonymous said…
Iraq is a nation created in the aftermath World War I which has no reason to exist otherwise. Only a dictator can hold something like this together and the best solution is to let it separate like Yugoslavia.
The fact that the Darfur conflict has not generated intervention, which I support, shows how racist western society still is. If this were white folks killing each other, like the Balkins, there would be all sorts of intervention, but since it is black folks, well, what more needs to be said…
9:08 AM
Anonymous said…
Hmmm. Yes. We the white folks are guilty of the genocide in Africa. Hmmm. The people who actually do the killing are blameless. Why? Because they are non-white? Isn’t that, how shall I say it, “racism?”
10:16 AM
Eric V. Kirk said…
Boy, I’ve scoured my post and all the comments for some hint of blaming “white people” for the Darfur genocide. I don’t even see that “white people” were mentioned. Defensive are we?
10:27 AM
>>>>>> DEAR ERIC, I copied and pasted the three entries above to show you that the blaming of white people for the mess in Darfur really did occur in comments on your Blog. Read the first entry, and you will see why I wrote MY entry ( the second of the three ).
Maybe you did a search on “white people” and in doing so missed the reference in the first entry pasted above for “white folks.”
By the way, to the poster of that first message, it took YEARS of work to make the powers that be interfere with the genocide in the Kosovo region.
Back to you, Eric, having read all these pertinent comments, I presume you are willing to recant your Defensiveness comment?
November 28, 2006 at 6:47 am
Eric V. Kirk
And yes, one overstated. If you
were in service, you have put it on the line and have earned the right to a respected opinion.
Obviously one cannot serve forever. But those who serve never
have no right to demand
that someone else bleed.
So Cheney for instance, he has no right to support the war?
Erwic, you’re being your smug, elitist, AH self again.
Did I ever stop?
ack to you, Eric, having read all these pertinent comments, I presume you are willing to recant your Defensiveness comment?
Well, the reference to “white folks” was about double standards in the outrage or lack thereof. For instance, we were more than willing to act to defend Bosnians from Serbs (except for the lunatic right who objected to siding with Muslims against Christians). But it does not blame the Darfur killings on white men.
November 28, 2006 at 1:23 pm
Anonymous
If all else fails; mediation, litagation,strangulation of the mateelnation – would you support armed intervention in the ROTR conflict?
How can anyone give a shitte about DarfurKosovoNoKoAfganIraq when there’s sooo much money at stake right here in river city.
November 28, 2006 at 4:49 pm
Anonymous
Q. What do you call 4 million dead Africans?
A. A good start.
November 28, 2006 at 5:52 pm
Anonymous
Eric, when you’re right your’re ! You never have stopped being a smug elitist asshole.
November 28, 2006 at 6:29 pm
Anonymous
9:52 couldn’t have said it better myself!
November 28, 2006 at 10:26 pm
Anonymous
Back to you, Eric, having read all these pertinent comments, I presume you are willing to recant your Defensiveness comment?
Well, the reference to “white folks” was about double standards in the outrage or lack thereof. For instance, we were more than willing to act to defend Bosnians from Serbs (except for the lunatic right who objected to siding with Muslims against Christians). But it does not blame the Darfur killings on white men.
Well, Eric, for a smart guy, you certainly managed to avoid understanding the point.
The accusation I was refuting was that genocide in Darfur is being ignored by (white) America because its victims are black. NOT that the black people in Darfur are being killed by white people.
And I will repeat the fact that it took YEARS of hard work to approve, organize and implement the military action that stabilized the Kosovo region and ended the slaughter/genocide. It DID NOT occur suddenly because the people there were white. That assertion is a patently untrue version of events. The only motivation I can think of for this lie is racial animus toward white people.
November 28, 2006 at 11:47 pm
Eric V. Kirk
Well, no, I’m certain that if the Darfur victims were white we’d have been in there months ago. We wouldn’t stand for it. White on white genocidal violence has to be stopped, while black on black violence is just one of those hard facts of life. Darfur has been in the
Look at posts 12:21 and 8:49 if you don’t think that kind of racism is at work.
As for the time factor, there’s nothing in the works. We’re overextended.
And given that it’s most likely that all of the posters here are white, the “animus” point seems a bit silly.
November 29, 2006 at 3:47 pm
Anonymous
What! We don’t have an non/white ghetto of our very own here in Humboldt? Guess we’ll just have to make the most of the lineup at ROTR.
November 29, 2006 at 4:26 pm
Eric V. Kirk
I certainly hope you have a day job.
November 29, 2006 at 4:30 pm
Anonymous
Erik, are you implying that us niggers are too stupid to know how to blog or too poor to own a computer?
November 29, 2006 at 7:06 pm
Eric V. Kirk
Uh, yeah anonymous. That was my point.
December 3, 2006 at 2:43 am
Anonymous
I wonder how many Americans in 2006 know who “Bull Connor”was.
Has Gallup checked this?